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190. I disagree strongly. This election is not about Trump/Clinton/Sanders/Stein. This election is ...

Thu Jul 26, 2018, 06:45 PM

Jul 2018

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about getting a working Congress. No matter who else might have won the election we didn't have a good Congress for either a President Clinton or a President Sanders.

I am not going to discuss this any further with you for two reasons: it is against the ToS here to refight the 2016 Primaries, and most important of all: the 2018 elections are not about 2016. Its about getting a real working Democratic Congress. Period.

I am also sick and tired about about the constant hair pulling about Clinton/Sanders. The problem right this very fucking second is cheetolini. Its a distraction and I bet there are going to be Russian trolls pushing the fight over Sanders/Clinton to divide us from the goal of getting real working Democratic local and state legislators and a real working Democratic national Congress.

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Can we put it to rest that Hillary was a "bad candidate" [View all] edhopper Jul 2018 OP

K & R Iliyah Jul 2018 #1

Aye. Best-qualified candidate to come along in a generation. n/t Mister Ed Jul 2018 #2

No doubt in my mind. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #3

Yes she was lunamagica Jul 2018 #7

"Best qualified" does not mean "good politician" Loki Liesmith Jul 2018 #180

Well, it took interference by the Russians to "Beat" her dawg day Jul 2018 #211

And, yet Hillary Still Beats BS in this 2020 Presidential Poll Cha Jul 2018 #289

I would argue that - on their records - either Al Gore or John Kerry were at least equal karynnj Jul 2018 #207

Yes! There isn't a person I know who could have had the courage she did to Ninga Jul 2018 #4

Witness the calm and wits with which she handled the marathon congressional grilling. maddiemom Jul 2018 #137

More like she won by 19million based on new information of uncounted votes. onit2day Jul 2018 #146

John Kerry - since 1971 has been a right wing target karynnj Jul 2018 #208

Kerry was never in a position to be attacked as regularly as HRC was. StevieM Jul 2018 #293

You must be younger than I am karynnj Jul 2018 #314

"How can you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be betsuni Jul 2018 #318

I realize he has a long history in public life. I just don't think it was quite as public as StevieM Jul 2018 #320

Obviously Hillary was more prominent karynnj Jul 2018 #358

Good recap. IdealsAndReal42 Aug 2019 #380

Hear hear! #trumpillegitimatePresident. #HillaryWon #TheElectionWasStolen lunamagica Jul 2018 #5

The two are not mutually exclusive... brooklynite Jul 2018 #6

Correct. She would have beaten a much weaker candidate (Trump) were it not for Russia Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #9

I was one of her most stalwart supporters on this board. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #15

True edhopper Jul 2018 #22

Life is unfair DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #25

unfortunately true edhopper Jul 2018 #28

She did indeed win the popular vote, by a wide margin Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #78

I don't see what other voters see, I guess. LisaM Jul 2018 #186

I agree edhopper Jul 2018 #188

So do I. I feel the same about Reagan. calimary Jul 2018 #197

What Presidential candidate can you recall in the past 3 decades who had any charisma and brains politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2018 #166

You can be the most qualified person in the world for a job but you have to get the job to do it. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #168

2016 was weird in its celebration of the angry white man- he was coddled and worshipped and got high bettyellen Jul 2018 #183

Our candidates are held to higher standards. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #184

Or the speeches she gave to Goldman Sachs leftofcool Jul 2018 #209

They were triggered by the combo of the black President potentially being succeeded by a female stevenleser Jul 2018 #284

Agreed Sherman A1 Jul 2018 #246

So if she wasn't Barak Obama edhopper Jul 2018 #11

My personal favorite: "Yes, but she was a FLAWED candidate." EffieBlack Jul 2018 #43

+1 spooky3 Jul 2018 #122

But running against the most FLAWED man edhopper Jul 2018 #125

If the job was to beat Donald Trump, then she was a bad candidate. MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #148

SHE didn't fail EffieBlack Jul 2018 #155

Yet you've admitted that nearly 66,000,000 of us put her over the top by 3m+ votes. MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #173

Totally with you on that, Effie. calimary Jul 2018 #201

Those who have an Agenda insist it's all Hillary's Cha Jul 2018 #238

He job apparantly edhopper Jul 2018 #178

The Election was Stolen from us, genius. Cha Jul 2018 #237

She ran a good enough campaign to win a decisive victory had it not been for Comey's intervention. StevieM Jul 2018 #360

They WILL NEVER LET GO Cha Jul 2018 #227

Completely disagree Cosmocat Jul 2018 #24

Never went to Wisconsin exboyfil Jul 2018 #58

Her appearance there was cancelled- do you know why? No one talks about that... bettyellen Jul 2018 #98

And the vote still would have been suppressed edhopper Jul 2018 #100

And the first thing Trump did after Comey reopened the investigation was CANCEL an appearance StevieM Jul 2018 #135

She took the Midwest for granted TheRealNorth Jul 2018 #145

Yes elleng Jul 2018 #177

And, Hillary stills Beats BS in this 2020 Presidential Poll And Cha Jul 2018 #257

I think that's a fair way to look at it. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #203

She spent more money in advertising, and had larger ground operations, in WI and MI than Obama did StevieM Jul 2018 #295

+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #300

+1 edhopper Jul 2018 #301

Hillary admitted as much... woulda, coulda, shoulda. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #306

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2018 #124

Well if you're not running to win the votes of voters, why are you running? MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #147

the argument seems to be any candidate that lost is by definition a bad candidate. unblock Jul 2018 #35

Great post! I ompletely agree lunamagica Jul 2018 #47

#this The_Counsel Jul 2018 #97

Thank you-- thucythucy Jul 2018 #107

Do you have to reply with all those facts? /Sarcasm uponit7771 Jul 2018 #109

sometimes i take a break from just posting snark unblock Jul 2018 #111

Thank you. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #156

As someone who worked the Phones and Door Knocked in the Last month, Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #160

++++++++ NastyRiffraff Jul 2018 #174

WELL DONE, unblock! A BLAST of REALITY for Cha Jul 2018 #231

Quite the allegation. LanternWaste Jul 2018 #41

The strategic errors were presented to me by two State Party Chairs... brooklynite Jul 2018 #112

Yup. Agschmid Jul 2018 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Jul 2018 #104

What ... FACTUAL...strategic errors? uponit7771 Jul 2018 #106

... brooklynite Jul 2018 #255

Oh and Bullshit. brooklynite.. there were other Cha Jul 2018 #228

Agreed, BUT... brooklynite Jul 2018 #254

Hillary had a massive rally in PA edhopper Jul 2018 #261

Rallies are inconsequential except for revving up voters you already have brooklynite Jul 2018 #267

But I constantly hear edhopper Jul 2018 #268

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, right? nt EffieBlack Jul 2018 #270

Hell yes edhopper Jul 2018 #272

Getting a smaller % of the female vote than President Obama's didn't help... MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #362

And, yet this Female is Beating BS in a 2020 Presidential Poll Cha Jul 2018 #363

You blame her for white woman being idiots edhopper Jul 2018 #365

When certain candidates lose, it's everyone else's fault but theirs EffieBlack Jul 2018 #366

Thanks for clearing that up edhopper Jul 2018 #369

I'm not suggesting that at all. But am suggesting that a 1%er doesn't need us peons defending her. MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #373

It's more like setting the record straight on why edhopper Jul 2018 #374

Like nails on a blackboard to me. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #8

So, stop bringing it up. bitterross Jul 2018 #10

The more info that comes up edhopper Jul 2018 #14

Exactly. Let's keep bringing it up. Don't let anyone silence you lunamagica Jul 2018 #52

The truth must be screamed from the rooftops. lunamagica Jul 2018 #50

Can you Believe that Cha Jul 2018 #233

It is baffling, Cha. But we will NOT be silenced! lunamagica Jul 2018 #280

they just can't handle that Cha Jul 2018 #288

So sez you, bitterross.. We'll Bloody Well Discuss whatever Cha Jul 2018 #232

Fine. Dwell in the past. bitterross Jul 2018 #260

JHC.. NO one is "dwelling".. we're having Cha Jul 2018 #263

Discuss the Russian ATTACK on us all you wish. It should be shouted from the hills. bitterross Jul 2018 #265

Millions of People LOVE Hillary! She's in 2nd Place in this 2020 Presidential POll Cha Jul 2018 #266

I put it to rest two years ago, and generally ignore those who say otherwise...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #12

Obviously, you can not. lol. nt BootinUp Jul 2018 #13

I can't put to rest that people ignore what happen edhopper Jul 2018 #16

thanks for deciding that for us . . . DrDan Jul 2018 #17

And winning by 3 million votes, edhopper Jul 2018 #20

don't put words in my mouth, please DrDan Jul 2018 #36

Then I don't know edhopper Jul 2018 #44

I don't bring this topic up, but she... aikoaiko Jul 2018 #131

I've always thought she did a very good job running for president. Chemisse Jul 2018 #18

Agreed Cosmocat Jul 2018 #26

If you eliminate Comey and the FBI from the election she would have won in a landslide. (eom) StevieM Jul 2018 #129

Cultivated and then exploited pandr32 Jul 2018 #142

Great candidate unfortunately dragging thirty years of wingnut mythology behind her. Orsino Jul 2018 #19

There is only one type of person who continues to make that claim. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #21

YES. YES. YES. brush Jul 2018 #71

Well, a very dear friend of mine thucythucy Jul 2018 #113

This is why edhopper Jul 2018 #120

I hear you. thucythucy Jul 2018 #218

Sanders volunteer and Clinton voter. SusanaMontana41 Jul 2018 #243

Me too!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #309

As long as we can put it to rest that it was the "radical left" that cause the loss pecosbob Jul 2018 #23

+1 PDittie Jul 2018 #176

She was not a bad candidate ... Whiskeytide Jul 2018 #27

She would never get the GOP voters edhopper Jul 2018 #29

That's true... Whiskeytide Jul 2018 #55

She was such a great candidate, we failed to work hard enough for her. Paladin Jul 2018 #30

Lot of truth in that, as painful as it is. It was a political "Perfect Storm." Hoyt Jul 2018 #127

I don't even remember anything that she particularly did wrong Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #31

Please! EffieBlack Jul 2018 #32

She was better than most candidates we've had gollygee Jul 2018 #33

she was neither qazplm135 Jul 2018 #40

Why perpetuate myths? MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #67

Because they aren't myths?? qazplm135 Jul 2018 #85

People are continuing to make conclusions without facts the back on uponit7771 Jul 2018 #117

In light of the facts that have come out, it is indeed a myth to blame R B Garr Jul 2018 #133

I didn't "blame" anyone for anything qazplm135 Jul 2018 #149

Its a very recognizable pattern--disregard what is R B Garr Jul 2018 #172

she was a decent candidate qazplm135 Jul 2018 #202

You are comparing her edhopper Jul 2018 #205

Obama is in a class of his own. Gore would have been R B Garr Jul 2018 #206

I worked hard for Hillary, after I voted for Bernie in the primary (PA, btw). maddiemom Jul 2018 #140

She didn't make enough for choices to lose, that's not factual uponit7771 Jul 2018 #115

I disagree. The race was not winnable. James Comey made sure of that. StevieM Jul 2018 #134

If not Comey qazplm135 Jul 2018 #151

I don't agree at all. If you take out Comey from the race, from start to finish, then you eliminate StevieM Jul 2018 #154

no you don't qazplm135 Jul 2018 #164

What poor choices? mcar Jul 2018 #138

it's not nonsense qazplm135 Jul 2018 #150

Seriously mcar Jul 2018 #159

wow qazplm135 Jul 2018 #162

The Iraq war is the only one you've got kcr Jul 2018 #281

Anti-corporation environment? betsuni Jul 2018 #296

Fair summary... still infinitely better than the Traitor-in-Chief. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #308

if Bernie had won the primaries NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #34

Exactly! EffieBlack Jul 2018 #271

Bernie also edhopper Jul 2018 #273

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #283

I was Team Hillary all the way qazplm135 Jul 2018 #37

Good analysis but you left one out FakeNoose Jul 2018 #61

+1 BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #163

#2 sunk us. Unforced error. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #357

Compared to baggage of other candidates edhopper Jul 2018 #364

If it weren't the server, they'd have found something else to blow out of proportion EffieBlack Jul 2018 #367

exactly edhopper Jul 2018 #370

Yes, agree she was a great candidate however she had some campaign issues and she would admit it. honest.abe Jul 2018 #38

She could have controlled the email controversy exboyfil Jul 2018 #64

Her predecessers did the same edhopper Jul 2018 #69

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2018 #73

Hindsight, clearly it was a poor decision but I think I understand why she did it. honest.abe Jul 2018 #83

the fact that it's not a real scandal should is a clue to why this wouldn't have worked. unblock Jul 2018 #101

It's like the Clinton Foundation edhopper Jul 2018 #116

exactly. unblock Jul 2018 #136

Thank you uponit7771 Jul 2018 #123

Beautifully said EffieBlack Jul 2018 #371

This statement isn't even close to reality, there are GOP Senators with private email accounts uponit7771 Jul 2018 #118

Where are the Congressional investigations edhopper Jul 2018 #121

All Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans. Autumn Jul 2018 #356

Funny how her server was the ONLY one not hacked EffieBlack Jul 2018 #372

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #375

Yes we can mcar Jul 2018 #39

Absolutely! In a free and fair election .. ananda Jul 2018 #42

What's the purpose of this OP other than to rile things up? KPN Jul 2018 #45

The purpose edhopper Jul 2018 #48

Does anyone disagree with that here? I don't know that I've seen any argument to the contrary. KPN Jul 2018 #53

some on this thread do edhopper Jul 2018 #63

How does this post put anything to rest? Dream Girl Jul 2018 #223

It obviously doesn't edhopper Jul 2018 #250

Yes. Never thought it was correct. Justice Jul 2018 #46

I agree. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #49

The Comey announcement and the media focus on her emails mythology Jul 2018 #51

She was a troubled candidate, but only because the right waged a 25 year smear campaign against her. Afromania Jul 2018 #54

She did make herself vulnerable though exboyfil Jul 2018 #60

its funny how that only sticks to her tho. Afromania Jul 2018 #75

That should be one of the first things the House does exboyfil Jul 2018 #79

Can we just stop fighting about the 2016 election and move onto the next one? Initech Jul 2018 #56

Those who forget History... edhopper Jul 2018 #66

I was referring to the Hillary Vs Bernie fighting. Initech Jul 2018 #93

Copy that edhopper Jul 2018 #96

I have always loved and respected Hillary. Never understood the meanness toward her. byronius Jul 2018 #59

The reoccurring debates about Hillary sure do get old. TryLogic Jul 2018 #62

Can we put to rest the 2016 election? HopeAgain Jul 2018 #65

No edhopper Jul 2018 #68

Man do you just want a fight? HopeAgain Jul 2018 #77

No edhopper Jul 2018 #82

Sorry HopeAgain Jul 2018 #89

And that is why I wrote this OP edhopper Jul 2018 #92

It was always a convenient go to line for some in M$M who didn't want to acknowledge what a iluvtennis Jul 2018 #70

She was an excellent candidate. cate94 Jul 2018 #72

For Sure DownriverDem Jul 2018 #74

Nope Kentonio Jul 2018 #76

Yes DownriverDem Jul 2018 #169

Compared to Trump? Kentonio Jul 2018 #224

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #80

The "third term" jinx -- it's very rare that the same party wins 3 presidential terms in a row progree Jul 2018 #81

But we know Gore won edhopper Jul 2018 #86

Yup, I'll edit my post n/t progree Jul 2018 #88

Hell yes wryter2000 Jul 2018 #84

YES! hurple Jul 2018 #87

As an ardent Bernie supporter here... berni_mccoy Jul 2018 #90

This is still an issue for some? blue-wave Jul 2018 #91

I don't think leaving the 2000 election behind helped us edhopper Jul 2018 #95

I know Hillary can't just get it back if we can marlakay Jul 2018 #94

She told the truth (especially about Trump being Putin's puppet) luvtheGWN Jul 2018 #99

And, she was right about the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY, and we let them drown her out. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #108

Hillary Clinton was not a bad candidate Gothmog Jul 2018 #102

ah! but if she had gotten 90% of the votes they could not have swayed the election.. drray23 Jul 2018 #103

She IS my president bc "I'M WITH HER". Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #105

We could agree that Hillary was randr Jul 2018 #110

Putin is a BAD MAN. He hates Clinton for objecting to ethnic cleansing in Serbia McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #114

It was never a question for me. I never entertained the possibility that she was. ancianita Jul 2018 #119

Hillary would have been an outstanding President. RedSpartan Jul 2018 #126

The terrible campaigner won all three debates. StevieM Jul 2018 #130

Formal debates and policy discussion is one thing. RedSpartan Jul 2018 #139

I actually don't like to focus too much on Putin and Russia, or the popular vote win. StevieM Jul 2018 #143

You're totally correct and even she said this at one point. RedSpartan Jul 2018 #153

I think it is hard to have "it" when confronted with the things she is faced with. StevieM Jul 2018 #158

Trump has usurped the office of the Presidency Moral Compass Jul 2018 #128

YES! Long past time. maddiemom Jul 2018 #132

I agree n/t dajoki Jul 2018 #141

I voted for her a month early & she would have been a solid President but she hasn't been popular Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #144

Things aren't mutually exclusive wonkwest Jul 2018 #152

I agree with your assessment 100% Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #157

Just because you two didn't like Hillary the Candidate Doesn't Cha Jul 2018 #226

Millions Love Hillary.. just because you didn't doesn't Cha Jul 2018 #225

Oh, is she the President? wonkwest Jul 2018 #274

It. WAS. STOLEN. FROM. HER lunamagica Jul 2018 #278

That Poster Is In Cha Jul 2018 #287

Are you completely unaware edhopper Jul 2018 #282

No wonkwest Jul 2018 #290

reality is edhopper Jul 2018 #298

Hillary's BEATS BS in this 2020 Presidential Poll and she Cha Jul 2018 #286

Uhm, I don't even want Sanders to run wonkwest Jul 2018 #291

You're the only one talking about the damn "primaries". Cha Jul 2018 #292

Just to be clear, the post you are responding to was extremely positive toward Hillary Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #322

Uh, NO.. you need to read again.. carefully. Cha Jul 2018 #323

Just read it again. Still think it was mostly supportive Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #324

And, it was Wrong. Cha Jul 2018 #328

Wrong and a bit passive-aggressive, in my opinion. betsuni Jul 2018 #329

Oh yeah, I got it.. of course the Cha Jul 2018 #331

"Extremely positive" betsuni Jul 2018 #332

I knew that was coming! Cha Jul 2018 #334

It never ends. betsuni Jul 2018 #335

It's pretty well known polls showed she was not that popular (posters main point) Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #337

Again, Hillary did not decide to run in 2016. betsuni Jul 2018 #340

".. zero tolerance for any Hillary introspection Cha Jul 2018 #344

I think Soros and David Brock should pay us overtime. betsuni Jul 2018 #345

LOL.. Oh yes the imaginary Cha Jul 2018 #346

Obviously, extremely positive posts about Democrats on a site for Democrats betsuni Jul 2018 #347

Yeah we get gaslighted every which way.. who do we believe.. Cha Jul 2018 #348

P.S. I've seen that Cha Jul 2018 #350

Black or white literal thinking. betsuni Jul 2018 #351

We're Deluged with IT! Cha Jul 2018 #359

You were NOT paying attention.. enough with the Cha Jul 2018 #343

There weren't "massive negatives." betsuni Jul 2018 #325

Exactly, betsuni.. Thank You! And, Hillary is still Beating BS Cha Jul 2018 #330

How embarrassing that liberal elites are doing so well in the 2020 Presidential Poll! betsuni Jul 2018 #333

Oh yes.. the ol "liberal elites" beating Cha Jul 2018 #336

Her favorability was at 31% Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #338

In 2016, after the propaganda attacks. betsuni Jul 2018 #339

Obama has had just as many attacks but fairs much better Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #341

From now on Hillary's popularity will increase, she'll poll better and better. betsuni Jul 2018 #342

Her favorability rate in August 2014 was 58%. betsuni Jul 2018 #326

She had high and consistent polling negatives Spider Jerusalem Jul 2018 #161

After reading thru this whole thread i say here and now bluestarone Jul 2018 #165

that's what i'm saying. barbtries Jul 2018 #167

The problem with elections is.... suston96 Jul 2018 #170

I can't put something to rest Ferrets are Cool Jul 2018 #171

She was sane and businesslike. trumpy was a circus show act. demigoddess Jul 2018 #175

I could also add edhopper Jul 2018 #179

Favorite Democratic nominee of my lifetime Awsi Dooger Jul 2018 #181

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #182

Can we put this issue to bed either way until we get the 2018 election over with? Please? marble falls Jul 2018 #185

This issue edhopper Jul 2018 #187

I disagree strongly. This election is not about Trump/Clinton/Sanders/Stein. This election is ... marble falls Jul 2018 #190

The election edhopper Jul 2018 #193

Thats stupid. Do you think getting rid of Trump will whip Mike Pence and the GOP into line... marble falls Jul 2018 #217

This "issue", marble falls is REALITY that the Election Cha Jul 2018 #234

How about we stop arguing about 2016? liberalnarb Jul 2018 #189

Right on the point!!!!!! +100000% marble falls Jul 2018 #191

The way we ignored what Bush and the GOP had done edhopper Jul 2018 #194

Our problem in 2010 was that we DIDNT focus on the midterms. liberalnarb Jul 2018 #221

Do you mean what bush and the gop did in 2000? Cha Jul 2018 #236

I mean we ignored edhopper Jul 2018 #249

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #204

Hillary WON.. And we WILL Discuss it.. Cha Jul 2018 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author liberalnarb Jul 2018 #244

Hillary was the BEST candidate onetexan Jul 2018 #192

I may be going out on a limb here PDittie Jul 2018 #195

"a status quo candidate in a change cycle" EffieBlack Jul 2018 #210

Whoo boy. We used to call that flame-bait. MGKrebs Jul 2018 #196

Then why is it edhopper Jul 2018 #198

HELLO WISCONSIN!!!!!! Indepatriot Jul 2018 #199

Hello Voter Supression edhopper Jul 2018 #200

Hello Russ Feingold! Cha Jul 2018 #245

k&r n/t lordsummerisle Jul 2018 #212

Best, most qualified candidate since FDR samir.g Jul 2018 #213

The Clintons played on the ethical edges. kwassa Jul 2018 #214

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2018 #215

One comment: rephrase... sharedvalues Jul 2018 #216

The minority Party The Wizard Jul 2018 #219

Actually NO Sparko55 Jul 2018 #220

Hillary was a Great Candidate! Oh and btw.. why did Cha Jul 2018 #240

During September & October I kept hoping I would see hard attacks populistdriven Jul 2018 #222

Hindsight is so easy EffieBlack Jul 2018 #247

Yes, and now we know that Don did something Hillary couldn't populistdriven Jul 2018 #264

No, we cannot... regnaD kciN Jul 2018 #229

You "rationalize" it any way you want, regnaD.. Cha Jul 2018 #239

She wasn't the one that was weak. The idiots believing all the propaganda, the misogynists, MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #269

If Bernie had been the nominee, the Russians would have stood down, Trump would have behaved, EffieBlack Jul 2018 #275

Bingo Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #299

She was a candidate that the right had 30 years to smear quakerboy Jul 2018 #230

Regardless of what kind of candidate she was DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #241

I volunteered for Sanders. Voted for President Hillary Clinton. SusanaMontana41 Jul 2018 #242

Joe Scarborough was an early and vocal proponent of the "bad candidate" narrative. lapucelle Jul 2018 #248

2016 was Comey's election, from start to finish. (eom) StevieM Jul 2018 #294

It's never going to be put to rest as long as OPs like this keep showing up. Kaleva Jul 2018 #251

Good! edhopper Jul 2018 #252

Exactly. the_sly_pig Jul 2018 #258

It should never be put to rest lunamagica Jul 2018 #279

I have changed my signature line. edhopper Jul 2018 #253

.. Cha Jul 2018 #259

:) edhopper Jul 2018 #262

k&r ehrnst Jul 2018 #256

To be fair, we don't have the whole picture yet. And we won't for a long while. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #276

I think it is far to say edhopper Jul 2018 #277

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #285

In that order. Comey was by far the most important factor IMO. He repeatedly damaged her with StevieM Jul 2018 #297

Have there been any "bad" Democratic Presidential candidates in the past 50 years? jalan48 Jul 2018 #302

Dukakis wasn't very good edhopper Jul 2018 #303

I have to agree about Dukakis. I think it's easier to be more objective after jalan48 Jul 2018 #305

I was frustrated with John Kerry. betsuni Jul 2018 #310

I really liked Kerry and thought he was the right person for the times. It was hard to see him jalan48 Jul 2018 #313

I remember the extremely long lines at polls even after dark and thinking, "Uh oh." betsuni Jul 2018 #315

Remember Karl Rove edhopper Jul 2018 #316

Dead giveaway! betsuni Jul 2018 #317

Funny how there was a shortage of polling places in predominantly Democratic districts. jalan48 Jul 2018 #319

Talking point of Hillary as flawed/bad candidate is pathetic. betsuni Jul 2018 #304

That scenario about Trump edhopper Jul 2018 #307

It's absurd. betsuni Jul 2018 #311

HRC won the damn election! democratisphere Jul 2018 #312

Saying Hillary was a bad candidate EffieBlack Jul 2018 #321

Excellent! betsuni Jul 2018 #327

Mahalo, Effie.. and Thank You, Stephanie Jones and Cha Jul 2018 #349

People have a tendency to want to focus on just one thing as the cause of something MichMan Jul 2018 #352

The email system wasn't a "blunder." EffieBlack Jul 2018 #368

The only thing I think could have rainy Jul 2018 #353

Yes, the media didn't cover it. edhopper Jul 2018 #354

Hillary was a very well qualified candidate empedocles Jul 2018 #355

Boink. Scurrilous Jul 2018 #361

She did as well as anyone could have against Trump and in this situation... vi5 Jul 2018 #376

Hillary & Avenatti in 2020! dlk Jul 2018 #377

Here are the reasons why Clinton lost Gothmog Jul 2018 #378

+1000 edhopper Jul 2018 #379