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EffieBlack

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247. Hindsight is so easy

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 08:37 AM

Jul 2018

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Nothing that armchair experts who weren't involved in the campaign and don'y know a fraction of what Hillary and her team knew are saying she should have done instead is guaranteed to have brought her one single additional bottom line vote more than she actually got - and if she had done any of those things and still didn't win, we'd be hearing all about how it was a strategic mistake to do THOSE things and if only she hadn't done them, the outcome would definitely have been different.

For example, I can only imagine the reaction if she had called him a creepy stalker onstage. She would have been attacked for letting him rattle her, for not focusing on the issues but pulling focus on to personalities. "She should have just IGNORED him! If she had just stayed focused on her message and what she was trying to say, she would have made him look stupid and he would have stopped. This was a MISTAKE."

The second-guessing is ridiculous.

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Can we put it to rest that Hillary was a "bad candidate" [View all] edhopper Jul 2018 OP

K & R Iliyah Jul 2018 #1

Aye. Best-qualified candidate to come along in a generation. n/t Mister Ed Jul 2018 #2

No doubt in my mind. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #3

Yes she was lunamagica Jul 2018 #7

"Best qualified" does not mean "good politician" Loki Liesmith Jul 2018 #180

Well, it took interference by the Russians to "Beat" her dawg day Jul 2018 #211

And, yet Hillary Still Beats BS in this 2020 Presidential Poll Cha Jul 2018 #289

I would argue that - on their records - either Al Gore or John Kerry were at least equal karynnj Jul 2018 #207

Yes! There isn't a person I know who could have had the courage she did to Ninga Jul 2018 #4

Witness the calm and wits with which she handled the marathon congressional grilling. maddiemom Jul 2018 #137

More like she won by 19million based on new information of uncounted votes. onit2day Jul 2018 #146

John Kerry - since 1971 has been a right wing target karynnj Jul 2018 #208

Kerry was never in a position to be attacked as regularly as HRC was. StevieM Jul 2018 #293

You must be younger than I am karynnj Jul 2018 #314

"How can you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be betsuni Jul 2018 #318

I realize he has a long history in public life. I just don't think it was quite as public as StevieM Jul 2018 #320

Obviously Hillary was more prominent karynnj Jul 2018 #358

Good recap. IdealsAndReal42 Aug 2019 #380

Hear hear! #trumpillegitimatePresident. #HillaryWon #TheElectionWasStolen lunamagica Jul 2018 #5

The two are not mutually exclusive... brooklynite Jul 2018 #6

Correct. She would have beaten a much weaker candidate (Trump) were it not for Russia Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #9

I was one of her most stalwart supporters on this board. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #15

True edhopper Jul 2018 #22

Life is unfair DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #25

unfortunately true edhopper Jul 2018 #28

She did indeed win the popular vote, by a wide margin Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #78

I don't see what other voters see, I guess. LisaM Jul 2018 #186

I agree edhopper Jul 2018 #188

So do I. I feel the same about Reagan. calimary Jul 2018 #197

What Presidential candidate can you recall in the past 3 decades who had any charisma and brains politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2018 #166

You can be the most qualified person in the world for a job but you have to get the job to do it. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #168

2016 was weird in its celebration of the angry white man- he was coddled and worshipped and got high bettyellen Jul 2018 #183

Our candidates are held to higher standards. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #184

Or the speeches she gave to Goldman Sachs leftofcool Jul 2018 #209

They were triggered by the combo of the black President potentially being succeeded by a female stevenleser Jul 2018 #284

Agreed Sherman A1 Jul 2018 #246

So if she wasn't Barak Obama edhopper Jul 2018 #11

My personal favorite: "Yes, but she was a FLAWED candidate." EffieBlack Jul 2018 #43

+1 spooky3 Jul 2018 #122

But running against the most FLAWED man edhopper Jul 2018 #125

If the job was to beat Donald Trump, then she was a bad candidate. MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #148

SHE didn't fail EffieBlack Jul 2018 #155

Yet you've admitted that nearly 66,000,000 of us put her over the top by 3m+ votes. MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #173

Totally with you on that, Effie. calimary Jul 2018 #201

Those who have an Agenda insist it's all Hillary's Cha Jul 2018 #238

He job apparantly edhopper Jul 2018 #178

The Election was Stolen from us, genius. Cha Jul 2018 #237

She ran a good enough campaign to win a decisive victory had it not been for Comey's intervention. StevieM Jul 2018 #360

They WILL NEVER LET GO Cha Jul 2018 #227

Completely disagree Cosmocat Jul 2018 #24

Never went to Wisconsin exboyfil Jul 2018 #58

Her appearance there was cancelled- do you know why? No one talks about that... bettyellen Jul 2018 #98

And the vote still would have been suppressed edhopper Jul 2018 #100

And the first thing Trump did after Comey reopened the investigation was CANCEL an appearance StevieM Jul 2018 #135

She took the Midwest for granted TheRealNorth Jul 2018 #145

Yes elleng Jul 2018 #177

And, Hillary stills Beats BS in this 2020 Presidential Poll And Cha Jul 2018 #257

I think that's a fair way to look at it. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #203

She spent more money in advertising, and had larger ground operations, in WI and MI than Obama did StevieM Jul 2018 #295

+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #300

+1 edhopper Jul 2018 #301

Hillary admitted as much... woulda, coulda, shoulda. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #306

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2018 #124

Well if you're not running to win the votes of voters, why are you running? MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #147

the argument seems to be any candidate that lost is by definition a bad candidate. unblock Jul 2018 #35

Great post! I ompletely agree lunamagica Jul 2018 #47

#this The_Counsel Jul 2018 #97

Thank you-- thucythucy Jul 2018 #107

Do you have to reply with all those facts? /Sarcasm uponit7771 Jul 2018 #109

sometimes i take a break from just posting snark unblock Jul 2018 #111

Thank you. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #156

As someone who worked the Phones and Door Knocked in the Last month, Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #160

++++++++ NastyRiffraff Jul 2018 #174

WELL DONE, unblock! A BLAST of REALITY for Cha Jul 2018 #231

Quite the allegation. LanternWaste Jul 2018 #41

The strategic errors were presented to me by two State Party Chairs... brooklynite Jul 2018 #112

Yup. Agschmid Jul 2018 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Jul 2018 #104

What ... FACTUAL...strategic errors? uponit7771 Jul 2018 #106

... brooklynite Jul 2018 #255

Oh and Bullshit. brooklynite.. there were other Cha Jul 2018 #228

Agreed, BUT... brooklynite Jul 2018 #254

Hillary had a massive rally in PA edhopper Jul 2018 #261

Rallies are inconsequential except for revving up voters you already have brooklynite Jul 2018 #267

But I constantly hear edhopper Jul 2018 #268

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, right? nt EffieBlack Jul 2018 #270

Hell yes edhopper Jul 2018 #272

Getting a smaller % of the female vote than President Obama's didn't help... MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #362

And, yet this Female is Beating BS in a 2020 Presidential Poll Cha Jul 2018 #363

You blame her for white woman being idiots edhopper Jul 2018 #365

When certain candidates lose, it's everyone else's fault but theirs EffieBlack Jul 2018 #366

Thanks for clearing that up edhopper Jul 2018 #369

I'm not suggesting that at all. But am suggesting that a 1%er doesn't need us peons defending her. MadDAsHell Jul 2018 #373

It's more like setting the record straight on why edhopper Jul 2018 #374

Like nails on a blackboard to me. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #8

So, stop bringing it up. bitterross Jul 2018 #10

The more info that comes up edhopper Jul 2018 #14

Exactly. Let's keep bringing it up. Don't let anyone silence you lunamagica Jul 2018 #52

The truth must be screamed from the rooftops. lunamagica Jul 2018 #50

Can you Believe that Cha Jul 2018 #233

It is baffling, Cha. But we will NOT be silenced! lunamagica Jul 2018 #280

they just can't handle that Cha Jul 2018 #288

So sez you, bitterross.. We'll Bloody Well Discuss whatever Cha Jul 2018 #232

Fine. Dwell in the past. bitterross Jul 2018 #260

JHC.. NO one is "dwelling".. we're having Cha Jul 2018 #263

Discuss the Russian ATTACK on us all you wish. It should be shouted from the hills. bitterross Jul 2018 #265

Millions of People LOVE Hillary! She's in 2nd Place in this 2020 Presidential POll Cha Jul 2018 #266

I put it to rest two years ago, and generally ignore those who say otherwise...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #12

Obviously, you can not. lol. nt BootinUp Jul 2018 #13

I can't put to rest that people ignore what happen edhopper Jul 2018 #16

thanks for deciding that for us . . . DrDan Jul 2018 #17

And winning by 3 million votes, edhopper Jul 2018 #20

don't put words in my mouth, please DrDan Jul 2018 #36

Then I don't know edhopper Jul 2018 #44

I don't bring this topic up, but she... aikoaiko Jul 2018 #131

I've always thought she did a very good job running for president. Chemisse Jul 2018 #18

Agreed Cosmocat Jul 2018 #26

If you eliminate Comey and the FBI from the election she would have won in a landslide. (eom) StevieM Jul 2018 #129

Cultivated and then exploited pandr32 Jul 2018 #142

Great candidate unfortunately dragging thirty years of wingnut mythology behind her. Orsino Jul 2018 #19

There is only one type of person who continues to make that claim. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #21

YES. YES. YES. brush Jul 2018 #71

Well, a very dear friend of mine thucythucy Jul 2018 #113

This is why edhopper Jul 2018 #120

I hear you. thucythucy Jul 2018 #218

Sanders volunteer and Clinton voter. SusanaMontana41 Jul 2018 #243

Me too!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #309

As long as we can put it to rest that it was the "radical left" that cause the loss pecosbob Jul 2018 #23

+1 PDittie Jul 2018 #176

She was not a bad candidate ... Whiskeytide Jul 2018 #27

She would never get the GOP voters edhopper Jul 2018 #29

That's true... Whiskeytide Jul 2018 #55

She was such a great candidate, we failed to work hard enough for her. Paladin Jul 2018 #30

Lot of truth in that, as painful as it is. It was a political "Perfect Storm." Hoyt Jul 2018 #127

I don't even remember anything that she particularly did wrong Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #31

Please! EffieBlack Jul 2018 #32

She was better than most candidates we've had gollygee Jul 2018 #33

she was neither qazplm135 Jul 2018 #40

Why perpetuate myths? MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #67

Because they aren't myths?? qazplm135 Jul 2018 #85

People are continuing to make conclusions without facts the back on uponit7771 Jul 2018 #117

In light of the facts that have come out, it is indeed a myth to blame R B Garr Jul 2018 #133

I didn't "blame" anyone for anything qazplm135 Jul 2018 #149

Its a very recognizable pattern--disregard what is R B Garr Jul 2018 #172

she was a decent candidate qazplm135 Jul 2018 #202

You are comparing her edhopper Jul 2018 #205

Obama is in a class of his own. Gore would have been R B Garr Jul 2018 #206

I worked hard for Hillary, after I voted for Bernie in the primary (PA, btw). maddiemom Jul 2018 #140

She didn't make enough for choices to lose, that's not factual uponit7771 Jul 2018 #115

I disagree. The race was not winnable. James Comey made sure of that. StevieM Jul 2018 #134

If not Comey qazplm135 Jul 2018 #151

I don't agree at all. If you take out Comey from the race, from start to finish, then you eliminate StevieM Jul 2018 #154

no you don't qazplm135 Jul 2018 #164

What poor choices? mcar Jul 2018 #138

it's not nonsense qazplm135 Jul 2018 #150

Seriously mcar Jul 2018 #159

wow qazplm135 Jul 2018 #162

The Iraq war is the only one you've got kcr Jul 2018 #281

Anti-corporation environment? betsuni Jul 2018 #296

Fair summary... still infinitely better than the Traitor-in-Chief. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #308

if Bernie had won the primaries NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #34

Exactly! EffieBlack Jul 2018 #271

Bernie also edhopper Jul 2018 #273

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #283

I was Team Hillary all the way qazplm135 Jul 2018 #37

Good analysis but you left one out FakeNoose Jul 2018 #61

+1 BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #163

#2 sunk us. Unforced error. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #357

Compared to baggage of other candidates edhopper Jul 2018 #364

If it weren't the server, they'd have found something else to blow out of proportion EffieBlack Jul 2018 #367

exactly edhopper Jul 2018 #370

Yes, agree she was a great candidate however she had some campaign issues and she would admit it. honest.abe Jul 2018 #38

She could have controlled the email controversy exboyfil Jul 2018 #64

Her predecessers did the same edhopper Jul 2018 #69

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2018 #73

Hindsight, clearly it was a poor decision but I think I understand why she did it. honest.abe Jul 2018 #83

the fact that it's not a real scandal should is a clue to why this wouldn't have worked. unblock Jul 2018 #101

It's like the Clinton Foundation edhopper Jul 2018 #116

exactly. unblock Jul 2018 #136

Thank you uponit7771 Jul 2018 #123

Beautifully said EffieBlack Jul 2018 #371

This statement isn't even close to reality, there are GOP Senators with private email accounts uponit7771 Jul 2018 #118

Where are the Congressional investigations edhopper Jul 2018 #121

All Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans. Autumn Jul 2018 #356

Funny how her server was the ONLY one not hacked EffieBlack Jul 2018 #372

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #375

Yes we can mcar Jul 2018 #39

Absolutely! In a free and fair election .. ananda Jul 2018 #42

What's the purpose of this OP other than to rile things up? KPN Jul 2018 #45

The purpose edhopper Jul 2018 #48

Does anyone disagree with that here? I don't know that I've seen any argument to the contrary. KPN Jul 2018 #53

some on this thread do edhopper Jul 2018 #63

How does this post put anything to rest? Dream Girl Jul 2018 #223

It obviously doesn't edhopper Jul 2018 #250

Yes. Never thought it was correct. Justice Jul 2018 #46

I agree. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #49

The Comey announcement and the media focus on her emails mythology Jul 2018 #51

She was a troubled candidate, but only because the right waged a 25 year smear campaign against her. Afromania Jul 2018 #54

She did make herself vulnerable though exboyfil Jul 2018 #60

its funny how that only sticks to her tho. Afromania Jul 2018 #75

That should be one of the first things the House does exboyfil Jul 2018 #79

Can we just stop fighting about the 2016 election and move onto the next one? Initech Jul 2018 #56

Those who forget History... edhopper Jul 2018 #66

I was referring to the Hillary Vs Bernie fighting. Initech Jul 2018 #93

Copy that edhopper Jul 2018 #96

I have always loved and respected Hillary. Never understood the meanness toward her. byronius Jul 2018 #59

The reoccurring debates about Hillary sure do get old. TryLogic Jul 2018 #62

Can we put to rest the 2016 election? HopeAgain Jul 2018 #65

No edhopper Jul 2018 #68

Man do you just want a fight? HopeAgain Jul 2018 #77

No edhopper Jul 2018 #82

Sorry HopeAgain Jul 2018 #89

And that is why I wrote this OP edhopper Jul 2018 #92

It was always a convenient go to line for some in M$M who didn't want to acknowledge what a iluvtennis Jul 2018 #70

She was an excellent candidate. cate94 Jul 2018 #72

For Sure DownriverDem Jul 2018 #74

Nope Kentonio Jul 2018 #76

Yes DownriverDem Jul 2018 #169

Compared to Trump? Kentonio Jul 2018 #224

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #80

The "third term" jinx -- it's very rare that the same party wins 3 presidential terms in a row progree Jul 2018 #81

But we know Gore won edhopper Jul 2018 #86

Yup, I'll edit my post n/t progree Jul 2018 #88

Hell yes wryter2000 Jul 2018 #84

YES! hurple Jul 2018 #87

As an ardent Bernie supporter here... berni_mccoy Jul 2018 #90

This is still an issue for some? blue-wave Jul 2018 #91

I don't think leaving the 2000 election behind helped us edhopper Jul 2018 #95

I know Hillary can't just get it back if we can marlakay Jul 2018 #94

She told the truth (especially about Trump being Putin's puppet) luvtheGWN Jul 2018 #99

And, she was right about the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY, and we let them drown her out. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #108

Hillary Clinton was not a bad candidate Gothmog Jul 2018 #102

ah! but if she had gotten 90% of the votes they could not have swayed the election.. drray23 Jul 2018 #103

She IS my president bc "I'M WITH HER". Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #105

We could agree that Hillary was randr Jul 2018 #110

Putin is a BAD MAN. He hates Clinton for objecting to ethnic cleansing in Serbia McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #114

It was never a question for me. I never entertained the possibility that she was. ancianita Jul 2018 #119

Hillary would have been an outstanding President. RedSpartan Jul 2018 #126

The terrible campaigner won all three debates. StevieM Jul 2018 #130

Formal debates and policy discussion is one thing. RedSpartan Jul 2018 #139

I actually don't like to focus too much on Putin and Russia, or the popular vote win. StevieM Jul 2018 #143

You're totally correct and even she said this at one point. RedSpartan Jul 2018 #153

I think it is hard to have "it" when confronted with the things she is faced with. StevieM Jul 2018 #158

Trump has usurped the office of the Presidency Moral Compass Jul 2018 #128

YES! Long past time. maddiemom Jul 2018 #132

I agree n/t dajoki Jul 2018 #141

I voted for her a month early & she would have been a solid President but she hasn't been popular Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #144

Things aren't mutually exclusive wonkwest Jul 2018 #152

I agree with your assessment 100% Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #157

Just because you two didn't like Hillary the Candidate Doesn't Cha Jul 2018 #226

Millions Love Hillary.. just because you didn't doesn't Cha Jul 2018 #225

Oh, is she the President? wonkwest Jul 2018 #274

It. WAS. STOLEN. FROM. HER lunamagica Jul 2018 #278

That Poster Is In Cha Jul 2018 #287

Are you completely unaware edhopper Jul 2018 #282

No wonkwest Jul 2018 #290

reality is edhopper Jul 2018 #298

Hillary's BEATS BS in this 2020 Presidential Poll and she Cha Jul 2018 #286

Uhm, I don't even want Sanders to run wonkwest Jul 2018 #291

You're the only one talking about the damn "primaries". Cha Jul 2018 #292

Just to be clear, the post you are responding to was extremely positive toward Hillary Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #322

Uh, NO.. you need to read again.. carefully. Cha Jul 2018 #323

Just read it again. Still think it was mostly supportive Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #324

And, it was Wrong. Cha Jul 2018 #328

Wrong and a bit passive-aggressive, in my opinion. betsuni Jul 2018 #329

Oh yeah, I got it.. of course the Cha Jul 2018 #331

"Extremely positive" betsuni Jul 2018 #332

I knew that was coming! Cha Jul 2018 #334

It never ends. betsuni Jul 2018 #335

It's pretty well known polls showed she was not that popular (posters main point) Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #337

Again, Hillary did not decide to run in 2016. betsuni Jul 2018 #340

".. zero tolerance for any Hillary introspection Cha Jul 2018 #344

I think Soros and David Brock should pay us overtime. betsuni Jul 2018 #345

LOL.. Oh yes the imaginary Cha Jul 2018 #346

Obviously, extremely positive posts about Democrats on a site for Democrats betsuni Jul 2018 #347

Yeah we get gaslighted every which way.. who do we believe.. Cha Jul 2018 #348

P.S. I've seen that Cha Jul 2018 #350

Black or white literal thinking. betsuni Jul 2018 #351

We're Deluged with IT! Cha Jul 2018 #359

You were NOT paying attention.. enough with the Cha Jul 2018 #343

There weren't "massive negatives." betsuni Jul 2018 #325

Exactly, betsuni.. Thank You! And, Hillary is still Beating BS Cha Jul 2018 #330

How embarrassing that liberal elites are doing so well in the 2020 Presidential Poll! betsuni Jul 2018 #333

Oh yes.. the ol "liberal elites" beating Cha Jul 2018 #336

Her favorability was at 31% Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #338

In 2016, after the propaganda attacks. betsuni Jul 2018 #339

Obama has had just as many attacks but fairs much better Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #341

From now on Hillary's popularity will increase, she'll poll better and better. betsuni Jul 2018 #342

Her favorability rate in August 2014 was 58%. betsuni Jul 2018 #326

She had high and consistent polling negatives Spider Jerusalem Jul 2018 #161

After reading thru this whole thread i say here and now bluestarone Jul 2018 #165

that's what i'm saying. barbtries Jul 2018 #167

The problem with elections is.... suston96 Jul 2018 #170

I can't put something to rest Ferrets are Cool Jul 2018 #171

She was sane and businesslike. trumpy was a circus show act. demigoddess Jul 2018 #175

I could also add edhopper Jul 2018 #179

Favorite Democratic nominee of my lifetime Awsi Dooger Jul 2018 #181

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #182

Can we put this issue to bed either way until we get the 2018 election over with? Please? marble falls Jul 2018 #185

This issue edhopper Jul 2018 #187

I disagree strongly. This election is not about Trump/Clinton/Sanders/Stein. This election is ... marble falls Jul 2018 #190

The election edhopper Jul 2018 #193

Thats stupid. Do you think getting rid of Trump will whip Mike Pence and the GOP into line... marble falls Jul 2018 #217

This "issue", marble falls is REALITY that the Election Cha Jul 2018 #234

How about we stop arguing about 2016? liberalnarb Jul 2018 #189

Right on the point!!!!!! +100000% marble falls Jul 2018 #191

The way we ignored what Bush and the GOP had done edhopper Jul 2018 #194

Our problem in 2010 was that we DIDNT focus on the midterms. liberalnarb Jul 2018 #221

Do you mean what bush and the gop did in 2000? Cha Jul 2018 #236

I mean we ignored edhopper Jul 2018 #249

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #204

Hillary WON.. And we WILL Discuss it.. Cha Jul 2018 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author liberalnarb Jul 2018 #244

Hillary was the BEST candidate onetexan Jul 2018 #192

I may be going out on a limb here PDittie Jul 2018 #195

"a status quo candidate in a change cycle" EffieBlack Jul 2018 #210

Whoo boy. We used to call that flame-bait. MGKrebs Jul 2018 #196

Then why is it edhopper Jul 2018 #198

HELLO WISCONSIN!!!!!! Indepatriot Jul 2018 #199

Hello Voter Supression edhopper Jul 2018 #200

Hello Russ Feingold! Cha Jul 2018 #245

k&r n/t lordsummerisle Jul 2018 #212

Best, most qualified candidate since FDR samir.g Jul 2018 #213

The Clintons played on the ethical edges. kwassa Jul 2018 #214

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2018 #215

One comment: rephrase... sharedvalues Jul 2018 #216

The minority Party The Wizard Jul 2018 #219

Actually NO Sparko55 Jul 2018 #220

Hillary was a Great Candidate! Oh and btw.. why did Cha Jul 2018 #240

During September & October I kept hoping I would see hard attacks populistdriven Jul 2018 #222

Hindsight is so easy EffieBlack Jul 2018 #247

Yes, and now we know that Don did something Hillary couldn't populistdriven Jul 2018 #264

No, we cannot... regnaD kciN Jul 2018 #229

You "rationalize" it any way you want, regnaD.. Cha Jul 2018 #239

She wasn't the one that was weak. The idiots believing all the propaganda, the misogynists, MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #269

If Bernie had been the nominee, the Russians would have stood down, Trump would have behaved, EffieBlack Jul 2018 #275

Bingo Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #299

She was a candidate that the right had 30 years to smear quakerboy Jul 2018 #230

Regardless of what kind of candidate she was DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #241

I volunteered for Sanders. Voted for President Hillary Clinton. SusanaMontana41 Jul 2018 #242

Joe Scarborough was an early and vocal proponent of the "bad candidate" narrative. lapucelle Jul 2018 #248

2016 was Comey's election, from start to finish. (eom) StevieM Jul 2018 #294

It's never going to be put to rest as long as OPs like this keep showing up. Kaleva Jul 2018 #251

Good! edhopper Jul 2018 #252

Exactly. the_sly_pig Jul 2018 #258

It should never be put to rest lunamagica Jul 2018 #279

I have changed my signature line. edhopper Jul 2018 #253

.. Cha Jul 2018 #259

:) edhopper Jul 2018 #262

k&r ehrnst Jul 2018 #256

To be fair, we don't have the whole picture yet. And we won't for a long while. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #276

I think it is far to say edhopper Jul 2018 #277

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #285

In that order. Comey was by far the most important factor IMO. He repeatedly damaged her with StevieM Jul 2018 #297

Have there been any "bad" Democratic Presidential candidates in the past 50 years? jalan48 Jul 2018 #302

Dukakis wasn't very good edhopper Jul 2018 #303

I have to agree about Dukakis. I think it's easier to be more objective after jalan48 Jul 2018 #305

I was frustrated with John Kerry. betsuni Jul 2018 #310

I really liked Kerry and thought he was the right person for the times. It was hard to see him jalan48 Jul 2018 #313

I remember the extremely long lines at polls even after dark and thinking, "Uh oh." betsuni Jul 2018 #315

Remember Karl Rove edhopper Jul 2018 #316

Dead giveaway! betsuni Jul 2018 #317

Funny how there was a shortage of polling places in predominantly Democratic districts. jalan48 Jul 2018 #319

Talking point of Hillary as flawed/bad candidate is pathetic. betsuni Jul 2018 #304

That scenario about Trump edhopper Jul 2018 #307

It's absurd. betsuni Jul 2018 #311

HRC won the damn election! democratisphere Jul 2018 #312

Saying Hillary was a bad candidate EffieBlack Jul 2018 #321

Excellent! betsuni Jul 2018 #327

Mahalo, Effie.. and Thank You, Stephanie Jones and Cha Jul 2018 #349

People have a tendency to want to focus on just one thing as the cause of something MichMan Jul 2018 #352

The email system wasn't a "blunder." EffieBlack Jul 2018 #368

The only thing I think could have rainy Jul 2018 #353

Yes, the media didn't cover it. edhopper Jul 2018 #354

Hillary was a very well qualified candidate empedocles Jul 2018 #355

Boink. Scurrilous Jul 2018 #361

She did as well as anyone could have against Trump and in this situation... vi5 Jul 2018 #376

Hillary & Avenatti in 2020! dlk Jul 2018 #377

Here are the reasons why Clinton lost Gothmog Jul 2018 #378

+1000 edhopper Jul 2018 #379