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baldguy

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13. In NY every dog requires a license.

Reply to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:10 PM

Jan 2012

And you should know that every dog, not properly trained, is capable of being dangerous. EVERY DOG.

Also, How would you determine what defines a "Pit Bull"? A miniscule number of pure-bred AKC registered APBTs, ASTs and SBTs are responsible for any injuries to humans. The dogs which do cause problems are mixes and crossbreeds.

THE MOST RELIABLE DETERMINING FACTOR IN ATTACKS BY CANINES IS THE LACK OF TRAINING GIVEN TO THE DOG BY IT'S OWNERS. [BIG]NOT THE BREED!!![/BIG]

If you're worried about "dangerous" dogs, BSLs are not a solution. The reason is that such laws target the wrong thing, are based on unfounded fears & misinformed hype by the media & so exasperate the problems they attempt to solve.

Better to require training & certification for all dog owners.

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Should large potentially dangerous dog breeds such as Pit Bulls and Presa Canarios require a license [View all] Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 OP

absolutely! DrDan Jan 2012 #1

better yet, a license to live. And they should be hard to obtain.Very hard. comipinko Jan 2012 #2

absolutely, and that is the least that should be done quinnox Jan 2012 #3

Breed bans are the most extreme form of stupidity there is. baldguy Jan 2012 #16

What do you know--you and I agree on something for once. TheWraith Jan 2012 #22

So it's okay if people are maimed or killed. randome Jan 2012 #74

Banning particular breeds doesn't work, because that's not the problem. baldguy Jan 2012 #75

And when they refuse... randome Jan 2012 #76

People would miss sesame seeds Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #79

Hmmm. randome Jan 2012 #85

Are you saying every dog of a certain size should be banned? uppityperson Jan 2012 #117

The morons will move on to the next breed du jour MattBaggins Jan 2012 #172

WRONG! THat is the biggest lie promulgated by promoters of these breeds. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #130

Links? baldguy Jan 2012 #134

in 2011 there where 14 people killed by dogs in the US rdking647 Jan 2012 #144

How many were injured? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #146

how many where killed or injured riding a bicycle? rdking647 Jan 2012 #151

Can bicycles run off and maim another person? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #157

Give Stephen King a few months and a typewriter MattBaggins Jan 2012 #173

That is not "naked truth" MattBaggins Jan 2012 #171

Just Happened In Chicago ProfessorGAC Jan 2012 #18

wow quinnox Jan 2012 #21

Not true. intheflow Jan 2012 #71

any link to substantiate that? (an objective link, that is) nt DrDan Jan 2012 #136

National Canine Research Council baldguy Jan 2012 #139

from your site DrDan Jan 2012 #145

Quote the full paragraph, rather than misrepresenting the paper by cherry-picking one sentence. baldguy Jan 2012 #152

done - why must you ALWAYS resort to insults? DrDan Jan 2012 #154

What insult? From your post it's obvious you didn't read the paper. baldguy Jan 2012 #155

agree - the ban is the best solution DrDan Jan 2012 #36

Here we go again. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #4

How about large potentially dangerous human breeds? izquierdista Jan 2012 #5

Agreed Mr Dixon Jan 2012 #9

Yes, Cesar Milan is a good representative of the average dog owner. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #11

The similarities are eery. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #10

What does a classic red herring have to do with the question? HuckleB Jan 2012 #43

Sadly it's illegal to spay and nueter those breeds. Marrah_G Jan 2012 #64

Spay and neuter illegal? Please explain. roody Jan 2012 #77

They were talking about banning certain human beings who tend towards violence. donheld Jan 2012 #135

It was a joke.......... Marrah_G Jan 2012 #150

Worst dog attack I ever saw was a poodle. n/t ScreamingMeemie Jan 2012 #6

Mandatory spay and neuter would be a good start---for all dogs. roody Jan 2012 #7

So you're in favor of the extinction of the species? 11 Bravo Jan 2012 #8

Oh noes! procon Jan 2012 #12

In NY every dog requires a license. baldguy Jan 2012 #13

Perhaps it would be best done by weight. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #15

But you would require a well-trained 100lb dog to be licensed, but not a 10lb killer? baldguy Jan 2012 #19

So you don't accept the fact that larger dogs can potentially do a lot more damage? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #25

An untrained, poorly trained or maliceously trained dog can & will do more damage baldguy Jan 2012 #29

Who's arguing against that? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #34

You're basing your standards on things that have no bearing on the problem: breed or size. baldguy Jan 2012 #42

Poor training plus large size is a greater danger. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #44

Either way, both issues cause unnecessary doctor visits. HuckleB Jan 2012 #46

ANY inproperly trained dog is a danger & can kill. baldguy Jan 2012 #55

How many family members were lost to the Yorkie? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #56

Silky, not a Yorkie. They're different breeds. baldguy Jan 2012 #61

So incredibly poor training resulted in minor injuries for with that breed? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #78

in 2008 a jack russel terrier killed someone rdking647 Jan 2012 #148

Hence the reasons many dog fighting rings features poodles and yorkies...? LanternWaste Jan 2012 #69

That probably has more to do with the human perception that size matters. intheflow Jan 2012 #72

There are many breeds larger than Pit Bulls that are not used in dog fights normally. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #80

Also usually much harder to get than pit bulls. intheflow Jan 2012 #83

So the answer is to make Pit Bulls harder to get? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #87

Nice straw man. intheflow Jan 2012 #133

I was not the one that claimed Irish Wolf Hounds are not used in dog fighting because they are hard Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #138

They are not the breed du jour MattBaggins Jan 2012 #174

Size does indeed matter Marrah_G Jan 2012 #66

I talked about my dogs downthread XemaSab Jan 2012 #20

What do you think the damage would look like if the 105lb dog attacked? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #26

I think any of my dogs could kill a person XemaSab Jan 2012 #33

Would there be no differences in time needed? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #37

And this is how the legend of the "vicious killer Pit Bull" has come about. baldguy Jan 2012 #49

This one was trained to hate trampolines. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #51

And "vicious killer Pit Bull" stories circulate around & around & around. This story is 3 yrs old. baldguy Jan 2012 #58

So you would agree that a license and training may have helped this pet owner? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #60

I've already said as much. baldguy Jan 2012 #62

Sure, along with German Shepherds, Rottweilers and a few others. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #81

The only words for that are stupid & insane. baldguy Jan 2012 #95

Until you have another method to assure that people are trained to train the dogs, then licensing Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #96

And in NY every dog needs to have a license. baldguy Jan 2012 #98

So you agree that licensing is the correct response? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #101

I disagree vehemently with breed-specific laws. baldguy Jan 2012 #104

so you view licenses as punishment. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #113

5132771 <- my dog's NYS Dept of Agriculture & Markets license number. baldguy Jan 2012 #116

so NYS licenses require a specific test or class? NT Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #123

No. But the city animal shelter where requires that their animals (dogs & cats) all to be nuetered. baldguy Jan 2012 #126

So it really is a tax and not a license. NT Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #128

I think it's as much an issue of temperament as size XemaSab Jan 2012 #57

Goldens can deliver a bite lapislzi Jan 2012 #53

I don't know sorefeet Jan 2012 #14

All dogs are *potentially* dangerous XemaSab Jan 2012 #17

My girls aren't even "potentially" dangerous HillWilliam Jan 2012 #89

Training should be required for owners of pit bulls Kingofalldems Jan 2012 #23

That's just blatant breedism. pintobean Jan 2012 #28

OK any bull dog breed. Kingofalldems Jan 2012 #32

pintobean Jan 2012 #35

My Pit Bull can't play tug-o-war for shit. baldguy Jan 2012 #30

Thats a good thing Marrah_G Jan 2012 #68

Training should be required for **ALL** dog owners HillWilliam Jan 2012 #92

No more so than any other breed of dog. And yes, that is breedism. uppityperson Jan 2012 #118

the fact that larger dogs trend to be more dangerous Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #124

Yet the argument is not about larger dogs but pit bulls. There are dogs much larger than pits. uppityperson Jan 2012 #125

I said I was very open to expanding the requirement Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #127

You want to ban all dogs larger than what? A beagle? Oops, Am Staff terriers are in that uppityperson Jan 2012 #132

No ban. Licensing with required training. nt. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #137

should smaller dogs require licensing, owners get training? Who will provide the training? uppityperson Jan 2012 #165

Same way all licensing is regulated. Government oversight. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #166

Enforcement of all dog licensing through veterinarians would be the place to start. undeterred Jan 2012 #24

How would that help? HuckleB Jan 2012 #45

Well... greytdemocrat Jan 2012 #27

I'm inclined to say yes. closeupready Jan 2012 #31

You really shouldn't lump pit bulls in with Presa Canarios KamaAina Jan 2012 #38

Maybe this one was trained to hate trampolines Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #41

Hell. No. Where do we draw the line?? How is it we call for a free and open society DFab420 Jan 2012 #39

Far more regulation of dogs as pets is needed. HuckleB Jan 2012 #40

No, The problem with your mindset is that MicaelS Jan 2012 #47

Requiring licenses is a punishment? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #52

No, and yes MicaelS Jan 2012 #54

You want me to need to get a license to buy a 22? What? No, all gun purchases don't need uppityperson Jan 2012 #119

difference between big guns, but not big dogs? NT Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #122

Precisely how is licensing a form of punishment? LanternWaste Jan 2012 #70

This is what one of the cities in Delaware requires... one_voice Jan 2012 #48

Yes, they are required to be registered Miami-Dade County, FL. RebelOne Jan 2012 #50

Yes. Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #59

I think they should need a license that one would have to take classes to recieve. Marrah_G Jan 2012 #63

A license is required in NJ FarCenter Jan 2012 #65

At a maximum there should be a prohibition on those with bad character from owning or possessing LiberalFighter Jan 2012 #67

Your idea makes a great deal of sense... 99Forever Jan 2012 #73

No, what a stupid idea TorchTheWitch Jan 2012 #82

And that's been tried for how many decades now? randome Jan 2012 #84

BREEDS aren't inherently dangerous TorchTheWitch Jan 2012 #159

I think it is safe to say Aerows Jan 2012 #141

so large sized dogs should be banned or licensed because they freak you out? TorchTheWitch Jan 2012 #160

Please don't put words in my mouth Aerows Jan 2012 #161

It depends guitar man Jan 2012 #86

Genetic testing should make this feasible. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #88

40 lb guitar man Jan 2012 #90

I would be happy at 30lb as well. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #91

They should not be regulated more than other breeds. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #93

Why are you so concerned about a relatively small number of deaths per year? n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #94

How many deaths (and injuries) should I be concerned about? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #97

You don't know how many people are killed by dogs each year? baldguy Jan 2012 #109

Well I was thinking of Bicycles, but your points are all good ones too. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #111

NO! Xicano Jan 2012 #99

A right? No. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #100

So owning a pet is not a right? LOL Next you'll be saying having kids is not a right. Xicano Jan 2012 #102

Does the pet right only apply to dogs? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #103

The owner of an apartment has a right not to allow pets on THEIR property. Xicano Jan 2012 #105

where is this right to own a pet codified into law? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #106

Rights aren't codified but assumed. Your question misunderstands our system TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #110

So you have no problem with my tiger? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #112

owning a pet is not a right MattBaggins Jan 2012 #176

Owning a pet is a responsability. baldguy Jan 2012 #177

They should require a permanent leash tied to their owners randr Jan 2012 #107

No. The average owner can handle these dogs, almost always it is the asshole owners TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #108

I disagree. The average owner is not prepared Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #114

"The people who think they're large did could never hurt a fly scare me." What? I mean, wtf? uppityperson Jan 2012 #120

auto correct. NT Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #121

From what I have seen the "average" dog owner is usually clueless Marrah_G Jan 2012 #158

Not as clueless as people who push BSLs that don't work. baldguy Jan 2012 #162

What is a BSL? Marrah_G Jan 2012 #167

Like I said - clueless. baldguy Jan 2012 #168

Okay you are just behaving like a jerk Marrah_G Jan 2012 #170

You promote something and you have no clue what it is or how it effects people baldguy Jan 2012 #175

i would have to see something more than scary anecdotal stories arely staircase Jan 2012 #115

San Diego elderly woman just lost 3 limbs to pit bull attacks, then died months later. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #129

Do you have a link? Or are you just spreading uninformed & misleading hype? baldguy Jan 2012 #140

How large? Fawke Em Jan 2012 #131

and how do you know whats a pitbull? rdking647 Jan 2012 #142

in 2011 there where 14 people killed by dogs in the US rdking647 Jan 2012 #143

How many were injured? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #147

Why don't YOU find the data, and present it to us? MicaelS Jan 2012 #156

Don't hold your breath... Rex Jan 2012 #164

Definitely not planning on it, thanks n/t MicaelS Jan 2012 #169

my pet -like me- are of questionable origin dembotoz Jan 2012 #149

Orchid is definitely of the waggy variety. baldguy Jan 2012 #153

Only if you live in a 'World of Fear' 24/7. Rex Jan 2012 #163

*all* dogs require a license in most states; and some states have breed-specific legislation inna Jan 2012 #178