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shanny

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39. And even if they did

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 28, 2018, 06:38 PM

Jul 2018

it would be ex post facto and so would not apply to past actions.

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Is it possible for a President to be tried for treason? [View all] kentuck Jul 2018 OP

That'll be for the gop to decide Fullduplexxx Jul 2018 #1

Is treason a political charge? dem4decades Jul 2018 #2

Interesting question. kentuck Jul 2018 #5

yikes nt Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #41

Treason is a capital crime. Eyeball_Kid Jul 2018 #76

Ask again MFM008 Jul 2018 #51

Russia ATTACKED our elections and infrastructure. How is that not an act of war? triron Jul 2018 #3

"Treason" has always been interpreted as giving aid and comfort to an enemy The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #7

The Korean War is still on, and Trump has given aid and comfort to Kim. PubliusEnigma Jul 2018 #77

Technically S & N Korea are still at war. EX500rider Jul 2018 #80

war with Russia has not been declared and the president is a civilian scarytomcat Jul 2018 #9

Is the president a civilian? TheRealNorth Jul 2018 #15

he is commander but civilian scarytomcat Jul 2018 #18

Well damn. lpbk2713 Jul 2018 #72

The Rosenburgs my tend to disagree Sedona Jul 2018 #62

They were tried for espionage djg21 Jul 2018 #65

Trump's crimes may be closer to espionage than treason? kentuck Jul 2018 #68

The President is not above the law. GoCubsGo Jul 2018 #4

I hope you're right. The founders took great pains to avoid a monarch. bitterross Jul 2018 #8

If he cannot be indicted...? kentuck Jul 2018 #10

He could be indicted after leaving office, just not while he's president. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #16

"Justice delayed is justice denied." kentuck Jul 2018 #21

If he can't be indicted while President marylandblue Jul 2018 #25

I don't believe it is settled whether or not he can be indicted. GoCubsGo Jul 2018 #20

True. kentuck Jul 2018 #24

Many have said that the attack on our election in 2016 (and ongoing) is an act of cyber warfare. dameatball Jul 2018 #6

In light of recent developments in the area of cyber warfare, maybe the treason statute The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #17

Right. I doubt that the Founding Fathers ever contemplated cyber warfare. dameatball Jul 2018 #19

Not a statute, it's in the Constitution marylandblue Jul 2018 #26

There is a statute as well, 18 U.S. Code sec. 2381: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #49

Yes, they could define war, but marylandblue Jul 2018 #56

Yes, that's correct; I was thinking only of how to handle cyberwar in the future. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #57

What does this mean?? kentuck Jul 2018 #69

And even if they did shanny Jul 2018 #39

I wish. Iliyah Jul 2018 #11

yes it is.....Article II Sec. 4 US Constitution Historic NY Jul 2018 #12

Plain reading of that shanny Jul 2018 #40

So the answer is "no" grantcart Jul 2018 #78

I think it is much more likely to be considered conspiracy. As in a vast right wing conspiracy, madinmaryland Jul 2018 #13

First a reality check - Trump isn't going to be tried for treason. PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #14

That's not a policy, it's a legal opinion of a part of a DOJ marylandblue Jul 2018 #27

Rosenstein will not be charging Trump with treason. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #29

He can authorize Mueller to do it. marylandblue Jul 2018 #30

Both those guys are likely much too smart to do that. You don't make your prime charge questionalble PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #35

I don't think they will charge him with treason marylandblue Jul 2018 #37

I am agreeable to that. triron Jul 2018 #45

I suppose reading the Constitution was too difficult? brooklynite Jul 2018 #55

Why the hell not? gibraltar72 Jul 2018 #22

As part of a bill of impeachment, yes. Odoreida Jul 2018 #23

That's not in question, the Constitution is clear on that point marylandblue Jul 2018 #31

There's no real question on that, the answer is a clear yes. That's why Nixon was pardoned... PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #34

Absolutely it can. shanny Jul 2018 #42

He isn't going to be charged with treason. onenote Jul 2018 #28

Mueller's indictment said the Russians had been engaged in "cyberwarfare" against the US. pnwmom Jul 2018 #44

how do you explain travel and trade and diplomatic relations? onenote Jul 2018 #46

Yep. DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2018 #52

Where in the statute does it say "armed hostilities"? nt pnwmom Jul 2018 #59

18 USC Chapter 18 Section 2331(4) DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2018 #64

Is that the definition for "act of war" in the terrorism law? pnwmom Jul 2018 #66

It isnt. DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2018 #70

One word: Trump. n/t pnwmom Jul 2018 #58

I don't think "Trump" is a legal principle. onenote Jul 2018 #60

Trump controls the GOP, lock, stock and barrel. And the Trump GOP pnwmom Jul 2018 #61

And thus we're not at war. onenote Jul 2018 #67

Actually the Rosenbergs were charged with treason and executed True_Blue Jul 2018 #73

ACTUALLY, you don't know what you're talking about. onenote Jul 2018 #74

You're right True_Blue Jul 2018 #79

Congress isn't going to declare war on Russia. onenote Jul 2018 #82

Not with Republicans in charge of Congress oberliner Jul 2018 #32

Sure one could be...and if under UCMJ be sentence to death beachbum bob Jul 2018 #33

Although "Commander in Chief" the President is a civilian. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #36

UCMJ has NO applicationt to a POTUS. AncientGeezer Jul 2018 #38

If he is thrown out of office by Congress, yes. pnwmom Jul 2018 #43

From what I understand. Blue_true Jul 2018 #47

"Treason OR high crimes and misdemeanors"? kentuck Jul 2018 #48

If the president is a Democrat, it's a blow job. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #50

"High Crimes and Misdemeanors" would be felonies that Congress judges severe enough marylandblue Jul 2018 #53

I would think he would have to be impeached first. Afterwards he's a private citizen. Kablooie Jul 2018 #54

If he committed treason, which I believe he did, then... liberal N proud Jul 2018 #63

IMO Trump is the biggest traitor in the history of America True_Blue Jul 2018 #71

K&R ck4829 Jul 2018 #75

There is no doubt Trump used Russian connections to win the election over Hillary Clinton! UCmeNdc Jul 2018 #81