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114. So, you're denying that the Democratic party has something....

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:20 AM

Jul 2018

...that could be roughly described as a right and a left wing (and of course some middle ground as well)?

I can see how the right wing of the party would object to being called such, but it's reality. I can see how they would prefer to be called "moderate." But words are funny things because that would leave people to the left of moderate as "immoderate" or "radical" which clearly can have a pejorative implication.

So, to be clear, there is a, objectively, a (right) wing of the party, which has no real problem with the capitalist/imperialist/corporate status quo, or at least don't want to go anywhere else in a hurry, and a (left) wing of the party, which insists sees a complicity of the former with the status quo (which is undeniably fucked up and has been in my lifetime) and is hungry, and frankly impatient for change.

If you don't see this I'd have to say you are naive and uninformed. If you see it but won't say it you're complicit.

So far, in this post and my others on this thread, I don't see the insults you mentioned. Just demonstrable facts. As Truman said, "I don't give 'em hell, I just give 'em the truth, and they think it's hell."

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Salon: Democratic moderates fear the socialist left will wreck the party... [View all] Fiendish Thingy Jul 2018 OP

THEY NEED TO STOP cilla4progress Jul 2018 #1

Perhaps the Big Tent should embrace the socialist left ? Autumn Jul 2018 #32

+1 Go Vols Jul 2018 #38

's what I'm cilla4progress Jul 2018 #40

I find it offensive that Comey and Lieberman are worried about the Dem Autumn Jul 2018 #41

Autumn, this is the left's version of right wing Hortensis Jul 2018 #45

I don't consider Comey and Lieberman or their opinions to be Autumn Jul 2018 #49

Good. Time to step up and commit to unity. Hortensis Jul 2018 #65

I don't have to commit to what I have always done, that Autumn Jul 2018 #71

"I don't trash Democrats...the same for Hillary" sheshe2 Jul 2018 #77

... betsuni Jul 2018 #78

... sheshe2 Jul 2018 #83

Leaving out parts of what I said there? Autumn Jul 2018 #82

Same thing really. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #84

No it's not the same thing I said. Autumn Jul 2018 #85

Please explain the difference. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #88

What I posted is still there and readable. Autumn Jul 2018 #89

I only got 40-50 winks last night. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #90

HA Goodman, Comey and Lieberman are trying to rile you up and it seems to be working. bettyellen Jul 2018 #151

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not "tiled" up Autumn Jul 2018 #154

You're super interested in what Comey and Lieberman have to say about Dems and less so in what bettyellen Jul 2018 #156

Strange? Whats strange is you are more interested in pretending Autumn Jul 2018 #158

Salon gave HA Goodman a propaganda voice.. what does that Cha Jul 2018 #61

Ah yes, Cha! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #96

Yes, Fuck those who push Dems are "terrified" "fear".. Cha Jul 2018 #108

Back at you! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #112

how about unity under a leftist platform? tomp Jul 2018 #63

"Immigrant Youth Shelters: "If You're a Predator, Hortensis Jul 2018 #66

Let me guess... tomp Jul 2018 #102

... betsuni Jul 2018 #122

The poster only has Insults and he's asking for "unity".. Cha Jul 2018 #110

"..right wing of the party.." All you have Cha Jul 2018 #109

So, you're denying that the Democratic party has something.... tomp Jul 2018 #114

Quit insulting our Democratic Party with your Cha Jul 2018 #116

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #118

No, you can see that all you have are Insults.. that's Cha Jul 2018 #119

"I'd have to say you are naive and uninformed. If you see it but won't say it you're complicit." betsuni Jul 2018 #120

"Weak. Sad!" ... and dearly departed. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #129

Ah! I am paralyzed with grief. betsuni Jul 2018 #138

No, you're "funny".. trying to label the worst Cha Jul 2018 #124

People who don't think some Democrats are "right wing" lapucelle Jul 2018 #135

LOL "the right wing of the party" betsuni Jul 2018 #121

+++ nt heaven05 Jul 2018 #149

Perhaps not? George II Jul 2018 #92

It's their choice. They will do it or they won't. Autumn Jul 2018 #130

Interesting concept. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #166

Task one: Rid the country of of GOP/Russian Eyeball_Kid Jul 2018 #132

Take back the Senate and the House and THEN settle the differences? Autumn Jul 2018 #133

perhaps heaven05 Jul 2018 #148

Forgotten by some. Not others. Autumn Jul 2018 #153

Fuck the Centrists Thirdway! Their losing streak has to be stopped! Cobalt Violet Jul 2018 #127

You go believe what Comey and Lieberman have to say about Dems-that's brilliant! bettyellen Jul 2018 #157

no i believe what I see with my own eye. Cobalt Violet Jul 2018 #162

The article in the OP is RW bullshit designed to divide Dems, but keep falling for it... bettyellen Jul 2018 #164

Why is wanting affordable healthcare now called the Socialist left? lancelyons Jul 2018 #2

Don't Get Sucked In By This Dem Socialist Baiting.... global1 Jul 2018 #6

Ignore the labels. Everyone want the same thing, the only difference is pace of getting it. Blue_true Jul 2018 #10

I agree, but sadly it happens here often. elleng Jul 2018 #15

We are facing a very real threat to democracy. We had better figure it out. Blue_true Jul 2018 #19

Yes, absolutely, elleng Jul 2018 #20

Elizabeth Warren: Trump Supreme Court Nominee Hortensis Jul 2018 #75

What Do We Want? The same Progressive things! When Do We Want It? Fiendish Thingy Jul 2018 #54

All the social and economic progress of the last 86 years have come from democrats. Blue_true Jul 2018 #59

LBJ decided the time for the Civil Rights Act was NOW Fiendish Thingy Jul 2018 #100

It was actually JFK who sent the 1964 Civil Rights Act legislation to Congress: ucrdem Jul 2018 #111

Kennedy sent all that up. Blue_true Jul 2018 #140

I don't like being attacked for merely disagreeing on practical matters. joshcryer Jul 2018 #95

Edwards appears to be doing a decent job overall. Blue_true Jul 2018 #97

He literally saved lives the day he took office. joshcryer Jul 2018 #104

Maybe change the legislature so that it's less conservative. Blue_true Jul 2018 #107

Yeah some people want it to happen after they no longer have to run for reelection. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #106

Are you claiming that the Democratic party doesn't support most if not all of these issues? dansolo Jul 2018 #123

Thank you! xmas74 Jul 2018 #150

K&R GaryCnf Jul 2018 #3

Such election year bullshit. Just ignore it. I do. n/t Greybnk48 Jul 2018 #4

It's a fight that's going to be had. But not now, not at this time in history. Let's stay together. YOHABLO Jul 2018 #5

every single time since 1972 I have voted straight democratic. tomp Jul 2018 #64

Please let's not play this game backtoblue Jul 2018 #7

I think its NOT enough to ignore these. I think you have to try to correct the misinformation. lancelyons Jul 2018 #16

I agree. kcr Jul 2018 #18

Thank you! We must all correct the misinformation with facts. betsuni Jul 2018 #74

Thanks for your response backtoblue Jul 2018 #161

Stronger Together is fine, but we have primaries for a reason Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #87

No matter how good this Democrat is ...there is not a chance in hell to elect him in Michigan... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #8

Stop promoting division of the party, right here on this thread you can see Eliot Rosewater Jul 2018 #9

I just do not look forward to 2020. Blue_true Jul 2018 #12

+1 BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #27

I have researched stuff here lately and what is going on is so obvious but ofcourse Eliot Rosewater Jul 2018 #33

I'm pretty sure they have way bigger things to worry about. dchill Jul 2018 #11

Who knew Comey and Lieberman were the voices of the Democratic party? kcr Jul 2018 #13

When did Comey become a Dem? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #37

Really. It is beyond ludicrous to count him as a Dem. kcr Jul 2018 #39

Seriously, fuck Lieberman with a barbed wire-wrapped baseball bat. Efilroft Sul Jul 2018 #86

+ struggle4progress Jul 2018 #163

And the hand wringing begins GaryCnf Jul 2018 #14

FYI: The only direction we should be heading right now is getting out... brush Jul 2018 #31

I'll tell you what GaryCnf Jul 2018 #52

We are in agreement. We must win at least the House or the country is over. brush Jul 2018 #56

YES n/t GaryCnf Jul 2018 #57

I strongly disagree- winning is essential, but there's lots more important than winning Fiendish Thingy Jul 2018 #58

You say winning the House back doesn't matter as much Squinch Jul 2018 #67

Don't put words in my mouth, OK? Fiendish Thingy Jul 2018 #99

Nothing is more important than winning the House back. Nothing. Squinch Jul 2018 #113

Except those posts you are so sure are there aren't there. Squinch Jul 2018 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Jul 2018 #79

Oh dear GaryCnf Jul 2018 #55

The moderate Democrats in this article are Comey and Lieberman? gratuitous Jul 2018 #17

big tent eShirl Jul 2018 #21

More divisive rubbish from Salon the home of H A Goodman comradebillyboy Jul 2018 #22

Socialist left. That's funny. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2018 #23

Socialist Left? dugog55 Jul 2018 #24

+1 n/t area51 Jul 2018 #35

And there it is, the talking point: "Medicare, medicaid, Social Security, food stamps etc ..., betsuni Jul 2018 #73

+1 leftstreet Jul 2018 #94

IMO its more about branding and name identity than any real political views msongs Jul 2018 #25

There are currently fewer of those "socialist" Democrats than you can count on one hand. MoonRiver Jul 2018 #26

Exactly to the relative numbers. Hortensis Jul 2018 #69

Comey and Lieberman are democrats? qazplm135 Jul 2018 #28

FAIL ! stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #29

Ah Yes...Salon Me. Jul 2018 #30

Thank you, Salon, for your "concerns". We'll do just fine. moriah Jul 2018 #34

Al Davis of the Oakland Raiders made it all so simple for Democrats: yallerdawg Jul 2018 #36

The other side of the coin the socialist left must work with the rest of us beachbum bob Jul 2018 #42

This! I fear this is 'q6 redux. Dream Girl Jul 2018 #43

That's what is sad about all this. They easily could, especially now. kcr Jul 2018 #44

What a fucking stupid article. You're not really buying this shit, are you? Tell me you're not. Squinch Jul 2018 #46

This is bullshit. STOP IT. A fucking Russian spy is in the White House. Damit. onecaliberal Jul 2018 #47

Question: Is H.A. Goodman a Socialist? Wwcd Jul 2018 #48

I think this is a good article on the subject. link Snotcicles Jul 2018 #50

I don't know about 'wrecking the party' empedocles Jul 2018 #51

Requiring Automobile Insurance is Capitalized Socialism! populistdriven Jul 2018 #53

This is why I stopped reading Salon. They go out of their way to push Demand critic division theme, still_one Jul 2018 #60

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #62

We need to be together now wonkwest Jul 2018 #70

I'll go with Valerie Jarrett on this... Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #72

Well said, Valerie! And Algernon! LAS14 Jul 2018 #115

They may very well wreck Michigan for the next eight years RandySF Jul 2018 #76

They better the hell NOT. Cha Jul 2018 #125

As a rule Chris Studio Jul 2018 #80

just use the word 'progressive' instead of 'socialist'.... samnsara Jul 2018 #81

I agree with that hfojvt Jul 2018 #91

Why on earth should we give darn what Comey or Lieberman... WePurrsevere Jul 2018 #93

too late to contain now, might as well embrace AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #98

Concerned about Lieberman's thoughts? elleng Jul 2018 #101

Bernie Supporter here. Glamrock Jul 2018 #103

Tell that to the minor faction heaven05 Jul 2018 #134

I think I just did. Glamrock Jul 2018 #136

Although, I must admit Glamrock Jul 2018 #137

I do heaven05 Jul 2018 #139

heaven. Glamrock Jul 2018 #141

okay heaven05 Jul 2018 #142

Thanks. Glamrock Jul 2018 #143

If you want policies heaven05 Jul 2018 #144

That's where we will have to agree to disagree. Glamrock Jul 2018 #145

no problem heaven05 Jul 2018 #146

All Democrats must remember nothing is free and most things worth having democratisphere Jul 2018 #105

Your point? nt LAS14 Jul 2018 #117

We already pay for it. Bradical79 Jul 2018 #160

Demand that people that use the word socialist Chris Studio Jul 2018 #126

Just because YOU don't understand DSA's views Nevernose Jul 2018 #155

our Party has ALWAYS stood heaven05 Jul 2018 #128

... brer cat Jul 2018 #131

Dem Moderates are NOT afraid of socialists poetshepherd Jul 2018 #147

More the media pushing a wedge issue for ratings & clicks than fear from moderate democratics krawhitham Jul 2018 #152

The RW Hate Machine will pull out all the stops. Turbineguy Jul 2018 #159

So the Democratic Party has its own little Tea Party. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2018 #165