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Ezior

(505 posts)
82. That sums it up, I guess
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 06:55 AM
Jul 2018

I have a friend here in Germany who is pretty far to the left (and yes, he's not a right-winger and not a libertarian or anything - definitely pretty far to the left).

And you can't really discuss the Russia issues with him in a normal way. If you bring up intelligence communities, he will start a rant about how you can't trust intelligence reports because of weapons of mass destruction in iraq. If you bring up Mueller and the IRA indictment, he will say that everybody does it and it's not that bad, because it's the voters fault when they trust the IRA messages. If you bring up DNC hacking by Russians, he will say that it was good that they stole those e-mails and gave them to Wikileaks, because it shows how the DNC wanted Hillary to win against Bernie.

He's very anti-war, and because of that he's very anti-US because of the wars/interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc. I'm not sure but I guess he wants Germany to leave NATO. Generally, he's anti-"anything the so-called elite does or wants".

And when we had visitors from the US who are Democrats (after the primaries), he actually questioned their plans to vote for Hillary, because he apparently bought into that "Hillary means World War 3 starts in Syria" bullshit. So I'm glad he's not eligible to vote in the US, because he probably would not have voted in the General election because Bernie lost, or maybe even voted for Trump.

So there are definitely left wingers who don't get the Russia thing, I'm afraid. Another example is Kyle Kulinski.

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Hmmm. Greenwald hasn't been "left" for a while now. It was a pose and he's pretty much bettyellen Jul 2018 #1
greenwald was pretending and so many Cha Jul 2018 #5
Oh, Greenwald is left... Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #31
Uninformed. Period. rainin Jul 2018 #2
I suspect a more sinister reason. John Fante Jul 2018 #54
And, greenwald just hypocritically deleted 27,000 Cha Jul 2018 #3
Interesting, no? peggysue2 Jul 2018 #18
In the interests of radical transparency I made the decision to erase all my tweets. Cha Jul 2018 #89
ALL those who benefitted from the attack and are now silent on it or dismissive of it ehrnst Jul 2018 #85
They're so obvious it makes me Cha Jul 2018 #88
There's alwasy been a faction on the left that believes that because Downtown Hound Jul 2018 #4
What a wonderful post. MicaelS Jul 2018 #8
Yes. I've been arguing against those who that stance since the 60's. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #9
Nailed it. N/T JarOCats Jul 2018 #33
What you said, Downtown Hound. nt Hekate Jul 2018 #51
Spot on assessment!! NT Docreed2003 Jul 2018 #56
Nailed it. /nt susanna Jul 2018 #71
This!!!!! get the red out Jul 2018 #86
K & R Wwcd Jul 2018 #103
There aren't any, none Saboburns Jul 2018 #6
Yeah, I don't buy this crap either. Perhaps a VERY a small percentage. kysrsoze Jul 2018 #7
No, there are lots of "leftists" that minimize the investigation. The Jill Stein crowd, for example. pnwmom Jul 2018 #10
Shhhh! People are having too much fun viewing this from their luxury condos along that famed DonViejo Jul 2018 #13
I would expect the Jill Stein crowd to minimize it... JarOCats Jul 2018 #35
These's a whole message board of DU ex-pats who think so. RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #14
But some have moved on from JPR. Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #44
In recent days, many JPR zombies have shown up here after long absences. Squinch Jul 2018 #77
I could list a dozen former DUers, off the top of my head, who fall into this category... SidDithers Jul 2018 #17
I haven't seen any evidence that they've seen mcar Jul 2018 #60
Only the Jackpines, who are in reality libertarian/MRA shills, not actual leftist or progressive Tarc Jul 2018 #21
Could you please point out to me precisely what is this "factual evidence" Ghost Dog Jul 2018 #81
You seriously don't see the basis for Russian collusion? Tarc Jul 2018 #83
+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #84
Seriously, no, I haven't yet seen it (I'm here on the edge of Europe, Ghost Dog Jul 2018 #92
So... Four hours waiting, in this particular example... Ghost Dog Jul 2018 #94
Your words are coming across as more of an alt-right apologist Tarc Jul 2018 #95
No evidence then? But so _concerned_? Ghost Dog Jul 2018 #99
Whatever you say, Guccifer. Tarc Jul 2018 #100
Read Mueller's indictments of the "Internet Research Agency" from Feb and the GRU hackers from July. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #101
Thank you. Ghost Dog Aug 2018 #104
+1, haven't talked to anyone who thinks this Russia thing is a joke uponit7771 Jul 2018 #22
Me neither Saboburns Jul 2018 #32
I think Jillsie is maintaining an oh-so-discreet silence. Like if she's very quiet, maybe Mueller... Hekate Jul 2018 #50
You are wrong mcar Jul 2018 #58
You should read reddit or The Nation sometime. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #69
yeah, no one who's been paying attention Cha Jul 2018 #91
Glenn Greenwald is a vile human being oberliner Jul 2018 #11
Glenn Greeenwald regularly appears on "Democracy Now!" OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #24
Yes, exactly oberliner Jul 2018 #28
I guess I didn't understand your "clue". OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #29
Hopefully you understand it now oberliner Jul 2018 #34
But they're self-identified as "leftist". OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #36
"Self-identified" EndGOPPropaganda Jul 2018 #66
Many want to believe Trump beat Hillary fair and square because they sat out.... RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #12
The Sarandon faction belongs to that camp. They want to undermine the Russian inverstigation lunamagica Jul 2018 #15
"Leftist" is being reframed apparently. Greybnk48 Jul 2018 #16
How so? (n/t) OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #25
Being on the left, for me, means being a Democrat and Greybnk48 Jul 2018 #70
Having done a lot of time on the left... MountCleaners Jul 2018 #19
Who dat? spanone Jul 2018 #20
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #23
people like jill Stein JI7 Jul 2018 #27
because they are Putin Trolls like Jill Stein and don't really care about a liberal agenda JI7 Jul 2018 #26
What I see on Twitter RandySF Jul 2018 #30
I wish. OilemFirchen Jul 2018 #38
Yeah, KGB is good arent they. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2018 #39
How far left are these skeptics? JarOCats Jul 2018 #37
they are more conspiracy theorists JI7 Jul 2018 #40
Like Greenwald seeing a "Deep State" bogeyman around every corner? JarOCats Jul 2018 #46
think JPR too..... Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #41
This was a teaser? saidsimplesimon Jul 2018 #42
Why shouldn't it be shared? mcar Jul 2018 #62
I lost respect for Chomsky yesterday Ponietz Jul 2018 #43
Yikes. What was he watching? I saw trump siding with Putin against Americans. Squinch Jul 2018 #76
WHY is this bullshit posted here? onecaliberal Jul 2018 #45
It's all about divide and conquer ornotna Jul 2018 #49
+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Jul 2018 #65
Yup we have an overtly fascist government Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #75
It isn't bullshit. It is an article by Jonathan Chait who has done great reporting on Trump/Russia emulatorloo Jul 2018 #102
What counts as skeptical? mythology Jul 2018 #47
Actually, none of what you wrote is at all clear. And calling interest in Russian cyberwarfare... Hekate Jul 2018 #55
What evidence is that? mcar Jul 2018 #61
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #48
no, they have a problem calling out attacks on the election JI7 Jul 2018 #53
Oh, you are referring to the woman who got 3 million more votes than Trump, despite everything... Hekate Jul 2018 #59
Because th Russians DIDNT break into voter rolls and steal the info of 500,000 voters. onecaliberal Jul 2018 #64
You're so adorable when you parrot Trump talking points, shanny emulatorloo Jul 2018 #68
**** Hekate Jul 2018 #72
Heh. betsuni Jul 2018 #73
emulatorloo! Thank You for calling out that Cha Jul 2018 #74
The Jill Stein voters Hassler Jul 2018 #52
Horseshoe mcar Jul 2018 #57
Greenwald isn't "left" any more... vi5 Jul 2018 #63
What the fuck is a leftist? GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #67
several reasons, some awful, some reasonable DonCoquixote Jul 2018 #78
Blind and rabid hatred for the establishment. DetlefK Jul 2018 #79
That sums it up, I guess Ezior Jul 2018 #82
Noam Chomsky dismisses the Russian investigation. rainy Jul 2018 #80
If your world view says "CIA/FBI/NSA/Pentagon are bad" then Mueller is the enemy. McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #87
It's the Snowden/Greenwald it's-cool-to-hate-America idiots. betsuni Jul 2018 #90
On JPR, there are a number of threads calling Russian investigation a hoax Gothmog Jul 2018 #93
Russians posting on that site too Bradical79 Jul 2018 #98
You have to understand some of the history of left wing movements and the government. Caliman73 Jul 2018 #96
Contrarians, Russophiles, and "burn it all down" attitudes Bradical79 Jul 2018 #97
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