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Reply to tymorial (Reply #125)

Tue Jul 31, 2018, 10:45 AM

Jul 2018

and no one who pushes Medicare for all will bother to tell them.

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Study: 'Medicare for all' projected to cost $32.6 trillion [View all] SunSeeker Jul 2018 OP

Study funded by Koch brothers unc70 Jul 2018 #1

As soon as I saw the word libertarian I saw it as a very biased study... WePurrsevere Jul 2018 #5

So what is the correct cost figure? Got a link? SunSeeker Jul 2018 #18

The article at the link goes into more detail, not just showcasing the $32.6 figure pazzyanne Jul 2018 #95

Yes, other outlets have analyzed the study, everyone from Wonkette to Think Progress. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #97

Reading the article at the link brings in the weakness in the $32.6 trillion pazzyanne Jul 2018 #100

Well of course. But to get those savings we need to raise taxes. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #102

The answer to the question lies in a study that puts together a full picture pazzyanne Jul 2018 #103

I agreee. We need a neutral study, otherwise this Mercatus study fills the vacuum. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #106

What cost do you think is more accurate? SunSeeker Jul 2018 #6

If study says it cost $30 trillion u can b sure overall we save $40 trillion because onit2day Jul 2018 #80

Simple economics: SCantiGOP Jul 2018 #84

This needs to be compared with what folks are paying now. greymattermom Jul 2018 #2

It's more than we pay now, because we have drastic underservice Recursion Jul 2018 #3

Then a logical, rational comparison would factor underservice in... KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2018 #121

100% agree with that last sentence Recursion Jul 2018 #122

Exactly. That is why I think it is a deal, because I do take that into consideration. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #4

Yep. And include the costs PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #20

I'm retired, but paid zero for my medical when employed. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #45

All the healthy living only partially protects you mythology Jul 2018 #60

True. If far, everything wrong treestar Jul 2018 #64

Yep. I'd say genetics is 1/2 the battle. Lifestyle & luck being the rest. 7962 Jul 2018 #71

True. I've been lucky. But I've ALSO tried to be healthy. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #75

Don't forget the extra coverage we pay for... Delmette2.0 Jul 2018 #57

It might require some sort of "liability limits" in order to pass JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2018 #7

Well, MY study says it'll cost $3.87. TygrBright Jul 2018 #8

I'm going with Bright jodymarie aimee Jul 2018 #9

What do you think is the correct cost figure? Got a link? SunSeeker Jul 2018 #19

We do need our own current study to counter this one. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #13

I think this study is definitely wonky. mwooldri Jul 2018 #72

Don't forget one of the costliest: luvtheGWN Jul 2018 #83

Many of the most expensive hospitals are now "non-profit" erronis Jul 2018 #90

I learn so much from reading Wonkette (seriously)... helpful analysis here: renate Jul 2018 #10

Yup. Like I said, even at $3T a year, it is a deal. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #15

So, more people would be covered at lower cost gratuitous Jul 2018 #24

"Other countries" already are Socialist. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #39

Actually, the industrialized world... paleotn Jul 2018 #110

The maximum individual rate in B.C. is $84 monthly lamsmy Jul 2018 #11

Well, that's in addition to the taxes they pay to finance the system. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #17

California has more people than the entire country of Canada. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #49

That's another reason universal coverage is cheaper - prevention lamsmy Jul 2018 #65

I disagree about the jobs. AllyCat Jul 2018 #74

That figure is a substantial amount of the entire networth of the usa. miyazaki Jul 2018 #12

US net worth is about $124T, if you just count assets and assign $0 worth to the actual humans. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #21

weeeeeee! making up numbers is fun! unblock Jul 2018 #14

Do you have a link to a study that gives a lower figure? SunSeeker Jul 2018 #16

+100! KPN Jul 2018 #104

That's 1/7th of the current GDP that's kind of a strange number uponit7771 Jul 2018 #22

It would be 16.8% of our GDP. That is high compared to other single payer countries. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #27

+1, It's because the doctors Pharmaceuticals in hospital groups charge outrageous uponit7771 Jul 2018 #30

Right! Doctors, nurses, health care administrators KPN Jul 2018 #107

Whats wrong with working people getting raises? fescuerescue Jul 2018 #117

Nothing -- if other workers are also being KPN Jul 2018 #118

HMmm fescuerescue Jul 2018 #141

Consider the source matt819 Jul 2018 #23

Exactly. sandensea Jul 2018 #32

Bingo. Not to mention that the current overall cost of Medicare KPN Jul 2018 #108

Of course: Koch "studies" ALWAYS omit the cost savings part of the analysis. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #25

Well, they did include costs saving, but low-balled them. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #33

Odd that the headline didn't say "Medicare For All Projected To Save $2 Trillion" lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #38

It is hard to quantify the value of a saved life, so it appears we just give it $0. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #43

A human should at least be worth the average value he/she adds to billionaires' pockets. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #47

Yea and just think of the hundreds of thousands workinclasszero Jul 2018 #93

That's what we're paying ALREADY sandensea Jul 2018 #26

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #29

"what the tax increases will be and be prepared to justify them" vi5 Jul 2018 #28

Some actual numbers dpibel Jul 2018 #31

Full of trump The Liberal Lion Jul 2018 #35

Thanks. What do you think is the correct cost figure if not $3.26T? Got a link? SunSeeker Jul 2018 #36

Hmmm... dpibel Jul 2018 #55

That PNHP link does not give anything recent, and no total cost figures. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #85

OK dpibel Jul 2018 #98

This is one of those things The Liberal Lion Jul 2018 #34

I agree it's a litmus test of our humanity. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #37

All talk of 'how much will it cost' is meaningless, unless compared to how much it costs NOW. TrollBuster9090 Jul 2018 #40

Please apply Supply-Side thinking bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #41

+1000! KPN Jul 2018 #111

Tax Sugar Grease Oil And Processed Food To Pay For All Of It PaulX2 Jul 2018 #42

Since you are eating perfectly what are you going to die from? former9thward Jul 2018 #73

Old Age PaulX2 Jul 2018 #79

It is probaby been a hundred years since they stopped putting "old age" former9thward Jul 2018 #82

All projections are irrelevant right now. Hortensis Jul 2018 #44

This might help with your "confusion" Blecht Jul 2018 #46

So it appears Thinkprogress accepts the numbers from this Mercatus study. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #51

As you've pointed out (and asked for) several times here, we need out OWN number. Until then.... George II Jul 2018 #48

What? And live in a civilized country? Turbineguy Jul 2018 #50

If that was funded by the Kochs, then it's not true. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #52

What do you think is the correct cost figure? Got a link? nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #54

I'm not an actuary. But I have common sense. A Koch brother is on the board of that co. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #63

Until we are able to present another, more neutral study's cost total, Mercatus fills the vacuum. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #112

I'm afraid so. This study will rule the roost during 2020 campaigns. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #120

Assuming noting else is cut from the budget,.... Joe Nation Jul 2018 #53

Taxes increase; premiums and copays decrease dpibel Jul 2018 #66

Smoking gun: Liberalagogo Jul 2018 #56

It's a pretty good estimate. We spend $3.3Trillion yearly for health care, with a lot of uninsured Hoyt Jul 2018 #58

Yep. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #101

One thing I noticed different in the article: Premiums Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #59

Does it cover... Chris Studio Jul 2018 #61

The Kochs... Downtown Hound Jul 2018 #62

Then how does the UK do it so cheaply? mwooldri Jul 2018 #67

UK doctors start at $55K and max out at $90K Recursion Jul 2018 #94

Most people would not be happy to pay "just" $14K more for a family of three pnwmom Jul 2018 #68

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #89

That's why many people on medicare have supplementary insurance tymorial Jul 2018 #91

I agree. The entire system has to change. Also, a key part that you haven't mentioned pnwmom Jul 2018 #92

Oh yes indeed. Absolutely tymorial Jul 2018 #114

I just had that happen myself. Our major insurer pnwmom Jul 2018 #115

Has your physician worked with your pharmacist? tymorial Jul 2018 #119

Thanks for the compounding pharmacy idea. My pharmacist has tried to help me, pnwmom Jul 2018 #123

It depends on the pharmacy and your insurance. tymorial Jul 2018 #124

Thank you -- this is good advice for my other prescription. With this one, unfortunately, pnwmom Jul 2018 #139

Your high blood pressure medication could still be compounded tymorial Jul 2018 #142

Thank you, tymorial! I just checked and goodrx DOES cover my med. pnwmom Jul 2018 #143

Thanks idahoblue Jul 2018 #69

Fake news! nt elmac Jul 2018 #70

Why would anyone give any credence to a study from a rightwing think tank? procon Jul 2018 #76

Apparently Think Progress gives it credence. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #87

BTW, Bernie gave the study credence: SunSeeker Jul 2018 #136

and yet that same study says it would save us TRILLIONS each year 0rganism Jul 2018 #77

Yep. But to get those savings, we need to increase taxes. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #88

Agreed. They say we now spend 15-20 of our GDP. That comes to between 3 and 4 trillion c-rational Jul 2018 #99

Exactly. Then we could attract people who actually want to heal people instead of be rich. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #137

a transaction tax on wall street would take care of most of the costs elmac Jul 2018 #78

Please don't use Trump's language. This is not fake news. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #96

How much would we spend on healthcare if we did NOT do Medicare for all? Yavin4 Jul 2018 #81

Health Care Abuse yellowwoodII Jul 2018 #86

With a value added sales tax the people who shop alot pay the most. The people shopping applegrove Jul 2018 #105

Increase spending, but save money too. It's the net that counts. Plus quality of life counts too. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #109

Yep. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #113

Medicare doesn't pay everything for everyone radical noodle Jul 2018 #116

Sadly, a lot of people dont lnow this. tymorial Jul 2018 #125

Obviously not... radical noodle Jul 2018 #129

Universal medicare would give cost certainty to hospitals DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #126

You can pay $30,000 MichMary Jul 2018 #127

Yes, that is a problem. Our doctors are different. They expect to be wealthy. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #131

Interesting. ehrnst Jul 2018 #128

I don't know of any Dems praising this study. Did Bernie praise this study? SunSeeker Jul 2018 #130

Yes, Bernie praised this study. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #132

... SunSeeker Jul 2018 #133

.... ehrnst Jul 2018 #134

Is this "thank you" what you are referring to? SunSeeker Jul 2018 #135

Every other social democracy can do it but not this country? BSdetect Jul 2018 #138

It's all a matter of priorities, and ours are pretty screwed up right now. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #140