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In reply to the discussion: How is it I never knew Tad Devine was a cohort of Paul Manafort? [View all]pnwmom
(110,324 posts)54. You can't tell the difference between Putin's YANUKOVYCH and his opponent YUSCHENKO.
Other than the fact that they're both Ukrainian and both have names starting with Y, no one should have trouble telling them apart.
Bill Clinton's pollster Stan Greenburg, and his advisor Mark Penn both worked with former Prime Minister Yuschenko, who was poisoned by Putin thugs and almost died.
Paul Manafort and Tad Devine, by contrast, worked for Yanukovych, a Putin-ally in Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko
Viktor Andriyovych Yushchenko (Ukrainian: Віктор Андрійович Ющенко, IPA: [ˈβiktor ɐnˈdrʲijoβetʃ ˈjuʃtʃenko] (About this sound listen); born February 23, 1954) is a Ukrainian politician who was the third President of Ukraine from January 23, 2005 to February 25, 2010.
As an informal leader of the Ukrainian opposition coalition, he was one of the two main candidates in the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election. Yushchenko won the presidency through a repeat runoff election between him and Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych. The Ukrainian Supreme Court called for the runoff election to be repeated because of widespread electoral fraud in favor of Viktor Yanukovych in the original vote. Yushchenko won in the revote (52% to 44%). Public protests prompted by the electoral fraud played a major role in that presidential election and led to Ukraine's Orange Revolution.
Following an assassination attempt in late 2004 during his election campaign, Yushchenko was confirmed to have ingested hazardous amounts of TCDD, the most potent dioxin and a contaminant in Agent Orange. He suffered disfigurement as a result of the poisoning, but has since made a full physical recovery.
As an informal leader of the Ukrainian opposition coalition, he was one of the two main candidates in the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election. Yushchenko won the presidency through a repeat runoff election between him and Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych. The Ukrainian Supreme Court called for the runoff election to be repeated because of widespread electoral fraud in favor of Viktor Yanukovych in the original vote. Yushchenko won in the revote (52% to 44%). Public protests prompted by the electoral fraud played a major role in that presidential election and led to Ukraine's Orange Revolution.
Following an assassination attempt in late 2004 during his election campaign, Yushchenko was confirmed to have ingested hazardous amounts of TCDD, the most potent dioxin and a contaminant in Agent Orange. He suffered disfigurement as a result of the poisoning, but has since made a full physical recovery.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2014/02/21/ukraines-long-history-with-us-political-consultants-and-lobbyists
Manafort isnt alone in plying his trade in the former Soviet republic; as the Times noted in 2007, former Bill Clinton pollster Stan Greenberg was working for Ukraines then-president, Viktor Yushchenko, as were GOP operatives Steve Schmidt and Neil Newhouse. By the 2010 presidential campaign, the Times reported, Yuschenko had retained another former Clinton strategist, Mark Penn, while then-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko had hired David Axelrods old firm, AKPD Media. (Its a small world after all: Schmidt would go on to manage John McCains 2008 presidential campaign against AKPD client Barack Obama; Newhouse would in 2012 poll for long-time client Mitt Romney in his presidential bid.)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29761799
Russia helped ousted Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych to flee from violent protests in February, Russian leader Vladimir Putin has said.
It is the first time Mr Putin has given details of how he helped his ally escape.
It is the first time Mr Putin has given details of how he helped his ally escape.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/07/31/paul-manafort-trial-live-coverage/?utm_term=.8833ec3a4f05
Tad Devine described to the jury how Paul Manaforts team brought American politics to Ukraine, including professional polling and advertising, a team of advance staffers, and people to monitor the voting process itself. When Viktor Yanukovych won the presidential race in February 2010, it was Devine who wrote his victory night speech.
That night, Devine and Manafort exchanged congratulatory notes, with Devine offering especially complimentary comments on Manaforts work. Devine said he told Manafort that he had brought tremendous discipline to Yanukovychs effort. He explained to the jury that campaigns often go awry when they go off message. But the Ukrainians campaign delivered the message with numbing repetition, thanks to Manafort.
That night, Devine and Manafort exchanged congratulatory notes, with Devine offering especially complimentary comments on Manaforts work. Devine said he told Manafort that he had brought tremendous discipline to Yanukovychs effort. He explained to the jury that campaigns often go awry when they go off message. But the Ukrainians campaign delivered the message with numbing repetition, thanks to Manafort.
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How is it I never knew Tad Devine was a cohort of Paul Manafort? [View all]
redstateblues
Jul 2018
OP
Since you posted the same thing in multiple posts I will just copy my response
Power 2 the People
Jul 2018
#24
You are either accidentally or deliberately conflating two OPPOSING Ukrainian politicians.
pnwmom
Aug 2018
#55
After it's been explained multiple times, you can only conclude that it's on purpose.
kcr
Aug 2018
#66
Thank you George II and Me for this appalling info. I cannot keep up without help. nt
Hekate
Jul 2018
#21
Nice deflection but you accused Devine of originating that stupid chant.
Power 2 the People
Jul 2018
#22
Yep.You realized your false assumption about Devine was blown up by facts so you pivoted
Power 2 the People
Jul 2018
#27
You can't tell the difference between Putin's YANUKOVYCH and his opponent YUSCHENKO.
pnwmom
Aug 2018
#54
My link demonstrated that the people behind Yanukovych, who were directly aided by...
George II
Jul 2018
#26
The part about Devine starting the chant was a misguided assumption not based in fact
Power 2 the People
Jul 2018
#30
They all worked in Ukraine politics. That's the point. Yet it is only Devine being smeared here
Power 2 the People
Aug 2018
#47
That is like saying that Hillary and Trump are both the same because they're both American.
pnwmom
Aug 2018
#57
The only one who was still very active in American Democratic politics AFTER....
George II
Aug 2018
#76
No. Read your own article. Penn and Greenberg worked for a politician who OPPOSED
pnwmom
Aug 2018
#56
Apparently the defense team wanted to make Manafort look Democratic friendly
redstateblues
Jul 2018
#6
I don't feel like a money grubber would be playing on our team in the first place
sarah FAILIN
Jul 2018
#11
We've known that here since early 2016. What's more shocking is that he is CURRENTLY advising
OnDoutside
Jul 2018
#3
I'm a DU junkie since 2004. It was not plastered on the walls on a daily basis.
redstateblues
Jul 2018
#36
According to a spokesman, Devine was appearing at the Special Counsel's request.
lapucelle
Aug 2018
#81