Handgun type used on Sikhs is mass shooting weapon of choice

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181. It disproves your supposed correlation, so I understand why you avoid it.

Before the UK (or the US) had gun control, the UK's *murder rate* was still five times less than ours.

So obviously, "loose gun laws" had no impact (since they didn't exist in either place).

Comparing the UK today to the US and making the erroneous conclusion that because one has stricter gun control and a lower murder rate that gun control must be responsible- it doesn't logically follow- especially when the same was true (comparing murder rates) before there was *any* gun control.

There are a million and one things that you could claim correlation *at this point in time* and then imply causation.

The UK has the NHS, and we don't have single payer- look at their murder rate compared to ours!

The UK is a series of islands and we're not- look at their murder rate compared to ours!

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No, what you'd need to show correlation would be a trend over time- if the UK's murder rate dropped after implementing gun control (which it didn't), then you'd have at least correlation- from which you could try to determine causation.