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ehrnst

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86. What war criminals are you talking about?

Thu Aug 2, 2018, 09:32 AM

Aug 2018

As if you have the guts to be specific.

No one here is apologizing for war criminals - with the possible exception of those here trying to portray John Podesta as Tony Podesta, in a desperate effort to make Tad Devine's resume look benign as far as Democratic POTUS campaign managers go.

But do go on. Chris seems to have dropped out of the discussion. Perhaps he's been humbled by all the fact checking on his false accusations of HRC's campaign manager "making money off dictators for years."

It appears you are in the same camp, so can you expound?

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The deep cynicism of Bernie Sanders's chief strategist [View all] ehrnst Aug 2018 OP

Tad Devine is a Hypocrite. Cha Aug 2018 #1

With a record as an enabler of money grubbing murderous authoritarians ehrnst Aug 2018 #4

Yeah, it's sickening the way they Project.. you cannot make this shite up. Cha Aug 2018 #7

And we sucked down every tweet like a six year old sucks down Hershey bars ucrdem Aug 2018 #10

Too bad we(those who didn't suck it down).. Cha Aug 2018 #16

Some of us. Not all of us. calimary Aug 2018 #68

He's never been a major part of a winning presidential campaign Renew Deal Aug 2018 #58

But he's gotten rich by losing. George II Aug 2018 #103

Which really begs the question as to WHY this would be the case Hekate Aug 2018 #155

I don't know, but... George II Aug 2018 #162

That is Devine's track record Gothmog Aug 2018 #176

It seems that many people already agree with you... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #208

A mercenary Cha Aug 2018 #209

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #2

Oh yes.. the WHATABOUT Hillary? talking point. Cha Aug 2018 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #5

Fucking tad devine.. worked with manafort to install a "murderous authoritarian and his allies" Cha Aug 2018 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #11

Who are they defending? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #13

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #14

Examining Tad Devine's record is "trashing Sanders?" ehrnst Aug 2018 #20

I wonder why they dont want to know about it. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #169

Poor BS Cha Aug 2018 #23

Then how is it when BS calls the Democratic Party Cha Aug 2018 #35

"ignoring Dana Milbank blaming Bill Clinton for Trump" ehrnst Aug 2018 #39

We're not ignoring anything MaryMagdaline Aug 2018 #57

And he's no longer on DU. ehrnst Aug 2018 #138

And it wasn't even the CORRECT Podesta!!! George II Aug 2018 #140

Don't put words in my mouth, Chris Studio. Cha Aug 2018 #22

Devine and Manafort both ran the opposition campaign R B Garr Aug 2018 #51

It sounds like you are trying to trash Dems in a misguided effort to ehrnst Aug 2018 #24

Oh, you're trying to "unite the Dems" by trying to spread lies about John Podesta ehrnst Aug 2018 #65

False Equivalency justie18 Aug 2018 #75

The poster has been told that - but replies with "they both made millions off dictators." ehrnst Aug 2018 #76

Who is "working with the Saudis"? George II Aug 2018 #105

Yes, why is it none of the people currently in power answer for their own actions MaryMagdaline Aug 2018 #54

John Podesta never lobbied for Saudi Arabia - that was his brother Tony... ehrnst Aug 2018 #6

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #9

He ran campaigns to put authoritarian into power, and keep them and their allies in power? ehrnst Aug 2018 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #19

Oh bullshit, Chris.. quit desperately trying to shutdown Cha Aug 2018 #25

I think you might want to explore what Democratic Underground's purpose is ehrnst Aug 2018 #32

You are confusing Tony and John Podesta. ehrnst Aug 2018 #52

Devine and Manafort. Devine and Manafort both ran R B Garr Aug 2018 #53

Tony Podesta did not work on the HRC campaign. Adrahil Aug 2018 #81

And making false statements to support their whataboutism/false equivalency... ehrnst Aug 2018 #93

Devine and Manafort. They enriched themselves all while conducting a campaign of lies R B Garr Aug 2018 #83

Podesta clarification justie18 Aug 2018 #36

Apparently the Chris doesn't make a distinction. ehrnst Aug 2018 #59

Hmm... a spanking new poster thinking about "walking away." I totally buy it. Squinch Aug 2018 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Aug 2018 #108

welcome to DU gopiscrap Aug 2018 #185

Ya gotta love apologists for war criminals Augiedog Aug 2018 #38

You gotta love apologists for tad devine working with Manafort Cha Aug 2018 #42

What would be wrong with supporting the Magnitsky Act?? Are those types R B Garr Aug 2018 #84

What war criminals are you talking about? ehrnst Aug 2018 #86

Do explain Hekate Aug 2018 #161

Ah, the "But Hillary" deflection mcar Aug 2018 #45

Not just Podesta and Devine. Mark Penn's firms have been involved Autumn Aug 2018 #46

Why yes, that's so relevant to this article about Tad Devine. ehrnst Aug 2018 #77

Yes it is very relevant, thanks for acknowledging that fact, Autumn Aug 2018 #79

Not seeing in your post anything to support your whataboutism or that negates the OpEd. ehrnst Aug 2018 #87

A post in a thread about Tad Devine, his work in the Ukraine. A post about Autumn Aug 2018 #98

Whataboutism: ehrnst Aug 2018 #125

. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #127

A perfect whataboutism . Autumn Aug 2018 #141

Got nothin, do ya? ehrnst Aug 2018 #187

What's irrelevant is "whatevs." Autumn Aug 2018 #189

I just said that you left it out of your ehrnst Aug 2018 #190

I addressed the post very well.Are you now the post police? Autumn Aug 2018 #192

You can continue to post non-answers ehrnst Aug 2018 #193

Devine and Manafort ran the opposition campaigns R B Garr Aug 2018 #143

Article title: "The deep cynicism of Bernie Sanders' R B Garr Aug 2018 #144

There you go again. Did you read this? Autumn Aug 2018 #146

I do give a f**k about Devine. How absurd that R B Garr Aug 2018 #147

Try reading what I posted and stop trying to misrepresent what I said. Autumn Aug 2018 #156

You keep trying to divert attention away from Devine and Manafort R B Garr Aug 2018 #167

That timeline has been totally debunked by recent emails. That he lied about the timing and those bettyellen Aug 2018 #153

This "fact" appears to be wrong. lapucelle Aug 2018 #182

Devine was working with Manafort and Kilimnik in June 2014, lapucelle Aug 2018 #188

What a smart, patriotic person would do is want to know the truth, period. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #170

That's an excellent question, Eliot mcar Aug 2018 #173

I am not implying the Bernie people here are involved, actually. I think Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #174

I'm all for transparency mcar Aug 2018 #181

Exactly. Some were not too interested in the Russia interference scandal, but now that R B Garr Aug 2018 #183

Yep, particularly your last paragraph stevenleser Aug 2018 #205

That's TONY Podesta, not John Podesta. I don't think Tony worked on any.... George II Aug 2018 #120

+1 n/t ejbr Aug 2018 #47

"We" are not fighting each other. Tad Devine is not one of us MaryMagdaline Aug 2018 #50

+1000 ehrnst Aug 2018 #133

Big difference. The Clintons have shown decades of tax returns and withstood MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #60

Yes. nt Skidmore Aug 2018 #71

There is a reason and a SERIOUS one why we cant see them! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #171

+1. KPN Aug 2018 #88

Do we get to quote anti-Bernie folks about who cost Hillary the Presidency?? R B Garr Aug 2018 #90

It sounds like Devine, like Manafort, brer cat Aug 2018 #12

Working for Ukraine authoritarians and Bernie's senate campaign at the same time. ehrnst Aug 2018 #33

Questions a patriot would ask. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #172

That "other firm" is Old Towne Media, LLC, a media company about which very little information.... George II Aug 2018 #129

Focus people, Republicans! Brogrizzly Aug 2018 #15

STFU? We're not supposed to talk about Tad Devine's political resume? ehrnst Aug 2018 #18

You're insulting with your "STFU".. who are you to Cha Aug 2018 #21

Telling ppl on a discussion board to STFU isn't really an effective point irisblue Aug 2018 #26

WTH does the name "Tad" brer cat Aug 2018 #27

*Facepalm* look at the title Brogrizzly Aug 2018 #28

What "title" has something to do with being named "Tad?" brer cat Aug 2018 #40

This isn't about 2016, Sanders or Clinton. It's about Tad Devine in the years leading up to 2014. ehrnst Aug 2018 #29

this is related to trump. Hillary was the victim of the Russian attack on the elections JI7 Aug 2018 #30

Apology accepted. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #34

Thank you, Brogrizzly. Cha Aug 2018 #37

I just get so damn mad Brogrizzly Aug 2018 #41

Yeah, I get mad, too.. and sometimes Cha Aug 2018 #44

We can talk about more than one thing - the Manafort trial and the child abductions. Otherwise ehrnst Aug 2018 #55

If only the attack of the D party would stop, maybe others would but it wasnt but Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #177

...yeah Brogrizzly Aug 2018 #184

Yeah, sure... Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #194

How laughable. A political "consultant" is being exposed as a hypocrite, R B Garr Aug 2018 #197

Look, I get your dig, maybe it's deserved. Brogrizzly Aug 2018 #201

Watching and commenting about current news certainly R B Garr Aug 2018 #202

Right, well I'm thinking more of an argument of past vs future tenses. Brogrizzly Aug 2018 #203

Your concern is noted. A lot of concern over upsetting R B Garr Aug 2018 #204

A person closely connected with Manafort being Hortensis Aug 2018 #31

Facts Me. Aug 2018 #118

Even though he was only temporarily on the Democratic Party teat, Hortensis Aug 2018 #132

And Yet Me. Aug 2018 #142

:) He seems to have been trying to build a power base Hortensis Aug 2018 #159

What we need are people to get to the point where single payer is less important to them Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #175

Absolutely. It would also help if they realized Hortensis Aug 2018 #191

ANY Comment that we should not focus on Russia is a KGB talking point, btw Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #195

+1000. So is the claim seen everywhere that Hortensis Aug 2018 #196

K&R mcar Aug 2018 #43

It's the contrast Lulu KC Aug 2018 #48

. progressoid Aug 2018 #49

. . ehrnst Aug 2018 #70

A mercenary is, after all, the ultimate cynic DFW Aug 2018 #56

+1000 ehrnst Aug 2018 #61

You know, what I like to tell people... louis c Aug 2018 #62

It's a good thing it is brought up here daily. progressoid Aug 2018 #67

It was Sanders's voters who stayed home, voted 3rd party or wrote in in 2016 louis c Aug 2018 #72

Really? Got some stats to support that opinion? progressoid Aug 2018 #99

You want to compare McCain to Trump? louis c Aug 2018 #101

I'm not comparing McCain to Trump. progressoid Aug 2018 #114

That doesn't explain the Sanders' voters louis c Aug 2018 #115

It's not irrelevent knowledge progressoid Aug 2018 #130

I offer this without comment radical noodle Aug 2018 #186

I offer this without comment progressoid Aug 2018 #211

Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania emulatorloo Aug 2018 #207

I'm guessing you didn't actually read the link you provided. progressoid Aug 2018 #210

Of course I read the link. Morris crunched Schaffner's numbers, that's how they came out for those emulatorloo Aug 2018 #215

Yes the McCain administration was a nightmare. I will never forget it. emulatorloo Aug 2018 #109

! MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #166

Oh, noes! What's been revealed in the Manafort trial is going to stop people from voting!!! ehrnst Aug 2018 #200

Kick...nt SidDithers Aug 2018 #206

Thanks for the analysis. progressoid Aug 2018 #212

Oh. What a burn... ehrnst Aug 2018 #213

Propaganda at Work Roy Rolling Aug 2018 #63

The RuBots are strong in this thread... Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #64

Especially the ones trying to say that John Podesta did far worse than Tad Devine ehrnst Aug 2018 #74

Yeah, Intellectual dishonesty never goes out of style at DU emulatorloo Aug 2018 #110

I wonder what the longest space between posts on that awful Bernie Sanders has been el_bryanto Aug 2018 #66

This is a post concerning Tad Devine. ehrnst Aug 2018 #69

Sure. Sure. Keep telling yourself that. progressoid Aug 2018 #96

To me this is mostly a post about hypocrisy. thucythucy Aug 2018 #116

Yes. mcar Aug 2018 #136

"Equally?" It's about how Tad Devine seems to have a cynicism about 'ethics' ehrnst Aug 2018 #128

He actually went from campaigning for Sanders, then to campaigning for a murderous autocrat.... George II Aug 2018 #135

Sorry, I should have been more specific - Sanders and Devine are mentioned equally in the progressoid Aug 2018 #168

You might want to read the OP Cha Aug 2018 #73

Don't worry I know i'm supposed to hate Bernie Sanders. el_bryanto Aug 2018 #100

Don't you worry.. nobody cares about that crap. Cha Aug 2018 #106

For something nobody cares about some people sure post a lot of posts about it. nt el_bryanto Aug 2018 #112

Sorry you're not understanding. Nobody gives a CRAP Cha Aug 2018 #164

It is a well done WP article Gothmog Aug 2018 #117

I Guess News Shouldn't Be Reported Me. Aug 2018 #121

Oh we know that!!! Too bad.. Cha Aug 2018 #165

So Much Bad Judgment Going On Over There Me. Aug 2018 #179

Yes, and trying to blame Cha Aug 2018 #180

Devine and Manafort. One is on trial now. That is what this current news R B Garr Aug 2018 #85

K&R sheshe2 Aug 2018 #78

Rec. nt LexVegas Aug 2018 #80

And we wonder why people don't vote. Get money out of politics! KPN Aug 2018 #89

As long as TV ads are part of campaigns, along with airline tix, paid staff ehrnst Aug 2018 #92

I did say "there's a bit of idealism for you", did I not? KPN Aug 2018 #97

Still not clear on what campaign finance reform and people not voting has to ehrnst Aug 2018 #119

Sure. Some people don't vote because they KPN Aug 2018 #131

So... how is this related to the OP? ehrnst Aug 2018 #134

I'm sure you can extrapolate. KPN Aug 2018 #145

You think that people aren't voting because of Tad Devine's past? ehrnst Aug 2018 #148

Well, I guess I was wrong. KPN Aug 2018 #158

Being deliberately vague to avoid running afoul of guidelines ehrnst Aug 2018 #163

I guess tad devine's history of hypocrisy Cha Aug 2018 #111

Paul Manafort worked for free! lololololololol R B Garr Aug 2018 #95

Great editorial Gothmog Aug 2018 #91

Please, let's not start a Bernie v. Hillary war. zanana1 Aug 2018 #94

I'm not doing that. Please address those who are. ehrnst Aug 2018 #104

Please get a grip.. this is Not about Hillary. Cha Aug 2018 #107

Who is doing that? mcar Aug 2018 #137

Bernie isn't a Democratic candidate either. nt TexasTowelie Aug 2018 #150

Good point mcar Aug 2018 #152

Considering this is nothing about Hillary, there is no sanders v Hillary war all american girl Aug 2018 #151

Wow, that last sentence above is biting! George II Aug 2018 #102

Looks like the Post prefers " 's " sl8 Aug 2018 #113

I was taught that when a word ends with "s", the apostrophe goes after the "s".... George II Aug 2018 #122

AP Style agrees with you, but NYT style won out with WAPO. ehrnst Aug 2018 #124

Here are the rules for formal writing. lapucelle Aug 2018 #160

NYT style on punctuation: ehrnst Aug 2018 #123

this crew was going to work for Poroshenko makes me worry about Ukraine MattP Aug 2018 #126

KnR Hekate Aug 2018 #139

For background and context this Salon piece is interesting. lapucelle Aug 2018 #149

Ironic: George II Aug 2018 #154

And as much Sanders rails against the professional political class, campaign aides say he is willing Cha Aug 2018 #178

Interesting. ehrnst Aug 2018 #199

K&R betsuni Aug 2018 #157

Drain the Swamp TM yardwork Aug 2018 #198

I think Bernie will be getting a new chief strategist when he runs next time. jalan48 Aug 2018 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Aug 2018 #218

From my twitter feed Gothmog Aug 2018 #216

Remember Devine and Manafort communicated *during* the campaign too. KitSileya Aug 2018 #217