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141. Onward Together was organized as a superpac, not a 501(c)(4)

Fri Aug 3, 2018, 09:58 AM

Aug 2018

notwithstanding the currently inaccurate, early CNN report you cite from May 2017. (CNN, the NYT, and all the right-leaning news sources made the same mistake. Only Vox got it right when they noted that the organizational structure was still undetermined at the initial announcement in May 2017.)

If HRC and Howard Dean had organized as a 501(c)(4), it would not have been problematic in the same way as Our Revolution's troubling decision.

Clinton and Dean are private citizens and haven't spent the last two years bleating nonsense and sowing seeds of doubt about fellow Democrats with "good money" versus "bad money" narratives.

If you have a problem with LLC fundraising, take it up with Brand New Campaign.
If you have a problem with 527s, take it up with Act Blue.
If you have a problem with 501(c)(4)s, take it up with Our Revolution.
If you have a problem with pacs, take it up with Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress.
If you have a problem with superpacs, take it up with National Nurses United.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/15/15643356/clinton-funding-resistance-onward-together

https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C00638874&cycle=2018

https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C90017005&cycle=2016

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00630665&cycle=2018

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00613810&cycle=2018

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00490375

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MI-GOV: Abdul continues his daily scorched earth attacks against Whitmer. [View all] RandySF Aug 2018 OP

Great... this bullshit again! Adrahil Aug 2018 #1

If the shoe fits... Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #2

Too bad the BS guy isn't too bright.. Cha Aug 2018 #10

What exactly is not true about that tweet? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #16

Bad messaging.. the disingenuos smears on Gretchen Whitmer are "utter nonsense" Cha Aug 2018 #18

Your attempt to answer my question only begged more questions Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #20

El Sayed has bad messaging.. doesn't set a good example Cha Aug 2018 #22

And how is using a super pac with millions of dollars in unreported donors sending a positive messag Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #24

It's a lie heaven05 Aug 2018 #56

Thank you. brer cat Aug 2018 #123

It's not a superpac. It's a 527 just like Act Blue. lapucelle Aug 2018 #60

Thank You for all the information about 501s, lapucelle! Cha Aug 2018 #107

Are you aware that Our Revolution is not required to disclose their donors to either the IRS or the emulatorloo Aug 2018 #63

Does that mean it's a dark money PAC? comradebillyboy Aug 2018 #101

Our Revolution a dark money 501(c)(4). lapucelle Aug 2018 #117

Taking dark money was a suprise to those who were in on the start of OR ehrnst Aug 2018 #148

Well, Gretchen Whitmer has no superpac, and the 527 Ninsianna Aug 2018 #205

He's one of those our revolution people heaven05 Aug 2018 #55

Yes, it's Clear El Sayed only cares about himself. Cha Aug 2018 #58

Our Revolution is a dark money group. lapucelle Aug 2018 #61

yep heaven05 Aug 2018 #62

So is Onward Together, the dark-money group established by Hillary Clinton Jim Lane Aug 2018 #136

Onward Together was organized as a superpac, not a 501(c)(4) lapucelle Aug 2018 #141

It's confusing. Our Revolution exploits this confusion to push their smear campaigns. kcr Aug 2018 #154

Along the lines of their slur of Sri Kulkarni in Texas a few months ago. George II Aug 2018 #157

Onward Together's own website says it's a 501(c)(4) Jim Lane Aug 2018 #162

Oh dear... lapucelle Aug 2018 #173

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #195

Yes, that's the lie that Abdul El Sayed and his dark money backers are Ninsianna Aug 2018 #209

You cite FEC regulations, not all of which apply here. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #217

His implications are toxic and dirty, and people are not pleased with how he's been Ninsianna Aug 2018 #222

Please clarify about Crain's coverage Jim Lane Aug 2018 #231

Crain's engaged in speculation, they could not back up anything they implied. Ninsianna Aug 2018 #236

You are completely mischaracterizing what Crain's wrote Jim Lane Aug 2018 #237

You seem to be ignoring what Crains wrote and their speculation. Ninsianna Aug 2018 #238

Your accusation is that Crain's had no evidence for what it didn't say. That's total BS. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #239

Thank you for clearing up the misinformation that has clearly filtered down to DU.(nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #163

A further exegesis follows, complicated by the utter opacity lapucelle Aug 2018 #174

I suspect it is the result of ehrnst Aug 2018 #207

It included a very sad tale about a young man lapucelle Aug 2018 #210

OMG - it took MORE THAN A MONTH ehrnst Aug 2018 #212

You mean like "establishment Democrat" is a perjorative term with no ehrnst Aug 2018 #166

You appear not to have read this thread carefully Jim Lane Aug 2018 #184

I see blocking you from PM'ing me only makes things worse for everyone else here ehrnst Aug 2018 #204

Onward Together comprises three entities: lapucelle Aug 2018 #213

A Pizzagate reference? Really? lapucelle Aug 2018 #214

Is Onward Together somehow involved in the MI governors race? Ninsianna Aug 2018 #203

How is calling out the lies and smears this guy engages in "nonsense" Ninsianna Aug 2018 #202

What "shoe"? Looks like El-Sayed has put his foot in his mouth. George II Aug 2018 #114

Again uponit7771 Aug 2018 #196

Obviously the shoe doesn't fit. betsuni Aug 2018 #116

Where are Bernie's tax returns? Where did his campaign donations come from? yardwork Aug 2018 #158

Thank You for bringing that up, yardwork. Cha Aug 2018 #175

Lovely. The 2018 equivalent of "her speeches." Bleacher Creature Aug 2018 #3

He has a teacher. Blue_true Aug 2018 #9

Amen! Cha Aug 2018 #11

How is Sherri doing? nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #12

Sherry Alu Campagna is still pushing for debates Cha Aug 2018 #14

Get everyone you know to vote and hope for the best. nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #15

If he hurts Whitmer enough for the Republican to win the general comradebillyboy Aug 2018 #4

What does he really care about Cha Aug 2018 #13

Not sure how that is "trolling for trump supporters" Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #27

Keep wondering.. plenty of people see it. Cha Aug 2018 #28

K. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #29

El Sayed is trying to Smear Gretchen Whitmer.. NOT Working.. Cha Aug 2018 #31

Still to me looks like the only smearing going on is Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #33

That's too bad you can't see it.. this is a tweet on his latest Cha Aug 2018 #35

"Smear" implies the information is not true Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #36

How about accusing your opponent of a Federal crime without evidence? Cha Aug 2018 #37

Another strawman not worth addressing. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #41

lol@"strawman".. Michigan Voter.. Cha Aug 2018 #43

So, where's your evidence she commited the federal crime of money laundering? kcr Aug 2018 #39

Oh? He said she laundered money? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #42

Right here kcr Aug 2018 #45

He's done... LuvLoogie Aug 2018 #59

Citation provided via screenshot. lapucelle Aug 2018 #96

Screenshots weren't loading for me before apparently. Sorry Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #104

You don't think that falsely and publicly accusing an opponent of a federal crime lapucelle Aug 2018 #182

He deleted it.. Cha Aug 2018 #179

".. he's willfully spreading disinformation and defamation because he's desperate." Cha Aug 2018 #44

It isn't true. El Sayed edited his tweet, lapucelle Aug 2018 #92

Really? Link? Screenshot? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #97

How many times do I have to post the screenshot? This will be the third. lapucelle Aug 2018 #100

I guess that poster doesn't want to play anymore now that facts are being brought in. MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #132

Because he saw he was wrong. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #218

The irony... ehrnst Aug 2018 #225

What? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #230

,,, lapucelle Aug 2018 #102

Really? LOL betsuni Aug 2018 #119

lol n/t kcr Aug 2018 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #130

Oh get fucking real. MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #129

why mention Trump at all? Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2018 #51

are you saying you prefer trump over Bernie? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #53

Poster said nothing of the sort. emulatorloo Aug 2018 #65

That's why I asked, to clarify Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #83

Oh FFS... SidDithers Aug 2018 #73

are you being obtuse? Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2018 #140

Are you? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #147

is this the guy endorsed by bernie sanders? nt msongs Aug 2018 #5

Yeah RandySF Aug 2018 #6

Yes and Nina.. Cha Aug 2018 #26

YES heaven05 Aug 2018 #57

I like Abdul..but I also like Whitmer Buckeyeblue Aug 2018 #7

For starters he's the only candidate who is backing medicare for all Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #17

I don't care what he's endorsing.. El Sayed is showing he's Cha Aug 2018 #19

He is the better candidate because he reports all of his donors Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #21

El Sayed is definitely Not the better candidate. Cha Aug 2018 #23

We can agree to disagree. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #25

El Sayed is exposing himself as desperate with his wild Cha Aug 2018 #46

no Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #47

Yes, El Sayed has terrible judgement. Cha Aug 2018 #48

Like using a super PAC to hide contributions? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #49

El Sayed is accusing Gretchen of a Federal Crime with Cha Aug 2018 #50

Actually he didn't Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #71

Educate yourself.. he deleted his freaking tweet Cha Aug 2018 #74

Our Revolution is a dark money group. Not required to disclose donors to the IRS or FEC emulatorloo Aug 2018 #66

Thank You, Cha Aug 2018 #70

I can't even emulatorloo Aug 2018 #72

Me neither. Cha Aug 2018 #75

Somehow they still do. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #76

Link? emulatorloo Aug 2018 #77

That was a direct quote from their website found here Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #78

Thanks for the link. Then why was it set up as a 501c4? emulatorloo Aug 2018 #79

The donors are listed on the site and when you donate you are required to disclose your information Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #82

"The admittedly do not disclose all donors". Nuff said, they are not accountable to the IRS nor FEC emulatorloo Aug 2018 #85

Donations under 200 are not required to be reported anyways Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #87

You are missing the point. If they wanted to be "transparent" they would not be a 501c4 emulatorloo Aug 2018 #90

I think whether they report them or not is easy to tell Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #93

Justice Democrats also pay out huge consultancy fees - which was their criticism of the DNC. JHan Aug 2018 #88

Link? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #89

Yes one of their big critiques of the DNC was the use of consultants.. JHan Aug 2018 #105

Thank you for posting this. Interesting. betsuni Aug 2018 #109

Can you give me a link where they are criticizing the use of consultants? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #112

Here ya go: ehrnst Aug 2018 #113

Thanks! Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #143

There are mulitple statements dissing "consultants" that make it very clear what they think ehrnst Aug 2018 #149

You keep asking for links, insinuating we are liars. betsuni Aug 2018 #115

Odd when people never acknowledge the linky goodness they demand. lapucelle Aug 2018 #124

I explained this in a previous post which has not been acknowledged. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #144

... betsuni Aug 2018 #178

Right back atcha! Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #180

... betsuni Aug 2018 #193

Actually i explained this in a previous post which has not been acknowledged Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #146

Seems like Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress trade money back and forth! Details: George II Aug 2018 #133

Yep, it all looks very suspect. JHan Aug 2018 #150

That's pretty Skidmore Aug 2018 #159

Bingo. Because part of those "ideals" involved fracturing the Democratic party. LisaM Aug 2018 #176

Not to worry. theaocp Aug 2018 #181

These kinds of attacks impeach his judgment. Adrahil Aug 2018 #38

Well said. n/t emulatorloo Aug 2018 #80

Has Our Relvolution given him any material support dsc Aug 2018 #99

... Scurrilous Aug 2018 #8

A Wealthy Opportunist Is Playing Michigan Progressives For Fools tirebiter Aug 2018 #30

He is the real enemy. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #34

Is he slinging mud at other Democrats? Adrahil Aug 2018 #40

He only recently decided to run as a Democrat last fall Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #185

I wonder what reason El Sayed is being attacked? GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #52

El Sayed is the one attacking Whitmer and accusing her of money laundering JI7 Aug 2018 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Aug 2018 #172

For this thread Gothmog Aug 2018 #32

no matter what Abdul alleges heaven05 Aug 2018 #54

He's trying to walk it back. lapucelle Aug 2018 #64

Well, genius.. You weren't "Clear" when you Cha Aug 2018 #68

Thank you, Cha, for posting so many tweets. I appreciate it. betsuni Aug 2018 #94

No problem, betsuni.. The arrogance and the Gaslighting Cha Aug 2018 #106

Now that's a Democrat! United against Republicans who want to destroy America. betsuni Aug 2018 #108

Exactly! Cha Aug 2018 #111

If Whitmer brings a defamation suit, she will lose. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #138

Abdul El Sayed accused her of "money laundering" like Cha Aug 2018 #177

This guy's an a****** uponit7771 Aug 2018 #197

Agreed! And, who wants that Cha Aug 2018 #199

Hand sanders really endorsed him? uponit7771 Aug 2018 #200

Of course. Cha Aug 2018 #208

I googled legal money laundering sheshe2 Aug 2018 #164

"Give me a break, Abdul. You've received $170,000 from corporate executives lapucelle Aug 2018 #206

lol Love the quote. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #216

This is also in his twitter feed. lapucelle Aug 2018 #67

Cult of personality? comradebillyboy Aug 2018 #103

I wonder what would irk Lucas/Disney more... lapucelle Aug 2018 #118

Jesus fucking Christ ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #69

Whitmer or we can kiss this governorship goodbye. PrairieBlueCat Aug 2018 #81

I'm for whoever Michael Moore endorses. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #84

just out of curiosity - why base your endorsement on someone else's endorsement? JHan Aug 2018 #86

Michael is a Flint, Michigan native mountain grammy Aug 2018 #91

He'd probably want you to think for yourself. emulatorloo Aug 2018 #95

Do you live in MI? mountain grammy Aug 2018 #120

I grew up in Flint, and I'm a big fan of Michael's. kcr Aug 2018 #128

Like I said, I'll support whoever wins the primary. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #135

Great post, kcr.. Exactly! Cha Aug 2018 #188

So suggesting a thoughtful guy like Moore emulatorloo Aug 2018 #161

Not even close to what I said but you do tend to make it up as you go along. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #165

Sorry you took offense to my observation about Moore's style emulatorloo Aug 2018 #170

.. Cha Aug 2018 #192

That's Not true what you said about emulatorloo.. Cha Aug 2018 #189

If you don't live in Michigan then why are you involved in their primary? yardwork Aug 2018 #219

Yes, but he's not the only person who cares for Michigan? JHan Aug 2018 #98

He's put his money where he comes mountain grammy Aug 2018 #121

I want democrats elected. I don't need to go into details about my own activism.. JHan Aug 2018 #127

that's nice of you.. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #131

El Sayed has done nothing but attack Cha Aug 2018 #186

Abdul is connecting with voters. James48 Aug 2018 #110

According to RCP, Abdul is running dead last in all the polling. Whitmer is +20. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #122

Thank you! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #167

Hey She! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #168

Back at ya, Tarheel sheshe2 Aug 2018 #169

Good to Know, Tarheel! Is that why El Sayed Cha Aug 2018 #190

I just love the internet. You can't hide from your lies, even if you delete them. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #220

.. Cha Aug 2018 #221

More baloney, lol. MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #134

Huh?? According to polling he has been stuck in the teens since June. honest.abe Aug 2018 #137

I'll play awesomerwb1 Aug 2018 #151

Play away! honest.abe Aug 2018 #152

My bad, replied to the wrong post awesomerwb1 Aug 2018 #153

No problem. honest.abe Aug 2018 #155

Here are the RCP averages: George II Aug 2018 #139

Abdul is getting Major Pushback on Twitter for stupidly accusing Cha Aug 2018 #187

Abdul is the candidate who didn't decide until KCDebbie Aug 2018 #126

Um... that was Thanedar PassingFair Aug 2018 #142

Thank you so much for clearing that up! KCDebbie Aug 2018 #145

Umm...they've been here since 2003 - you've been here a month...wtf is this shit? n/t Fix The Stupid Aug 2018 #160

I'm playing the long con... PassingFair Aug 2018 #171

This is sick. He is trying to hand the election to the Republican. yardwork Aug 2018 #156

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #198

These attacks are pissing me off Gothmog Aug 2018 #183

I think this hyperfocus on campaign finance is killing the progressive movement. kcr Aug 2018 #194

Thank you! The GOP are by far the biggest beneficiaries of corporate donations. betsuni Aug 2018 #201

Bingo. It's propaganda and it's having its intended effect. yardwork Aug 2018 #211

+a million! This is getting to the essence of it all. R B Garr Aug 2018 #215

Nah. SkyDancer Aug 2018 #223

Yeah. Too bad no one's talking about that now, right? kcr Aug 2018 #224

Does this really surprise anyone? ehrnst Aug 2018 #226

Yup. TAD is STILL on Bernie's payroll. Doing just what he & Manafort did for Putin in the Ukraine. Wwcd Aug 2018 #228

These attacks are silly and sad Gothmog Aug 2018 #227

She is now saying the same thing about him. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #229

Here is another great endorsement for Whitmer Gothmog Aug 2018 #232

Great! Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #233

I hope that Whitmer wins by a good margin Gothmog Aug 2018 #234

We'll see how it goes Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #235