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JCanete

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49. But if we aren't reaching Trump voters, then the argument for shying away from progressive
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 05:51 PM
Aug 2018


populism is even worse. Then there's no excuse really. Why wouldn't we want to excite our base? Failures aside, we are already the party identified as focusing on ending systemic racism and sexism. Clinton put a whole lot of eggs in the basket of breaking that glass ceiling. We shouldn't stop being that party. But we can't reduce ourselves to being the party of a more inclusive elite, who believe in "opportunity" for everybody, rather than actual economic justice for everyone. We have to deal in a big way with economic stratification.

But why don't you think they are reachable anyway? Some voted for Obama and then voted for Trump. How did that shit happen?

Sure, these voters are voting for their perceived cultural/social interests which have been fed to them for their whole lives, and again, its that economic component that has to be disrupted. They are being distracted on purpose with bullshit, and we should be turning the people doing that work into the boogie men. We should be giving these people a different villain. That is the narrative. This villain is robbing them blind, fooling them stupid, and laughing to the bank. Instead, we play into it and go after the minions. We attack the "deplorables." We end up contributing to the divide rather than finding ways to bridge it.

Dangle real relief right in their face and see if they turn that down in favor of their bigotry. I assure you that if they truly understand what they are getting, that its not some vague nonsense involving bringing bankers and other bigwigs to the table to hash out somethign that's good for everybody...they will snatch at it. Maybe just 3 to 5 percent....maybe only a couple percent. But it isn't a message that is bad for democrats and the democratic base, and it is a message that could grab just enough reachable people on the other side.

Who are the people who don't want a 15 dollar minimum wage? those who make 10? Who are the people who don't want free college tuition or actual healthcare? These things all poll well.

Also, as I already posted to this OP, I wholly disagree that there isn't a criticism to be made against a certian kind of identity politics campaigning. It is not effective to say there's a special place in hell for women who don't vote for Clinton. It is not effective to say that Welder should just throw away his campaign and betray his supporters because a Native American woman entered the race. That is the kind of "identity politics" Sanders attempted to narrow the definition down to. He said it was about how these candidates fight for issues that affect those communities, not about how they themselves identify, and he's right about that.

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Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #1
Welcome to DU. RandySF Aug 2018 #2
Bravo Senator Harris comradebillyboy Aug 2018 #3
K&R, Good for her uponit7771 Aug 2018 #4
She's right, of course GaryCnf Aug 2018 #5
K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #6
Identity politics. Caliman73 Aug 2018 #7
Recommended. eom guillaumeb Aug 2018 #8
The "white working class/economic anxiety" argument is itself rooted in racism. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #9
And the right wing pushes that narrative while consisting of nothing BUT "identity politics" deurbano Aug 2018 #10
Republican officials know that the viability of their party depends on racism and sexism. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #16
We all do that these days. MadDAsHell Aug 2018 #18
Race, ethnicity, gender (etc.) can be salient for some discussions, but my mom says stuff like: deurbano Aug 2018 #21
the same narrative has not been pushed by the left as the right and the mainstream media have JCanete Aug 2018 #24
The argument from both some on the left and those on the right has been... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #42
The economics of the thing is still the crux of it all. I don't care why people believe they are JCanete Aug 2018 #46
You think Trump voters are reachable via "a better narrative." Garrett78 Aug 2018 #47
But if we aren't reaching Trump voters, then the argument for shying away from progressive JCanete Aug 2018 #49
Reaching Trump voters isn't the goal, nor should it be. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #50
The GOP are snake-oil salesmen pecosbob Aug 2018 #11
Agreed, but who gets to decide when an issue is properly framed? nt MadDAsHell Aug 2018 #19
THANK you, Senator Harris EffieBlack Aug 2018 #12
Here's a Tweet on Kamala's statement.. Cha Aug 2018 #41
A-frickin'-men, Senator. nt Habibi Aug 2018 #13
GOPee types always rail against 'identity politics' sandensea Aug 2018 #14
It's about controling the narrative...again ProudLib72 Aug 2018 #15
+1, eventually they're going to make "compassionate" an insult ck4829 Aug 2018 #36
K&R betsuni Aug 2018 #17
Correction: @SenKamalaHarris made it plain and told the truth about the term "identity politics" Cha Aug 2018 #55
I thought embrace of racial, ethnic & gender issues is AS WIDE AS YOU CAN GET? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #20
Late night K & R! rogue emissary Aug 2018 #22
I disagree that there's not a fair criticism to be made here. When somebody tweets JCanete Aug 2018 #23
I don't see anyone.... Adrahil Aug 2018 #30
When that is all that is cited, for instance "why is cortez supporting a white male instead of JCanete Aug 2018 #33
Well said, and I agree. Qutzupalotl Aug 2018 #43
Yes, you have a point RandySF Aug 2018 #53
How does that matter given what we're talking about? Given what my point was? You just made an JCanete Aug 2018 #57
It isn't identity politics per se that is the problem. The problem is when they are used as cover. redgreenandblue Aug 2018 #25
Bravo! Ezior Aug 2018 #26
You live in Germany? whathehell Aug 2018 #28
The dichotomy literally doesn't exist in German politics. nt redgreenandblue Aug 2018 #29
It should not and whathehell Aug 2018 #32
I have lived in Germany all my life. I never heard any such discussions. redgreenandblue Aug 2018 #34
Then why don't you talk to whathehell Aug 2018 #45
Economics dominates the Democratic Party message. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #48
+1 betsuni Aug 2018 #56
K&R ck4829 Aug 2018 #27
Yup. Adrahil Aug 2018 #31
That's a strange interpretation based on little. But if we could actually chip away at JCanete Aug 2018 #35
I think it's more worthy to protect the people they want to marginalize and war against ck4829 Aug 2018 #37
It isn't about being presentable...being presentable is trying to appeal to their politics. not to JCanete Aug 2018 #38
I'd to hear Sanders and his ilk... Adrahil Aug 2018 #51
As if most of you have a right to cheer GaryCnf Aug 2018 #39
Excellent post...thank you for sharing Docreed2003 Aug 2018 #54
A Tweet on Kamala's statement! Cha Aug 2018 #40
Just out of curiosity, does our environment have an "identity group"? jalan48 Aug 2018 #44
I stand with Kamala. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #52
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