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Leith

(7,802 posts)
78. sigh...
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 02:32 PM
Aug 2018

I have explained the reasons already. Pushing the point on what I have already answered is just trailing a fishing line behind a slow moving boat.

Here's a longer article that also talks about the secret talks with Stalin... TreasonousBastard Aug 2018 #1
Thanks for posting the article. MichMary Aug 2018 #3
My father was in Patton's 3rd Army and managed to escape unharmed... TreasonousBastard Aug 2018 #16
So was my father! greatauntoftriplets Aug 2018 #22
My dad was in the Pacific dflprincess Aug 2018 #110
saying "there was no choice" is such a cop-out cvoogt Aug 2018 #2
Japan was negotiating surrender.. MicaelS Aug 2018 #4
And it ended up being a nice show of force to the Soviets Roland99 Aug 2018 #19
Absolutely. MicaelS Aug 2018 #20
Absolutely Separation Aug 2018 #33
The Japanese government was MichMary Aug 2018 #6
Consider that the Italian Government surrendered in 1943... brooklynite Aug 2018 #94
That sounds all well and good BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #8
Good lord. Goodheart Aug 2018 #15
Over a million Japanese troops under arms in China at the time of the surrender, perfectly capable.. Marengo Aug 2018 #31
At the time Separation Aug 2018 #37
I'm not sure you understand the meaning of hindsight is 20/20 BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #95
I know precisely what it means. Goodheart Aug 2018 #134
And, that's a bad argument in any case... Goodheart Aug 2018 #28
Asked and answered BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #96
Plenty Of Hindsight There ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #11
Some people believed that their was an added factor of racism... CTyankee Aug 2018 #29
Bombing Germany would have raised eyebrows sarisataka Aug 2018 #32
+1000 NT Adrahil Aug 2018 #104
I dont. The bombs weren't ready in time for Germany DetroitLegalBeagle Aug 2018 #35
It Wasn't Done Until The Euro Theater Was Over ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #46
Germany wasn't considered as a primary target as its defeat was expected to occur before before Marengo Aug 2018 #63
Hindsight goes both ways cvoogt Aug 2018 #81
Huh? ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #102
not circular logic cvoogt Aug 2018 #105
If Japan blockaded Vladivostok and destroyed some of the bridges and tunnels of the... TreasonousBastard Aug 2018 #13
The Soviets Declaring War on Japan Leith Aug 2018 #25
Truman found out fast at Potsdam. Separation Aug 2018 #48
Wasn't aware Putin was anywhere near Yalta. shanny Aug 2018 #57
Lol freudian slip Separation Aug 2018 #58
Racism would have been a factor. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2018 #103
. sarisataka Aug 2018 #5
Wait . . . MichMary Aug 2018 #7
Yeah, sorta kinda... Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #10
Indeed it is nt sarisataka Aug 2018 #26
Yup, it's the annual self-flagellation day hardluck Aug 2018 #49
No choice, my ass. Goodheart Aug 2018 #9
Ask the POWs in Japanese camps what they think about shortening the war. BSdetect Aug 2018 #12
+1 geardaddy Aug 2018 #21
Our atomic bombs killed 40,000 to 50,000 innocent Koreans who were held in Japan as slaves. Goodheart Aug 2018 #27
The Japanese or Germans would have used atomic weapons if they had them before us. BSdetect Aug 2018 #38
Both the Germans and Japanese were years away from making an atomic bomb VMA131Marine Aug 2018 #62
Uh, in regards to Germany being "years away", you are wrong. Heavy water was already being produced. tonyt53 Aug 2018 #127
Uh, no! They were years away. VMA131Marine Aug 2018 #135
I went to the Japanese military shrine and museum at Yasukuni last week Yupster Aug 2018 #117
A quotation from Felix FRANKFURTER, though even this will be gigged by some: UTUSN Aug 2018 #14
I think genxlib Aug 2018 #17
I used to think that also. Eko Aug 2018 #80
You could be right genxlib Aug 2018 #93
I agree that waiting a few more days would have been right Yupster Aug 2018 #119
I was just a day or two over a week old when it happened. MineralMan Aug 2018 #18
My opinion had MicaelS Aug 2018 #23
Really, I never get involved in arguments MineralMan Aug 2018 #24
It was a weapon we developed to fight WWII, no one else had one until long after WWII was in the braddy Aug 2018 #39
Someone had to be first Cartoonist Aug 2018 #40
As I said, I don't get into arguments about this at all. MineralMan Aug 2018 #41
Good point. nt zanana1 Aug 2018 #133
It was a good decision. nt LexVegas Aug 2018 #30
Fact is, we are the only country to have killed thousands of innocent people with a "special" bomb. Hoyt Aug 2018 #34
We had them surrounded and cut off from the world Cartoonist Aug 2018 #47
We have different views on humane. Hoyt Aug 2018 #50
You didn't answer my question Cartoonist Aug 2018 #53
Ask top generals, admirals from the time. Starvation is your rationale. Hoyt Aug 2018 #56
The Nation is a Russian propaganda rag BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #111
They didn't have to go because there was no reason to go. Those in charge were Hoyt Aug 2018 #112
My dad was ONE of them. In the first US landing in the Pacific, and war effort ended at Iwo Jima. tonyt53 Aug 2018 #129
They Were Already Starved Leith Aug 2018 #64
Maybe we should have taken them food, rather than burning kids with our bombs. Hoyt Aug 2018 #65
Is the First Name on the List Tojo? Leith Aug 2018 #66
Why do you believe the "bomb em" folks. I don't see how annihilating two important Japanese Hoyt Aug 2018 #67
sigh... Leith Aug 2018 #78
Some people are fine with bombs whether defeated Japan, Vietnam, Iraq, etc. Hoyt Aug 2018 #79
That Was Going Too Far and You Know It Leith Aug 2018 #85
Oh, that's a fat load of horse crap. GaYellowDawg Aug 2018 #113
War was over, we are only country to nuke anyone, we are racist, we bully the world now and Hoyt Aug 2018 #114
Wrong GaYellowDawg Aug 2018 #115
And you aren't willing to accept another narrative either. No, I got the point on Civil War and I Hoyt Aug 2018 #118
You have to understand where the population was zipplewrath Aug 2018 #36
Not just us, I bet the Chinese, Brits, Filipinos, Aussies, New Zealand, Koreans, etc., etc., etc., braddy Aug 2018 #43
Some folks might have taken to streets, probably same ones who'd vote for trump or bush. Hoyt Aug 2018 #55
Sorta zipplewrath Aug 2018 #74
"Use it" especially against Asians. We could have demonstrated it on a deserted island. Hoyt Aug 2018 #76
They were afraid it might not work zipplewrath Aug 2018 #88
Oh cool. It might not work, so let's drop it on a bunch of Asians, Hoyt Aug 2018 #91
Sumpin' like that zipplewrath Aug 2018 #92
If Asian casualties are a marker, what about Imperial Japan's "Rape of Nanking," in 1937? VOX Aug 2018 #98
So are you saying we nuked innocent Japanese 8 years after Rape of Nanking as justified retribution? Hoyt Aug 2018 #99
No, I'm not saying that at all. The thread was implying that nukes were okay'd, because...Asians. VOX Aug 2018 #116
The Japanese were slaughtering innocent Chinese, Filipinos, Indonesians, etc until the very end. hack89 Aug 2018 #120
So China should have nuked us for slaughtering innocent Vietnamese and Iraqis? Hoyt Aug 2018 #121
The Chinese were not also killing Americans hack89 Aug 2018 #122
Eisenhower, Halsey, etc., think you are wrong. Hoyt Aug 2018 #123
When would the firing bombing of cities have ended? hack89 Aug 2018 #128
They were defeated and surrounded, do a little reading including Eisenhower's view. Hoyt Aug 2018 #130
So you really think the killing was going to end on 15 August no matter what? hack89 Aug 2018 #131
We appear stuck on this issue, just like your support of guns. The two are similar in many ways. Hoyt Aug 2018 #137
I will take that as a no - the killing would have continued. nt hack89 Aug 2018 #138
The ludicrously expensive and dangerous uranium bomb was a sure thing. hunter Aug 2018 #109
WRONG!!! In the words of Truman's own former CoS: malchickiwick Aug 2018 #42
Except for this inconvenient fact Cartoonist Aug 2018 #44
They surrendered after the Soviets declared war on Japan. Correlation or causation? malchickiwick Aug 2018 #45
Do you know how to read a calendar? Cartoonist Aug 2018 #51
Actually, they had offered terms of surrender before Hiroshima (via the Swiss). malchickiwick Aug 2018 #60
They were dropped for alot of reasons zipplewrath Aug 2018 #89
"They" zipplewrath Aug 2018 #72
All true, can't argue with anything in your post, which is well-nuanced. malchickiwick Aug 2018 #75
I was born after the bomb was dropped cvoogt Aug 2018 #82
Several of those quotes likely don't mean what you think they mean stevenleser Aug 2018 #84
Japan chose not to end the war and vowed to fight to the death before the first beachbum bob Aug 2018 #52
We didnt just kill Japanese Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #54
My Dad was about to be sent over there. rickford66 Aug 2018 #59
This comes up every year on August 6th sdfernando Aug 2018 #61
Every year, like clockwork. roamer65 Aug 2018 #69
Both my parents were serving in the Pacific in 1945 csziggy Aug 2018 #68
We weren't going to stop at Nagasaki. roamer65 Aug 2018 #70
This BULLSHIT again? GeorgeGist Aug 2018 #71
Cool kids gotta prove how cool they are. nt Codeine Aug 2018 #73
Oh, god. Here we go again. Iggo Aug 2018 #77
My Father Was in the Navy in the Phillipines. Preparing for invasion. bitterross Aug 2018 #83
Exactly zipplewrath Aug 2018 #90
My father Mendocino Aug 2018 #86
It was the last opportunity to test these new atomic weapons on living cities. hunter Aug 2018 #87
It must be the first week in August: DU gets to refight the war none of us remembers personally Hekate Aug 2018 #97
I Come And Stand at Every Door. Hoyt Aug 2018 #100
My problem is more with the second bomb thucythucy Aug 2018 #101
Welcome to the 2018 DU A - Bomb debate Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2018 #106
I had long discussions with my parents, especially my Mom on this before they passed... hlthe2b Aug 2018 #107
My dad was in Guam and the Phillipines nini Aug 2018 #125
Those who opposed the bombings will always oppose it left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 #108
I smell divide and conquer. McCamy Taylor Aug 2018 #124
Fully support his decision. nt LexVegas Aug 2018 #126
"Projecting some scary American casualty numbers"? zanana1 Aug 2018 #132
Not that I expect this to change anyone's mind on the subject melm00se Aug 2018 #136
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