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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
122. Let's look at the facts and see who's spinning.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:35 PM
Aug 2018

Technically it's true that he didn't place himself on the ballot as an Independent. Some posts in this thread have overlooked a distinction: Someone who's on the ballot as an opponent of the Democratic nominee can be there as an independent, or can be there as the nominee of another party. Crowley is in the latter category.

But "Crowley did not place himself on the ballot" is absurd. He wanted to be the Working Families Party nominee on the general-election ballot.

You seem to be implying that the WFP leadership put him on the ballot against his vehement protests. Wrong. He could not be the WFP nominee unless he had accepted that nomination. In fact, the WFP leadership would now like to remove him from the ballot, but it can't do so without his cooperation, which he's refused to give.

And you repeat the tired old Bernie-bash canard about Bernie switching parties. It's a lie, it's been exposed here as a lie multiple times, yet the Bernie-bashers care more about their commitment to demonizing Bernie than they do about the facts. So I won't even bother to repeat the facts, or to give relevant links. You go right on believing what makes you happy.

The fact remains that Bernie Sanders was not on the 2016 general-election ballot as a candidate opposing the Democratic nominee. The same is true of his two previous Senate runs, and it will almost certainly be true this year, because the Democrats of Vermont persist in rejecting the DU Bernie-Basher Brigade's reiterated attacks on Bernie. Crowley, by contrast, will be on the 2018 general-election ballot as a candidate opposing the Democratic nominee (unless he relents and acts to remove his name). It's good that he himself is (so far) not campaigning, but he'll take some votes away from the Democratic nominee just based on name recognition, not to mention whatever benefit his candidacy may get because sleazeballs like Lieberman are pushing him.

So Crowley couldn't motivate his constituents leftstreet Aug 2018 #1
Well. I'm sure with all the support he will be giving her she shouldn't have any problem winning jalan48 Aug 2018 #2
Well, with her unfounded attacks AFTER she won.... George II Aug 2018 #165
Perhaps not for the few that bothered to vote. Very small turn out. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #3
Not me Glamrock Aug 2018 #29
Newsworthy does not make the congressional congressperson. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #51
No doubt. Glamrock Aug 2018 #53
... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #60
Really? xmas74 Aug 2018 #158
Unfortunately her message didn't reach the voters in the midwest.... George II Aug 2018 #213
I got that Deja Vu feeling all over again. nt fleabiscuit Aug 2018 #178
Hey flea. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #187
She may be reaching her own district through the national press DemocracyMouse Aug 2018 #4
She's not quick on her feet. This is what WAPO has compiled stevenleser Aug 2018 #5
She's pretty sharp and speaks to people directly, KPN Aug 2018 #19
She will win and it won't be close oberliner Aug 2018 #87
No. If you were familiar with NY primaries this year, MOST constituents were expecting to vote.... George II Aug 2018 #164
Thank you for the reminder, she.. That "earthquake" Cha Aug 2018 #6
They are the ones we have been waiting for Cha, sheshe2 Aug 2018 #62
No Doubt.. Team Playas! Cha Aug 2018 #68
Playas!!!! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #71
If I lived an hour west of my current location xmas74 Aug 2018 #160
Close! Cha Aug 2018 #186
Close enough that I plan to hear her speak. xmas74 Aug 2018 #237
Oh I would love that.. good Cha Aug 2018 #239
Well, she's the Dem candidate now. We should be supporting her, not tearing her down. TheBlackAdder Aug 2018 #7
I do not see where I am tearing her down. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #11
'She has not been there since her election in a primary' melman Aug 2018 #13
Dated August 12th. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #20
⁦@AdyBarkan⁩ & I hosted a Labor Town Hall in a sweltering, packed church in the Bronx (Aug 7) oberliner Aug 2018 #86
Yeah. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #169
She barnstormed three zip codes in her district in four days. lapucelle Aug 2018 #162
And on the 7th week, she rested. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #173
... lapucelle Aug 2018 #174
;) sheshe2 Aug 2018 #192
That is a really good one. betsuni Aug 2018 #182
I couldn't help myself. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #184
Ah, Genesis 2:2 George II Aug 2018 #234
Exactly. I don't understand the hostility toward KPN Aug 2018 #21
I never understood the hostility to Hillary and Obama. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #37
Hmmm.. Cha Aug 2018 #56
Cha!!!! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #64
Hmmm mcar Aug 2018 #95
I do, mcar. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #106
Hostility to Obama? Yeah, there's been plenty KPN Aug 2018 #107
Hill/Brick post. nt sheshe2 Aug 2018 #172
What- G_j Aug 2018 #206
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #108
I think that the hostility is overblown, but the reason is that AOC has spent much of her time... Caliman73 Aug 2018 #166
I guess I haven't heard her criticizing the Democratic Party KPN Aug 2018 #185
Tammy Duckworth sheshe2 Aug 2018 #197
Have you by chance heard Bernie Sanders criticize the Hortensis Aug 2018 #230
Again, it's about Bernie. The meme that we KPN Aug 2018 #231
No, it's about HER. I don't like what she's saying. Hortensis Aug 2018 #232
I don't think it's tearing her down to wonder at some of her behavior that is so untypical ... Hekate Aug 2018 #25
Blue is never true, Hekate. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #76
We lost our seat in 2010. xmas74 Aug 2018 #161
I understand your pain. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #193
Yes. With just a little care by the official, it can take Hortensis Aug 2018 #228
So it's just "wonder" then. Okay. Then why the statements KPN Aug 2018 #109
I have not participated that much in the discussions, one way or another. I have certainly not... Hekate Aug 2018 #138
Not really that untypical of a first time candidate progressoid Aug 2018 #129
It's more complicated than that Retrograde Aug 2018 #8
I have read about NY voting rules, thank you Retrograde. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #70
Yup! First things first. nt R B Garr Aug 2018 #105
I guess this means... tonedevil Aug 2018 #121
It would be impossible for me to vote for her... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #208
It doesn't matter when you hold your primaries. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #9
The big thing is how many primaries you hold in a particular state. NY had one in June and.... George II Aug 2018 #163
Are you advocating a third party vote? melman Aug 2018 #10
Crowley is a Democrat. Are you upset about Sanders R B Garr Aug 2018 #12
Boom! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #22
Not if he's running as an independent he isn't. Glamrock Aug 2018 #30
Yep. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #34
BS.I NT sheshe2 Aug 2018 #72
I'm not following you sister. Glamrock Aug 2018 #74
Bernie Sanders. Independent. nt sheshe2 Aug 2018 #77
So are you saying we should support independents over Democrats? Glamrock Aug 2018 #78
Crowley is a Democrat. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #80
I'm so not. Glamrock Aug 2018 #81
No. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #82
No melman Aug 2018 #83
He did not place himself on the ballot as an Independent. R B Garr Aug 2018 #102
Got it. Glamrock Aug 2018 #84
Ding-Ding... disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #97
Crowley has been in the district for 20 years. He did not R B Garr Aug 2018 #104
. MaryELease Aug 2018 #198
. R B Garr Aug 2018 #200
So. . MaryELease Aug 2018 #212
Just the fact that you misrepresent what is happeing in her district tells me R B Garr Aug 2018 #216
Sorry MaryELease Aug 2018 #218
LOL, no you are misrepresenting what the facts are of him getting R B Garr Aug 2018 #219
Joseph Crowley is the chairman of the Queens County Democratic Party, and he has been... George II Aug 2018 #225
+1000 OrwellwasRight Aug 2018 #253
He's in today's DEMOCRATIC primary. He'll be on the November ballot as an Independent. George II Aug 2018 #235
LOL, never mind. ucrdem Aug 2018 #244
lol, you are getting responses that voting for an Independent R B Garr Aug 2018 #33
This place is a hoot. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #35
It is officially through the looking glass! R B Garr Aug 2018 #38
Yup. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #44
Right? Glamrock Aug 2018 #36
No, for years it has been that Independents are Democrats. R B Garr Aug 2018 #39
You say tomato.... Glamrock Aug 2018 #42
Crowley is a Democrat, so we're good. R B Garr Aug 2018 #43
No, he's running as an independent. Glamrock Aug 2018 #45
He is a Democrat. R B Garr Aug 2018 #46
Really? Glamrock Aug 2018 #47
The umbrage over "Independents" now is hilarious. R B Garr Aug 2018 #48
Ooops sheshe2 Aug 2018 #50
It's not umbrage. Glamrock Aug 2018 #52
Crowley's name is on the ballot as a Democrat, not as an independent. nt ucrdem Aug 2018 #54
How is that possible? Glamrock Aug 2018 #61
Basically it's a fluke. ucrdem Aug 2018 #63
Okay then. Glamrock Aug 2018 #65
hey thanks ucrdem Aug 2018 #67
You too man. Glamrock Aug 2018 #69
It's not true melman Aug 2018 #73
So, you are hoping that the primary is negated Bettie Aug 2018 #246
Hi Bettie, to answer your question: if Crowley is on the ballot, he'll be running as a Dem. ucrdem Aug 2018 #247
Being for Independent Bernie by saying he's really a Democrat R B Garr Aug 2018 #55
Oh my God! Glamrock Aug 2018 #58
Crowley is a Democrat. If you supported Bernie's multiple R B Garr Aug 2018 #99
It's your phony umbrage over "now" that's hilarious Jim Lane Aug 2018 #112
Hilarious and desperate spin. Crowley did not place himself R B Garr Aug 2018 #113
Let's look at the facts and see who's spinning. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #122
It is not a lie that Bernie switched parties, lol. R B Garr Aug 2018 #127
"That is a simplification to which I do not subscribe..." LanternWaste Aug 2018 #229
Crowley is not running oberliner Aug 2018 #90
He lied. He is running. Glamrock Aug 2018 #92
Crowley tweets: 'Still not running' oberliner Aug 2018 #93
Keep in mind that he won that primary like AOC won hers. ucrdem Aug 2018 #100
That's probably not true. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #114
It's true. Here's a link. This is not a guessing game: ucrdem Aug 2018 #131
I repeat, it's probably false, and your link proves absolutely nothing. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #136
Balletopedia.org considers him a Democrat running on a minor party line. ucrdem Aug 2018 #141
Thanks for the link showing Crowley is a Democrat, R B Garr Aug 2018 #147
Exactly. Crowley is currently a Democratic member of Congress ucrdem Aug 2018 #155
OK, I'm out. No point in continuing. You are impervious to facts or logic. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #148
No, see, it's voting for some Independents that's bad mcar Aug 2018 #96
Bazinga! George II Aug 2018 #236
Crowley has endorsed Ocasio-Cortez oberliner Aug 2018 #91
Hey Mel. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #15
Crowley's name is on the ballot as a Democrat. ucrdem Aug 2018 #49
Crowley has endorsed Ocasio-Cortez oberliner Aug 2018 #89
That is absolutely false. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #123
LOL. Please provide a link documenting his party change, TIA. nt ucrdem Aug 2018 #132
You are REALLY reaching Jim Lane Aug 2018 #134
So he is, was, and will assuredly remain a reliable (D). Thanks! nt ucrdem Aug 2018 #135
No, thank YOU for finally conceding that your post #49 was false. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #137
That's very imaginative. ucrdem Aug 2018 #139
+++. nt R B Garr Aug 2018 #201
Crowley is a Democrat lapucelle Aug 2018 #233
Do you agree with me that the subject line of post #49 is false? Jim Lane Aug 2018 #240
No. Crowley is a Democrat, he is not running, and he endorsed AOC. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #241
Stop it with the "Crowley is a Democrat"! Will he be ON THE BALLOT as a Democrat? Jim Lane Aug 2018 #242
He is and will be Chairman of the US Congressional Democratic Caucus. ucrdem Aug 2018 #243
... lapucelle Aug 2018 #249
If people vote for Crowley, they are voting for a Democrat. R B Garr Aug 2018 #154
Exactly. ucrdem Aug 2018 #156
Like it or not, Crowley is the Chairman of the Queens County Democratic Party..... George II Aug 2018 #183
Like it or not, he is not "on the ballot as a Democrat." Jim Lane Aug 2018 #189
He's running as a Democrat on a minor party line. ucrdem Aug 2018 #191
Crowley IS on the ballot for the Working Families Party, just was in.... George II Aug 2018 #98
No one had a problem in prior years... when he wasn't on the ballot AGAINST the Democratic nominee Jim Lane Aug 2018 #124
A vote for Crowley would be a vote for the best Democrat R B Garr Aug 2018 #194
So you're advocating a vote AGAINST the official Democratic nominee? Jim Lane Aug 2018 #195
I don't live in New York, but your tortured reasoning is R B Garr Aug 2018 #196
Some people will vote for Crowley as being the best REPUBLICAN. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #203
Crowley didn't switch parties. He's a Democrat. He's been a Democrat for R B Garr Aug 2018 #205
Lieberman didn't switch either. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #207
You are switching the concern now. First the concern was that Crowley wasn't a Democrat R B Garr Aug 2018 #209
You are flatly misstating the facts. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #210
No, you are flatly trying to switch the concern now that you've been deflated R B Garr Aug 2018 #211
Is this post intended as a parody? Jim Lane Aug 2018 #222
You keep trying to shift the concern. That is the main thing going on here. R B Garr Aug 2018 #224
Okay...to be fair I imagine most voters stay home in ALL primaries... pecosbob Aug 2018 #14
Hey pecosbob. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #32
So what's the point of bringing up a story from June now? Bradshaw3 Aug 2018 #16
She should spend time in her district, Bradshaw. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #26
You didn't answer the question Bradshaw3 Aug 2018 #103
Why are posting this? Equinox Moon Aug 2018 #17
I always support true Democrats. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #41
Is Ocasio-Cortez a false democrat in your opinion? Devil Child Aug 2018 #111
Doesnt she claim to be fallout87 Aug 2018 #227
That, and the "inevitability" question everything Aug 2018 #18
And are certain that that AOC will win. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #24
She will win and it won't be close; she is holding town halls in her district oberliner Aug 2018 #88
WTF? KPN Aug 2018 #23
WTF? sheshe2 Aug 2018 #27
Just WTF. Speaks for itself. KPN Aug 2018 #110
Good point on Crowley. ucrdem Aug 2018 #28
You VOTED! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #40
Thanks sheshe! ucrdem Aug 2018 #57
Got it. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #59
She is making me very nervous.. chillfactor Aug 2018 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Aug 2018 #66
Considering Jamaal510 Aug 2018 #75
Curious, isn't it, Jamaal....or not. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #79
That's what I think is strange. Renew Deal Aug 2018 #118
Packed room for @Ocasio2018 and @AdyBarkan tonight in the Bronx (Aug 7) oberliner Aug 2018 #85
Thanks for sharing Oberliner Devil Child Aug 2018 #133
"I havent seen a reception like this for a member of Congress for a while...."? George II Aug 2018 #202
So we refight primary results if they got support from Bernie dembotoz Aug 2018 #94
Gee, ya think? Jim Lane Aug 2018 #125
it does get old doesn't it dembotoz Aug 2018 #153
"I used to be disgusted. Now I try to be amused." Jim Lane Aug 2018 #190
The lack of turnout is bordering on scandalous dsc Aug 2018 #101
My understanding is TheFarseer Aug 2018 #115
Not exactly right Renew Deal Aug 2018 #117
Ok, not as sinister as I had heard TheFarseer Aug 2018 #120
The restrictive registration rules ARE the establishment's fault. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #126
You understanding is not correct. lapucelle Aug 2018 #168
Yeah TheFarseer Aug 2018 #177
A lot of people were confused about the split primary. lapucelle Aug 2018 #181
He could easily win on name recognition Renew Deal Aug 2018 #116
Well, fuck those voters for sitting it out. Iggo Aug 2018 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Aug 2018 #128
Sheshe3 pls.stop demeaning her win, Chickensoup Aug 2018 #130
sheshe2 here sheshe2 Aug 2018 #179
Like in so many other congressional districts, MineralMan Aug 2018 #140
Great article Gothmog Aug 2018 #142
Of course melman Aug 2018 #145
I am stunned by the number of posts here trying to damage a Democratic candidate for Congress. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #143
So now Rupert Murdochs rag is a reliable source for democrats??? pwb Aug 2018 #144
Amazing isn't it? melman Aug 2018 #146
Now, now, don't have an itty bitty hissy fit. SMC22307 Aug 2018 #159
I don't know WTF that means? Murdochs NY Post is not a rag to you? pwb Aug 2018 #199
For some here unity is only for their faction. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #149
We are fortunate that the turnout in Michigan was higher Gothmog Aug 2018 #150
The article you linked to doesn't support your claim in the slightest. Kaleva Aug 2018 #175
The Our Revolution/AOC plans for Michigan were based on low turnout Gothmog Aug 2018 #188
Whitmer had been favored to win the nomination for quite a while MichMan Aug 2018 #180
self deleted riversedge Aug 2018 #151
very, very true heaven05 Aug 2018 #152
Hey! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #171
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #157
lol BeckyDem Aug 2018 #167
Good. Then we know it pretty accurately reflects a general election.. MadDAsHell Aug 2018 #170
We'll be voting for senator and governor this year. lapucelle Aug 2018 #176
I heard that there's a lot of grumbling in the 14th District.... George II Aug 2018 #204
You have? MaryELease Aug 2018 #214
Yes I have, and no I can't. I TALK to people. I grew up in Queens and lived in what is now... George II Aug 2018 #215
So... MaryELease Aug 2018 #217
Everything you posted is the same thing. Anecdotal, not empirical. What is being R B Garr Aug 2018 #220
Yes. MaryELease Aug 2018 #221
Yes, Cortez is affiliated with Bill Clinton, Gore and other members of the R B Garr Aug 2018 #223
She also got her political start by working in Ted Kennedy's MA office. George II Aug 2018 #238
Wow! Thanks, George! That is an interesting breakdown of their priorities. R B Garr Aug 2018 #250
Yes, throw the Sanders Institute is in that mix, too. George II Aug 2018 #252
AOC was a low-turnout winner but she's still a winner! KCDebbie Aug 2018 #226
Part of the problem was that they had multiple primaries grantcart Aug 2018 #245
I think a lot of that gets forgotten in the excitement.(nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #248
Primaries always have low voter turnout. OrwellwasRight Aug 2018 #251
It's just amazing how threatened choie Aug 2018 #254
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