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45. Why, because 10% of the self-identified progressives will not vote for the Democratic nominee, and

Tue Aug 14, 2018, 05:53 PM

Aug 2018

end causing two SC nominees to be lost?

Because every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states will lose to the incumbent, establishment, republican, because they believe there is no difference between the two parties, even though those swing state Democrats running for Senate were progressive by any standard.

If those self-identified progressives want to play either my way or the highway, instead of working within the party, then they are part of the reason we have people like trump, bush, and reagan.

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Democrats are voting for establishment candidates at a rate of 89% [View all] scheming daemons Aug 2018 OP

Help help! I am being repressed! nycbos Aug 2018 #1

LOLOLOLOLOL JHan Aug 2018 #85

Bloody peasant! budkin Aug 2018 #103

I have been identified as Madam Mossfern Aug 2018 #2

I've been called that too. Don't sweat it. The secret they don't like to share is that they Squinch Aug 2018 #12

It is really sad that some here cannot respect those who agree with Sanders ideas lovemydogs Aug 2018 #75

What's worse GaryCnf Aug 2018 #78

I'd certainly debate policy with you, Gary, if you would name one on which we disagree. In my many Squinch Aug 2018 #82

I believe you've had, and still have, that opportunity GaryCnf Aug 2018 #83

Nope. Not one. Squinch Aug 2018 #84

I agree avowed goals are basically the same, differences manufactured Hortensis Aug 2018 #90

Your last sentence just nails it. brush Aug 2018 #102

Yes. Well known to political scientists, Hortensis Aug 2018 #105

Their inability to specify policy differences and their subsequent Squinch Aug 2018 #110

Hear, hear. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #94

Interesting - the only ones I've ever heard equating UHC and MFA are those who ehrnst Aug 2018 #91

Perhaps you are confused GaryCnf Aug 2018 #95

Perhaps you get your information from places other than DU, then. ehrnst Aug 2018 #98

Nice try, but... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #108

Maybe you should scroll up GaryCnf Aug 2018 #109

Its also sad that some here cannot read. I was saying that we all want the Squinch Aug 2018 #81

There is no such thing as clintonism first of all. Secondly, the new deal without a doubt Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #112

Aren't the majority of Democratic candidates running considered establishment candidates? Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #43

Establishment democratic candidates. John Fante Aug 2018 #3

+ a million.. Me Too. Wwcd Aug 2018 #11

K&R Progressive dog Aug 2018 #38

Exactly! R B Garr Aug 2018 #39

takes all the pluses +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JHan Aug 2018 #86

I'm with you. The Democrats are the party to the left. brush Aug 2018 #104

I think the word "establishment" is offensive. Eko Aug 2018 #4

'Every time Democrats lose a presidential election, blue America promptly elleng Aug 2018 #5

Yep! Amazing how this OP appeared within a half hour of the one you linked to. KPN Aug 2018 #14

The Party has always moved left & center as necessary. It remains fluid . Wwcd Aug 2018 #28

Ummm ... labor, wages, public higher education costs KPN Aug 2018 #33

Those items have been long fought for by the Dem Party. Wwcd Aug 2018 #35

+1 betsuni Aug 2018 #41

Results? KPN Aug 2018 #73

Populism just means that the leadership is being lead, in ways, by the voters. Caliman73 Aug 2018 #48

Respectfully, you are absolutely incorrect. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #60

Respectfully disagree. Caliman73 Aug 2018 #69

Except that ours is a representative democracy. I think question everything Aug 2018 #63

The party is "left" where it has to be, and "center" where it has to be.... George II Aug 2018 #50

Good point George. That describes the Dem Party as I've always known it to be. Wwcd Aug 2018 #52

Good post Ellen, thanks. And I like Nick Hanauer. appalachiablue Aug 2018 #23

No question... if establishment Democrats don't move left in 2020, it's gonna be a repeat of 2016. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #32

Why, because 10% of the self-identified progressives will not vote for the Democratic nominee, and still_one Aug 2018 #45

Well since we gained seats in both the House and the Senate and it could be argued.... George II Aug 2018 #46

Thanks for the link mountain grammy Aug 2018 #40

The "establishment" argument was a ridiculous canard. JHan Aug 2018 #87

50 state solution...is the answer. We have more seats in red areas that are realy purple...and Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #113

Most people respect experience. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #6

AOC is fine for Brooklyn. Hopefully she will win the seat and it will be one more Squinch Aug 2018 #7

+10000 Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #17

I expressed this to someone IRL recently. They said I was prostituting myself and lacked ethics. Squinch Aug 2018 #19

LOL Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #21

Ethics? Caliman73 Aug 2018 #51

This! And even though AOC has ticked me off I still like her.. and I wish her well. JHan Aug 2018 #89

Not surprised at all. Glad that the obvious is finally being stated publicly Wwcd Aug 2018 #8

The important thing is the party is moving to the left -- back to the historic center. Who cares KPN Aug 2018 #9

Yep Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #18

Ditto. KPN Aug 2018 #26

Left on social justice issues? ehrnst Aug 2018 #92

Yes. Our resolve and commitment to social issues has been strong KPN Aug 2018 #96

Certainly Bernie has been pulled to the left since the 2016 election. ehrnst Aug 2018 #99

+1 George II Aug 2018 #100

I won't argue with that. KPN Aug 2018 #101

+1000 sheshe2 Aug 2018 #106

True! Thanks for pointing it out. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #107

I question a lot of what 538 puts out. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #10

Not me. 538 is quite a reliable source Wwcd Aug 2018 #16

It's very reliable Bradical79 Aug 2018 #79

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #13

And, you're attempting to personally insult DUers again. Cha Aug 2018 #20

Buying into EXPERIENCE not "establishment". If there was EVER a time that EXPERIENCE hlthe2b Aug 2018 #15

Actually that literally is the definition, I think Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #24

They're experienced and successful.. So called Cha Aug 2018 #22

Agreed. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #25

WOW! Cha Aug 2018 #31

Exacty, Cha! There was that push to taint anyone who had experience R B Garr Aug 2018 #36

Cheers to our High Standard Democrats, RB! Cha Aug 2018 #42

Or they are voting for candidates that can actually win elections. muntrv Aug 2018 #27

They're voting for High Standard Dems like Gretchen Whitmer, Sharice Davids, Cha Aug 2018 #44

I can't think of a good reason this article was posted on DU Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #29

It's a good thing to reflect on the reality of what voters have chosen R B Garr Aug 2018 #37

I see your point RB Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #57

Since this thread is about Bernie's groups losing, it doesn't seem like a good R B Garr Aug 2018 #71

Well money is a powerful component. Are you suprised? The sad part is our JCanete Aug 2018 #30

After these Trump years the estab Dems will feel fresh and new eleny Aug 2018 #34

Good Progressive dog Aug 2018 #47

Establishment is not necessarily a bad word. MineralMan Aug 2018 #49

Our Revolution endorsed candidates have a success rate of 46% in 2018 so far. Kaleva Aug 2018 #53

That's being charitable - three or four (or more) "ran" unopposed. George II Aug 2018 #56

And some were also endorsed by the DNC. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #59

Which ones were endorsed by the DNC? Kaleva Aug 2018 #61

I have no idea. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #64

Good! "OR and justice dems won only 32% of Cha Aug 2018 #65

The OPs comments are not 538's analysis Kaleva Aug 2018 #68

I honestly didn't notice the OP's one-line observation. Mea culpa. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #70

your stat is wrong according to fivethirtyeight (It's actually 32%) Gary Gary Aug 2018 #72

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #54

This is a lie debunked 3 years ago SkyDancer Aug 2018 #55

To those who persistently suggest that the Democratic Party has shifted rightward... OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #58

That's not what this chart shows. drray23 Aug 2018 #62

It shows who was responsible for passing legislation. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #67

I just can't stand them skating right over HRC Sparkly Aug 2018 #66

that's because they think only white and more specifically JI7 Aug 2018 #74

We can count on the efforts of women getting erased everytime.. JHan Aug 2018 #88

+1000 ehrnst Aug 2018 #93

So what? vlyons Aug 2018 #76

Florida Senate Race bsandman1977 Aug 2018 #77

Welcome to DU, bsandman1977! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2018 #111

inaccurate description at best, democrats support mainstream candidates and not those on beachbum bob Aug 2018 #80

Nate's numbers are correct Gothmog Aug 2018 #97