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223. This was a well done and accurate explanation of super delegates

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Congressional Black Caucus chair blasts proposed superdelegate changes [View all] Gothmog Aug 2018 OP

Me too JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #1

Majority rules. Not a privileged minority of superdelegates. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #3

Superdelegates did not change anything in the real world Gothmog Aug 2018 #4

So why have them? Is it just a form of flattery? Is it to feed their egos? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #8

again, you did not even vote for the democratic party nominee in 2016 JI7 Aug 2018 #23

A lot of people did not vote for the Democratic Party nominee in 2016. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #24

I'm in california , she won huge because of people like me that voted JI7 Aug 2018 #25

Big margin of victory for Hillary in California. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #167

How many doors did you knock? Calls made? Money raised? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #248

Did you vote for Hillary in the General? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #108

she won't answer that question heaven05 Aug 2018 #189

No surprise. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #197

You sound sincere in stating your position and probably are, Hortensis Aug 2018 #165

The superdelegate concept represents the ultimate in conceit and heavyhandedness. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #168

I can't blame someone for trying to trash MY VOTE Hortensis Aug 2018 #169

Well Put Me. Aug 2018 #241

DID you vote heaven05 Aug 2018 #188

They are leaders of the party who worked hard to get elected Gothmog Aug 2018 #31

I am 75 and started working on campaigns when I was very young. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #186

So in addition to not voting for our party's nominee, you have not worked on a campaign in Gothmog Aug 2018 #196

I was extremely active in the Obama campaigns, the Kerry campaign, etc. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #201

No, my assumptions have been proven correct by your posts Gothmog Aug 2018 #219

What we do not need are caucuses, the modern-day version of the old smoke-filled rooms, pnwmom Aug 2018 #293

I been a Democratic volunteer for 44 years. I am not insulted. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #98

I am 75, and I have been a volunteer for more than 45 years although I lived Sophia4 Aug 2018 #187

You said "superdelegates are an insult to volunteers". lapucelle Aug 2018 #247

We have them to guard against a trump-type candidate brush Aug 2018 #176

Republicans would never have dared to vote or work against Trump in 2016. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #191

They actually DID work against Trump until he won. Why rewrite history? bettyellen Aug 2018 #194

He won. Do you really think that Republicans would not have won the electoral college Sophia4 Aug 2018 #199

You're a broken record. You don't know any of that. You just keep repeating yourself. brush Aug 2018 #204

I DO know it. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #206

What? You have a crystal ball into the past that tells you how repugs... brush Aug 2018 #215

I have logic and experience. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #261

Hahahahaha! brush Aug 2018 #262

Did you vote Democratic Party heaven05 Aug 2018 #258

Why are you asking? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #260

Didn't have to heaven05 Aug 2018 #263

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #190

Wikipedia on the history of superdelegates. They are a more recent idea than you would think. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #195

And they have the right to vote in their own primaries Bettie Aug 2018 #99

Well - I'm a county committee elected official JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #12

I agree about the caucuses. Are you a paid official? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #14

Oh please just stop. Everyone does have one vote. boston bean Aug 2018 #45

But Super Delegates get a vote they don't earn. It's as if they get two votes. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #56

Umm no every single delegate gets a vote. boston bean Aug 2018 #60

Super delegates are not elected. They vote as delegates without being elected by the Sophia4 Aug 2018 #63

Delegates are nominated by people at the party level. boston bean Aug 2018 #64

Delegates are bound by the voters unlike superdelegates Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #130

Actually, no, they aren't. Pledged delegates are not bound. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #132

Regardless, they are generally already a supporter of that person Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #134

Their purpose is to serve as a failsafe and to put someone over 2382 when a race is close. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #137

Well then we are in agreement Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #138

No, no strawman. They are people who vote at the convention on behalf of others. boston bean Aug 2018 #157

I was a delegate to the national convention Gothmog Aug 2018 #221

You are wrong Gothmog Aug 2018 #220

Can you argue for that? Recursion Aug 2018 #52

The Democratic Party should support and defend the idea of one vote, one person Sophia4 Aug 2018 #53

Do you really think that this concept applies? Gothmog Aug 2018 #88

You do realize that no one votes for a delegates directly Gothmog Aug 2018 #87

Sounds a lot like democracy!! I'm all for it. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #126

How many African American Senators do we have? Governors? Presidents? pnwmom Aug 2018 #292

It's a democratic election. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #2

Members of the CBC are party leaders and deserve a seat at the table Gothmog Aug 2018 #5

Amen. MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #6

I and all the other party members who do the leg-work, who make the calls, who talk Sophia4 Aug 2018 #7

Do you really think that members of the CBC are lazy? Gothmog Aug 2018 #9

No less lazy than voters who get up early, travel rain or shine, stand in line to vote in primaries Sophia4 Aug 2018 #10

Have you ever worked on a campaign in the real world? Gothmog Aug 2018 #33

you didn't even vote for the party nominee Clinton in 2016 JI7 Aug 2018 #20

You know nothing about me. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #21

Hillary won most votes without superdelegates alsoi and you did not vote for the nominee JI7 Aug 2018 #22

Who I voted or did not vote for has nothing to do with superdelegates Sophia4 Aug 2018 #61

Actually if you didn't vote for Clinton in the general, your point is moot. JHan Aug 2018 #171

Yes! George II Aug 2018 #198

Great post Gothmog Aug 2018 #222

Oh wow JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #228

Most articulate post I have seen in a long time. I hope you didin't confuse anyone with the facts. still_one Aug 2018 #229

+1 betsuni Aug 2018 #232

WowEE ZowEE Me. Aug 2018 #235

KABOOM! SunSeeker Aug 2018 #255

if you "did not vote for HRC in the general, heaven05 Aug 2018 #257

+100 Hekate Aug 2018 #268

Thank you for this post Gothmog Aug 2018 #290

Of course we know you by your posts, and your posts have said you didn't R B Garr Aug 2018 #26

If the superdelegates don't make a difference in the outcome of the election, then Sophia4 Aug 2018 #59

Your posts are how we know you. For instance, your posts on this thread R B Garr Aug 2018 #68

The Democratic Party can end the custom of superdelegates as well as the caucuses Sophia4 Aug 2018 #69

That is still no excuse to spread misinformation about superdelegates. R B Garr Aug 2018 #72

Superdelegates are an attempt to rig the system. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #73

There is no history of superdelegates rigging the system, so the abuse R B Garr Aug 2018 #75

Then, why have superdelegates? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #183

Okay, this is sounding very strange now. It is not based in logic other than R B Garr Aug 2018 #212

That is not true at all. It's a smear against the Democratic Party. bettyellen Aug 2018 #78

Is the Democratic Party some perfect entity that cannot be improved? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #181

Just stop it. Super delegates are a fail safe against a trump-like nominee. brush Aug 2018 #177

The candidate who won the most votes did not need the superdelegates to win the Sophia4 Aug 2018 #178

You keep repeating the same crappola over and over without... brush Aug 2018 #179

Trump would not have been stopped by superdelegates. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #180

You don't know that trump would not have been stopped so stop pretending you do. brush Aug 2018 #182

You don't know that Trump would have been stopped by superdelegates. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #184

That's done at the state level. nt fleabiscuit Aug 2018 #152

At least as far as the ending of caucuses. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #153

You are the one spreading misinformation leading to "misunderstandings and controversies" yet you bettyellen Aug 2018 #202

What is Tapas? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #207

Weird spell correction. Why do YOU spread the misinformation and then use it as justification? bettyellen Aug 2018 #210

Hall and Oates is one of my favorite singing duos... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #291

So you think that the CBC is wrong. Why do you think that you know more than they do ehrnst Aug 2018 #172

It is not the entire CBC Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #174

Thank you, but that question was directed to Sophia4, not the OP. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #175

Please clarify if you voted for Hillary Clinton in the general election Gothmog Aug 2018 #42

I'm in California. I voted my conscience as I expect every other voter to do. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #58

Voting is about what's best for society, not selfishness. betsuni Aug 2018 #83

That poster is attacking the party when they are not a real democrat Gothmog Aug 2018 #269

This almost sounds like you didn't vote for the Democratic candidate in the 2016 general election. lapucelle Aug 2018 #86

That is my reading of this response also Gothmog Aug 2018 #94

It's troubling to say the least. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #96

I, like all Americans, vote for the candidate that I believe is the best for my country. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #170

You think that Democratic primaries are a "a joke" and you ehrnst Aug 2018 #106

You voted for Hillary actually Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #128

A "scent of unfairness " is a fact how exactly? bettyellen Aug 2018 #44

How is it not a fact? Sophia4 Aug 2018 #57

You are accusing Dems of dishonesty and corruption. Wow. Something smells alright. bettyellen Aug 2018 #65

Actually the Democrats are right in this case. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #125

"Actually the Democrats are right in this case." lapucelle Aug 2018 #158

Freudian. George II Aug 2018 #162

These are proposed changes. lapucelle Aug 2018 #159

It's actually pure propaganda like you are spreading here that is intended to R B Garr Aug 2018 #79

You mean like they do in the Vermont Senate race? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #107

The persons who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton are not good democrats Gothmog Aug 2018 #200

Your opinion is noted. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #205

I am active in the party in the real world Gothmog Aug 2018 #217

You keep fabricating catastrophic results of superdelegates where none exist. R B Garr Aug 2018 #30

I am simply expressing my opinion. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #272

Your scenarios aren't real, though. So having an R B Garr Aug 2018 #276

I am entitled to my opinion and don't need to be harassed about it. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #281

This is a message board. If you are posting false scenarios R B Garr Aug 2018 #284

Did I read upthread that you did not vote for the Democratic nominee in the 2016 GE? lapucelle Aug 2018 #80

Why ask? I haven't asked you who you voted for. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #273

Staunch Democrats vote for Democratic nominees in presidential elections. lapucelle Aug 2018 #275

California voted strongly for Trump. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #277

No one is picking on you, and you are not California. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #278

I am curious as to whether you have ever worked in a real campaign? Gothmog Aug 2018 #93

I have worked in numerous real campaigns. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #274

We may have a different framework as to what it means to work on a campaign Gothmog Aug 2018 #279

Texas tends to vote Republican. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #282

Texas is not a red state but a non-voting state Gothmog Aug 2018 #285

Good luck in Texas. We will have to agree to disagree on super delegates. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #287

Again, you do not understand the process Gothmog Aug 2018 #289

Something doesn't feel heaven05 Aug 2018 #193

I support the Democratic Party and do not want to hurt the party Gothmog Aug 2018 #270

Truthfully JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #16

And that was the intent of the rules back in the 70's LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #27

THANK! YOU! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #62

I am friends with two members of the CBC Gothmog Aug 2018 #95

An they didn't express and opinion in the OP, only the chairman did Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #100

Neither of these two members of the CBC had any kind things to say about sanders Gothmog Aug 2018 #110

We are not talking about Sanders, we are talking about a rule change Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #135

The rule change is only being proposed because sanders' feelings were hurt Gothmog Aug 2018 #140

Then why didn't these upset members express an opinion with the chairman? Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #141

They have through the CBC Gothmog Aug 2018 #146

One seat? Or 10,000 seats? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #120

Agreed - and that's why you need to get on board JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #13

Thanks. I'm in California where we have primaries. Caucuses are unfair to working Sophia4 Aug 2018 #15

Caucuses should be gone. But they have nothing to do with the popular vote. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #28

IDK. I'm more and more in favor of smoke-filled rooms Recursion Aug 2018 #37

Smoke filled rooms were OK when communication was poor, back in the 19th century. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #66

Parties don't have a responsibility to be democracies though Recursion Aug 2018 #81

And as they have never reversed the will of the primary voters, what good has it done? mythology Aug 2018 #133

Should delegates also not be free to switch after the first round? Recursion Aug 2018 #156

You do realize that no one votes for a delegates directly Gothmog Aug 2018 #97

We vote for a list of delegates to the convention here in California. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #155

Those are delegates to state convention Gothmog Aug 2018 #164

Like Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson? joshcryer Aug 2018 #154

did you call ALL members heaven05 Aug 2018 #192

"Third Way Plus"? Just call it "Superfluous Fluff" oasis Aug 2018 #11

The only way one group could be harmed is if superdelegates decide the nomination mythology Aug 2018 #17

I agree. Ace Rothstein Aug 2018 #218

So they don't vote on the first tally Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #18

Members of the CBC are more important to the party than people pushing this rule change Gothmog Aug 2018 #34

The proposed change only stops a first round vote Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #36

Again these are leaders of the party who are more important to the party than sanders supporters Gothmog Aug 2018 #39

Otherwise known as "democrats" zipplewrath Aug 2018 #49

I guess we are back to "ha ha we don't need your votes!" Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #103

How is Our Revolution doing lately? Gothmog Aug 2018 #114

Um zipplewrath Aug 2018 #117

Their candidates are winning Gothmog Aug 2018 #118

I know what you mean zipplewrath Aug 2018 #115

Actually you have never really heard how it would R B Garr Aug 2018 #143

+1 betsuni Aug 2018 #149

What "40% of the Democratic electorate" would that be? ehrnst Aug 2018 #173

And yet these so-called leaders want to hurt the party by punishing the CBC? Gothmog Aug 2018 #113

Punishing? zipplewrath Aug 2018 #116

These are elected leaders of the party who represent an important demographic Gothmog Aug 2018 #119

Fine, the state parties can select minorities as regular delegates MichMan Aug 2018 #124

Which results in a new reduction of the delegates each states have Gothmog Aug 2018 #214

That is a completely different argument for keeping superdelegates MichMan Aug 2018 #239

Each state has an allocated number of regular delegate slots Gothmog Aug 2018 #265

So are the people voting for this zipplewrath Aug 2018 #209

I Stand With The CBC Me. Aug 2018 #19

Why should Sanders even determine the rules? LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #29

That The Question That Needs To Be Answered Me. Aug 2018 #32

I support the leaders of the party in the CBC Gothmog Aug 2018 #40

I'm a party member that voted for Hillary in the general election Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #55

Did Sanders vote for this? zipplewrath Aug 2018 #46

I Am Not A Member Of The DNC Me. Aug 2018 #47

But didn't this pass? zipplewrath Aug 2018 #48

No Me. Aug 2018 #50

We'll see if it passes zipplewrath Aug 2018 #76

why? JCanete Aug 2018 #51

Sanders is the one pushing for these changes which is amusing Gothmog Aug 2018 #163

How does he "push" when he isn't there? zipplewrath Aug 2018 #208

Do you really believe this? Gothmog Aug 2018 #216

Sorta zipplewrath Aug 2018 #233

I know some CBC members and will try to ask if I get a chance Gothmog Aug 2018 #237

It was zipplewrath Aug 2018 #234

All of the materials that I have seen is that it is sanders and his followers pushing this Gothmog Aug 2018 #236

Okay. MaryELease Aug 2018 #35

the 30% would have 90 Senators dsc Aug 2018 #38

Funny thing about privilege. People don't like it when others have it but like it when it jalan48 Aug 2018 #41

I'm not sure how giving disproportionate power to people annointed with it is reasonable to him. JCanete Aug 2018 #43

I support the CBC. That is all. nt. spicysista Aug 2018 #54

What does that mean in this context? whatever a member of CBC says you are automatically on board? JCanete Aug 2018 #67

Wow! spicysista Aug 2018 #71

I'm not comforable with Bee's framing at all. She literally led up to it with talking about Carter JCanete Aug 2018 #74

Needless to say, I disagree with your claims Gothmog Aug 2018 #225

needless to say, you didnt' address any of my points, convincing me that I should reconsider, with JCanete Aug 2018 #226

I did but the fact that you did not understand my response is not my problem Gothmog Aug 2018 #238

you refuted 0 points I made. I mean, tell yourself whatever you want to tell yourself, JCanete Aug 2018 #249

The fact that you think that you raised points amuses me greatly Gothmog Aug 2018 #250

Okay, for whatever reasons you want to have this conversation without actually having a conversation JCanete Aug 2018 #252

Make a real argument or use facts to back your amusing claims Gothmog Aug 2018 #253

Goth facts...: cut and paste for any discussion. JCanete Aug 2018 #254

Come visit the real world Gothmog Aug 2018 #256

when an OR candidate loses by a small margin it isn't making a difference, it is "failing" JCanete Aug 2018 #259

How is a non-democrat running against a real democrat making a difference? Gothmog Aug 2018 #264

Sanders isn't a huge departure from Clinton on policy either. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #246

This was a well done and accurate explanation of super delegates Gothmog Aug 2018 #223

Sam is great! spicysista Aug 2018 #227

She is always great Gothmog Aug 2018 #231

I, too, stand with the CBC, and not with those who seek to dilute the power of elected minorities... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #70

Note this is only the Chairman's opinion, not the entire CBC Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #77

How do you know this? Do you know any members of the CBC? Gothmog Aug 2018 #203

They are not in the OP YOU posted Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #211

So you do not have any proof for this silly claim Gothmog Aug 2018 #213

Back up your claim Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #224

The super delegate just says to the other person running MyNameGoesHere Aug 2018 #82

Honestly, these comments..... spicysista Aug 2018 #84

It is like those myths we hold onto even in the face of evidence. Caliman73 Aug 2018 #90

Exactly! spicysista Aug 2018 #91

Is the number of regular delegates reduced by having superdelegates? MichMan Aug 2018 #85

No Gothmog Aug 2018 #92

Why couldn't that same state be awarded more regular delegates instead? MichMan Aug 2018 #104

That is not how the allocation process works Gothmog Aug 2018 #109

I'm willing to bet elimination will lead to fewer regular delegates. KitSileya Aug 2018 #144

Superdelegates, like caucuses, are undemocratic relics of the past. It is also extremely asinine tritsofme Aug 2018 #89

Superdelegates can do one of two things........ Takket Aug 2018 #101

Elected officials also increase the influence of states that elect democrats to office Gothmog Aug 2018 #112

Right they should not exist. I support the Democratic party's decision in this. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #121

Sign me up for supporting the super delegates too. Old Terp Aug 2018 #102

Superdelegates are anti-Democratic Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #105

Who votes for super delegates in the real world? Gothmog Aug 2018 #111

You were a bound delegate. Very different from what an unbound superdelegate was. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #123

LOL-you clearly do not understand the rules at all Gothmog Aug 2018 #139

You stand correct. However pledged delegates are far more democratic than superdelegates. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #142

Not really Gothmog Aug 2018 #145

I guess this sort of explains why they prefer caucuses to primaries: George II Aug 2018 #160

I was so glad that the Texas got rid of the Texas two step Gothmog Aug 2018 #161

+1 SkyDancer Aug 2018 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #185

Tom Perez is not a great representative for the democratic party. Kajun Gal Aug 2018 #129

The local party activists and officials, and Members of Congress can all have one vote like the rest CentralMass Aug 2018 #131

Get rid of caucuses and I wouldn't object to the new rule. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #136

DNC rule change angers Sanders supporters Gothmog Aug 2018 #147

So No Cut & Run In The Future? Me. Aug 2018 #240

Yep Gothmog Aug 2018 #242

Excellent Me. Aug 2018 #243

Here is the letter from the head of the CBC Gothmog Aug 2018 #148

I bet if they changed the name to "regular delegate" they'd get less flack. ucrdem Aug 2018 #150

They are not called super delegates in the party rules Gothmog Aug 2018 #166

The official term being unpledged? How about "standing"? ucrdem Aug 2018 #244

All delegates are not bound and can vote for anyone Gothmog Aug 2018 #251

That is simply shameful. ucrdem Aug 2018 #266

In normal campaigns, delegates are carefully vetted by the candidates Gothmog Aug 2018 #267

Did you ever see "On the Waterfront"? ucrdem Aug 2018 #280

I stand with the CBC on this. LisaM Aug 2018 #151

It's hard giving up establishment power. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #230

Eliminate superdelegates, eliminate caucauses, and close the primaries. Devil Child Aug 2018 #245

California DNC Member Suggests Superdelegate Reform Is Part Of Russian Plot Gothmog Aug 2018 #271

I think everyone's vote should be equal. Vinca Aug 2018 #283

How does this apply? Gothmog Aug 2018 #286

My state is a good example of why this irks the heck out of me. Vinca Aug 2018 #288