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GaryCnf

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109. Maybe you should scroll up

Reply to ehrnst (Reply #98)

Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:14 PM

Aug 2018

It's the choir singing the "no policy difference" tune.

Maybe I should have used this

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Democrats are voting for establishment candidates at a rate of 89% [View all] scheming daemons Aug 2018 OP

Help help! I am being repressed! nycbos Aug 2018 #1

LOLOLOLOLOL JHan Aug 2018 #85

Bloody peasant! budkin Aug 2018 #103

I have been identified as Madam Mossfern Aug 2018 #2

I've been called that too. Don't sweat it. The secret they don't like to share is that they Squinch Aug 2018 #12

It is really sad that some here cannot respect those who agree with Sanders ideas lovemydogs Aug 2018 #75

What's worse GaryCnf Aug 2018 #78

I'd certainly debate policy with you, Gary, if you would name one on which we disagree. In my many Squinch Aug 2018 #82

I believe you've had, and still have, that opportunity GaryCnf Aug 2018 #83

Nope. Not one. Squinch Aug 2018 #84

I agree avowed goals are basically the same, differences manufactured Hortensis Aug 2018 #90

Your last sentence just nails it. brush Aug 2018 #102

Yes. Well known to political scientists, Hortensis Aug 2018 #105

Their inability to specify policy differences and their subsequent Squinch Aug 2018 #110

Hear, hear. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #94

Interesting - the only ones I've ever heard equating UHC and MFA are those who ehrnst Aug 2018 #91

Perhaps you are confused GaryCnf Aug 2018 #95

Perhaps you get your information from places other than DU, then. ehrnst Aug 2018 #98

Nice try, but... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #108

Maybe you should scroll up GaryCnf Aug 2018 #109

Its also sad that some here cannot read. I was saying that we all want the Squinch Aug 2018 #81

There is no such thing as clintonism first of all. Secondly, the new deal without a doubt Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #112

Aren't the majority of Democratic candidates running considered establishment candidates? Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #43

Establishment democratic candidates. John Fante Aug 2018 #3

+ a million.. Me Too. Wwcd Aug 2018 #11

K&R Progressive dog Aug 2018 #38

Exactly! R B Garr Aug 2018 #39

takes all the pluses +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JHan Aug 2018 #86

I'm with you. The Democrats are the party to the left. brush Aug 2018 #104

I think the word "establishment" is offensive. Eko Aug 2018 #4

'Every time Democrats lose a presidential election, blue America promptly elleng Aug 2018 #5

Yep! Amazing how this OP appeared within a half hour of the one you linked to. KPN Aug 2018 #14

The Party has always moved left & center as necessary. It remains fluid . Wwcd Aug 2018 #28

Ummm ... labor, wages, public higher education costs KPN Aug 2018 #33

Those items have been long fought for by the Dem Party. Wwcd Aug 2018 #35

+1 betsuni Aug 2018 #41

Results? KPN Aug 2018 #73

Populism just means that the leadership is being lead, in ways, by the voters. Caliman73 Aug 2018 #48

Respectfully, you are absolutely incorrect. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #60

Respectfully disagree. Caliman73 Aug 2018 #69

Except that ours is a representative democracy. I think question everything Aug 2018 #63

The party is "left" where it has to be, and "center" where it has to be.... George II Aug 2018 #50

Good point George. That describes the Dem Party as I've always known it to be. Wwcd Aug 2018 #52

Good post Ellen, thanks. And I like Nick Hanauer. appalachiablue Aug 2018 #23

No question... if establishment Democrats don't move left in 2020, it's gonna be a repeat of 2016. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #32

Why, because 10% of the self-identified progressives will not vote for the Democratic nominee, and still_one Aug 2018 #45

Well since we gained seats in both the House and the Senate and it could be argued.... George II Aug 2018 #46

Thanks for the link mountain grammy Aug 2018 #40

The "establishment" argument was a ridiculous canard. JHan Aug 2018 #87

50 state solution...is the answer. We have more seats in red areas that are realy purple...and Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #113

Most people respect experience. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #6

AOC is fine for Brooklyn. Hopefully she will win the seat and it will be one more Squinch Aug 2018 #7

+10000 Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #17

I expressed this to someone IRL recently. They said I was prostituting myself and lacked ethics. Squinch Aug 2018 #19

LOL Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #21

Ethics? Caliman73 Aug 2018 #51

This! And even though AOC has ticked me off I still like her.. and I wish her well. JHan Aug 2018 #89

Not surprised at all. Glad that the obvious is finally being stated publicly Wwcd Aug 2018 #8

The important thing is the party is moving to the left -- back to the historic center. Who cares KPN Aug 2018 #9

Yep Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #18

Ditto. KPN Aug 2018 #26

Left on social justice issues? ehrnst Aug 2018 #92

Yes. Our resolve and commitment to social issues has been strong KPN Aug 2018 #96

Certainly Bernie has been pulled to the left since the 2016 election. ehrnst Aug 2018 #99

+1 George II Aug 2018 #100

I won't argue with that. KPN Aug 2018 #101

+1000 sheshe2 Aug 2018 #106

True! Thanks for pointing it out. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #107

I question a lot of what 538 puts out. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #10

Not me. 538 is quite a reliable source Wwcd Aug 2018 #16

It's very reliable Bradical79 Aug 2018 #79

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #13

And, you're attempting to personally insult DUers again. Cha Aug 2018 #20

Buying into EXPERIENCE not "establishment". If there was EVER a time that EXPERIENCE hlthe2b Aug 2018 #15

Actually that literally is the definition, I think Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #24

They're experienced and successful.. So called Cha Aug 2018 #22

Agreed. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #25

WOW! Cha Aug 2018 #31

Exacty, Cha! There was that push to taint anyone who had experience R B Garr Aug 2018 #36

Cheers to our High Standard Democrats, RB! Cha Aug 2018 #42

Or they are voting for candidates that can actually win elections. muntrv Aug 2018 #27

They're voting for High Standard Dems like Gretchen Whitmer, Sharice Davids, Cha Aug 2018 #44

I can't think of a good reason this article was posted on DU Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #29

It's a good thing to reflect on the reality of what voters have chosen R B Garr Aug 2018 #37

I see your point RB Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #57

Since this thread is about Bernie's groups losing, it doesn't seem like a good R B Garr Aug 2018 #71

Well money is a powerful component. Are you suprised? The sad part is our JCanete Aug 2018 #30

After these Trump years the estab Dems will feel fresh and new eleny Aug 2018 #34

Good Progressive dog Aug 2018 #47

Establishment is not necessarily a bad word. MineralMan Aug 2018 #49

Our Revolution endorsed candidates have a success rate of 46% in 2018 so far. Kaleva Aug 2018 #53

That's being charitable - three or four (or more) "ran" unopposed. George II Aug 2018 #56

And some were also endorsed by the DNC. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #59

Which ones were endorsed by the DNC? Kaleva Aug 2018 #61

I have no idea. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #64

Good! "OR and justice dems won only 32% of Cha Aug 2018 #65

The OPs comments are not 538's analysis Kaleva Aug 2018 #68

I honestly didn't notice the OP's one-line observation. Mea culpa. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #70

your stat is wrong according to fivethirtyeight (It's actually 32%) Gary Gary Aug 2018 #72

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #54

This is a lie debunked 3 years ago SkyDancer Aug 2018 #55

To those who persistently suggest that the Democratic Party has shifted rightward... OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #58

That's not what this chart shows. drray23 Aug 2018 #62

It shows who was responsible for passing legislation. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #67

I just can't stand them skating right over HRC Sparkly Aug 2018 #66

that's because they think only white and more specifically JI7 Aug 2018 #74

We can count on the efforts of women getting erased everytime.. JHan Aug 2018 #88

+1000 ehrnst Aug 2018 #93

So what? vlyons Aug 2018 #76

Florida Senate Race bsandman1977 Aug 2018 #77

Welcome to DU, bsandman1977! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2018 #111

inaccurate description at best, democrats support mainstream candidates and not those on beachbum bob Aug 2018 #80

Nate's numbers are correct Gothmog Aug 2018 #97