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Hekate

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45. I'm just saying you may be unclear how the concept of a hate crime came to be a legal thing

Thu Aug 16, 2018, 09:58 PM

Aug 2018

"Stand your ground laws" are pretty much ALL about white people deciding to kill black people -- or, let me be more explicit: about white MEN deciding to kill black people. Trayvon Martin, a kid walking back to his own home holding a soda and a bag of Skittles triggered one such pathetic soul so badly that Trayvon just had to die. How is that not a hate crime?

I am sick of it. I am an older white woman who somehow thought this country had outgrown the public celebration of black murders -- you know, there are postcards from the 1920s enshrining lynchings: a broken black body hanging from a tree surrounded by white men and boys from the surrounding area, sometimes with the local sheriff standing by giving his blessing.

What the hell, America? What the hell? I am enraged.

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NY State Senator Wants to Make Calling 911 on Black Folks in White Spaces a Hate Crime [View all] sheshe2 Aug 2018 OP

The motivation for making the calls is hate. brer cat Aug 2018 #1

Yes it is, brer. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #6

this+++ heaven05 Aug 2018 #84

Brings up all sorts of questions Watchfoxheadexplodes Aug 2018 #2

Not sure what the problem is here. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #7

I would think the way to handle it is if it turns out to be a "living while black or brown or... brush Aug 2018 #80

no can of worms heaven05 Aug 2018 #83

K&R!!! 2naSalit Aug 2018 #3

I hope 87 year old mercuryblues Aug 2018 #4

God yes. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #8

I read that heaven05 Aug 2018 #86

That's not going to happen even here in NY...way to subjective. AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #5

To subjective until a person dies while.. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #10

If a person dies at the hands of the police dispatched as the result of a 911 call, is the root of hughee99 Aug 2018 #52

There's always the possibility that these white people call the police on innocent black Aristus Aug 2018 #63

I'm certain that is true, for some of the callers. Mariana Aug 2018 #73

It seems like one of those things which is almost impossible to prove. Aristus Aug 2018 #74

Yes. You'd pretty much have to have someone Mariana Aug 2018 #75

if the AA person was doing heaven05 Aug 2018 #94

You can't make it a crime to call police Mariana Aug 2018 #98

It will be a crime heaven05 Aug 2018 #108

this+++ heaven05 Aug 2018 #91

Yes, but if you're going to try to fix A problem, wouldn't that be THE problem to fix? n/t hughee99 Aug 2018 #120

Nowadays, when 911 is called on any black or brown child, woman, or man ... Hekate Aug 2018 #12

Yes, Hekate. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #20

Any number of people already have died, like a smallish 12 y.o. boy playing in a park at dusk Hekate Aug 2018 #22

Tamir Rice heaven05 Aug 2018 #95

I'm just saying... AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #23

Cases apply the "reasonable person" criteria. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #28

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #54

legalese heaven05 Aug 2018 #96

You haven't really read my post because you aren't responding to what it contains. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #102

oh I have responded heaven05 Aug 2018 #107

Why sheshe2 Aug 2018 #34

AA don't ever call 911 to report crimes ? MichMan Aug 2018 #55

Did you even bother to read the article? sheshe2 Aug 2018 #64

Did you notice that I was replying to the post above mine and not the OP? MichMan Aug 2018 #122

I will respond any way I please sheshe2 Aug 2018 #124

really??? heaven05 Aug 2018 #97

I was replying to the post above mine.......... MichMan Aug 2018 #123

I'm just saying you may be unclear how the concept of a hate crime came to be a legal thing Hekate Aug 2018 #45

Trayvon wasn't decided of Stand you Ground. AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #56

The difference in motive and outcome being? Hekate Aug 2018 #58

+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #119

It is a form of SWATTING. nt tblue37 Aug 2018 #62

Wow! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #65

Well spotted, tblue Hekate Aug 2018 #88

If I am black heaven05 Aug 2018 #89

They are NOT "white spaces". Who used that nonsense designation? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #9

"White spaces" is territoriality where none is clearly defined bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #13

Excellent response, bucolic_frolic. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #21

I know the problem, which is why I wonder who'd buy into the bigot's term "white space" & use it. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #26

Well, Bernardo... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #14

So who would play the callers' game & use their framing & refer to them as "white spaces"? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #25

It is not a 'game', Bernardo.... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #29

I think the two guys at their pool don't call it "white spaces" but call it "our pool". Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #31

No. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #35

I know it's the white callers. Thus it is strange to see someone (who?) accepting that terminology Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #37

No. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #40

Doesn't have to be heaven05 Aug 2018 #104

don't even waste your heaven05 Aug 2018 #109

It's very tough to realize that a lily can is fact, be a flower as well. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #66

And I am just as sure that the white people are thinking: "We belong here, and you don't. Go away." Hekate Aug 2018 #92

Yes, indeed. Exactly. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #93

you are just heaven05 Aug 2018 #101

No. I'm very serious and mean what I write. Read it for comprehension. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #105

Why would we embrace racist language? MadDAsHell Aug 2018 #59

You're conflating 'co-opt to make an obvious' with embrace. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #67

MadDas quite perceptive. Calling it something like "white-claimed space" is obvious & not co-opted. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #68

"white spaces" heaven05 Aug 2018 #111

You are wrong heaven05 Aug 2018 #100

Woosh! Of course it is a white bigot term. Don't buy into and call them "white spaces". Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #103

Really heaven05 Aug 2018 #106

Works for me. I am absolutely sickened by what has been happening... Hekate Aug 2018 #11

++All this above ++ lunasun Aug 2018 #16

Agree, Hekate. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #17

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #19

I have a similar idea. mwooldri Aug 2018 #15

Well, certainly there would be more support brer cat Aug 2018 #30

You are a keeper. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #49

+++ heaven05 Aug 2018 #112

Hey! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #125

K&R Scurrilous Aug 2018 #18

Law against abusing 911 are already on the books Tribalceltic Aug 2018 #24

K&R Solly Mack Aug 2018 #27

Jesse Hamilton has betrayed the Democratic party and his constituents by joining the IDC Renew Deal Aug 2018 #32

Trying to figure out how this would work MichMan Aug 2018 #33

Why in the world... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #38

Police always have a non-emergency number kiri Aug 2018 #41

In Chicago any call that requests a police officer to be dispatched ALWAYS goes to 911 Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #51

Driving home from work late at night.... MichMan Aug 2018 #43

If you read the OP you know the answer to that. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #50

About Time Me. Aug 2018 #36

Yep. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #39

Isnt calling the police over frivolous things illegal anyways? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #42

Illegal yes. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #44

The callers are pointing a loaded weapon at people going about their lives when 911 is called... Hekate Aug 2018 #46

"The callers are pointing a loaded weapon at people going about their lives when 911 is called..." sheshe2 Aug 2018 #47

Because it's a poorly thought out idea mythology Aug 2018 #57

"There's also the potential impact of making people not call 911 when they should to consider." MineralMan Aug 2018 #72

"Unlikely"????? heaven05 Aug 2018 #114

+++THIS heaven05 Aug 2018 #113

It should be charged as attempted murder. KentuckyWoman Aug 2018 #48

It should be a hate crime workinclasszero Aug 2018 #53

Why would the law only protect people of color? MadDAsHell Aug 2018 #60

Posted above. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #61

proposed because heaven05 Aug 2018 #126

The number of such calls seems to be increasing. MineralMan Aug 2018 #69

Thank you so much for your response, MM. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #70

I'm often surprised at what some posters say here. MineralMan Aug 2018 #71

We have no information to say this is happening more janterry Aug 2018 #81

I see. MineralMan Aug 2018 #82

I'm not trying to show anyone anything janterry Aug 2018 #85

There's a surprising amount of that going on in this thread... Hekate Aug 2018 #87

Yes. Unfortunate. MineralMan Aug 2018 #90

okay, really??? heaven05 Aug 2018 #117

Data is always clarifying janterry Aug 2018 #121

+100 nt heaven05 Aug 2018 #116

Do 911 dispatchers have to report every call to LE? Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2018 #76

K&R ck4829 Aug 2018 #77

the real answer thats simple is to send the white person a bill from the police dept.... beachbum bob Aug 2018 #78

Actually... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #79

Well meaning but very problematic in practice Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #99

Excellent idea!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #110

K&R Gothmog Aug 2018 #115

These hate calls seemed to have started AFTER Trump came onto the scene. trueblue2007 Aug 2018 #118