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DinahMoeHum

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65. There's a thing called the "Fighting Words Doctrine"

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 10:54 PM

Aug 2018

which can be used to justify the violent reaction that happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

The fighting words doctrine, in United States constitutional law, is a limitation to freedom of speech as protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. In 1942, the U.S. Supreme Court established the doctrine by a 9–0 decision in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire.

Fighting words are, as first defined by the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) in Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942), words which "by their very utterance, inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. ... Fighting words are a category of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment.

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Drunk wypipo calls someone the N-word on a bus in Washington D.C. [View all] brush Aug 2018 OP

Talk shit, get hit... ADX Aug 2018 #1

Come-on. You should be at threat of some harm beyond being called names to escalate to violence. Anon-C Aug 2018 #3

Nope. This was someone who asked for it thinking she was immune to retaliation ... marble falls Aug 2018 #7

Umm, I'm sorry but maxrandb Aug 2018 #9

I disagree and believe the threat of physical harm absent the color of Anon-C Aug 2018 #11

or this.... TeamPooka Aug 2018 #16

I would like to add pedophiles to your list but, beyond that, DonViejo Aug 2018 #51

Nice! brush Aug 2018 #13

Something tells me you've never been called a n*gge* in your life... ADX Aug 2018 #14

I'm a black man who lives in predominantly white areas of California and I've lived across the US... Anon-C Aug 2018 #15

Then obviously you and I process and deal with that bullshit differently... ADX Aug 2018 #17

I like how you think. brush Aug 2018 #22

Likewise, my friend... ADX Aug 2018 #43

I think systemic racism is "some harm beyond being called names" Adrahil Aug 2018 #19

I agree with everything you said and understand that anger. Anon-C Aug 2018 #21

No, I totally agree with you, verbal insults do not rise to the level of physical violence. EX500rider Aug 2018 #28

I wouldn't push her off the bus either but . . . JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #33

one doesn't need to be a kkk or nazi to be just as bad JI7 Aug 2018 #44

I not questioning your choices. Adrahil Aug 2018 #53

I am sure she does and she got hers the time, certainly. Anon-C Aug 2018 #55

Dear racist WYPIPO: I am NOT my ancestors. MariaCSR Aug 2018 #49

Also. I am NOT my ancestors KentuckyWoman Aug 2018 #62

Darwin's award material dalton99a Aug 2018 #2

Yep. Have to be aware of your surroundings. That privilege thing doesn't work everywhere. brush Aug 2018 #4

Violence is not the answer no matter how wrong the drunk JDC Aug 2018 #5

She is not going to change her mind. Adrahil Aug 2018 #20

Ironically wife beaters say that also. Who knocked her out and sent her to the hospital? JDC Aug 2018 #23

Let me check.... nope. Don't care Adrahil Aug 2018 #24

Nor Do I ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #25

Again, violence and vengeance solves nothing JDC Aug 2018 #36

The rules have changed. Adrahil Aug 2018 #52

I don't really consider it a matter of toughness. Adrahil Aug 2018 #74

I was replying to a message that said it was. JDC Aug 2018 #84

OKay. Thanks. NT Adrahil Aug 2018 #86

You're Hilarious! ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #80

Your journal would leave me to believe that you think you are the comedian JDC Aug 2018 #85

It's good to know the rise of the far right globally is... Anon-C Aug 2018 #35

A drunk, is on the bus with a drink? Not likely. elleng Aug 2018 #27

Watch the video. It clearly shows her with a drink in her hand. And she's not an old lady. brush Aug 2018 #60

Not likely she'll change her mind, is what I meant; elleng Aug 2018 #71

Sounds like you like women being hit. Good for you. Teach them a lesson. nt USALiberal Aug 2018 #31

Exactly the opposite. Thx though JDC Aug 2018 #37

I responded to Adrahil. Not you. nt USALiberal Aug 2018 #46

Ok. Thx. It came up a a post to me. JDC Aug 2018 #47

I 100% agree with you! nt USALiberal Aug 2018 #48

Watch the video. She tried to slink off the bus and shout out the N-word over her shoulder... brush Aug 2018 #61

I watched it. Im not excusing her actions JDC Aug 2018 #83

It's not ok to say it, and it sure taught her a lesson. No excuses. brush Aug 2018 #87

You said what? Adrahil Aug 2018 #68

I've been wondering about this statistic, so I looked it up ProudLib72 Aug 2018 #6

"What are DC's demographics?" BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #10

#Civility Initech Aug 2018 #8

I love the screen name of one of the posters - "Manitos, Tiny Hands of Trump" Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #12

Manos! ZZenith Aug 2018 #26

Boink. Scurrilous Aug 2018 #18

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. DinahMoeHum Aug 2018 #29

Violence plays right into the hands of the white supremacists. irresistable Aug 2018 #30

On the X2 bus at that! I live in DC, I've been on that bus. MariaCSR Aug 2018 #32

But the X2 makes the stop the streetcar doesn't Recursion Aug 2018 #42

Violence is not the answer. Chemisse Aug 2018 #34

Oh please. MariaCSR Aug 2018 #41

When confronted by buses... tonedevil Aug 2018 #66

I realize that people often react to verbal taunts with violence. Chemisse Aug 2018 #67

At some point people stop giving a shit what the racists or whoever think JonLP24 Aug 2018 #75

I think you nailed it. I love your last sentence. brush Aug 2018 #72

The notion that those who do or say something stupid in a particularly "wrong" place Vermijelli Aug 2018 #38

On the X2? She had to be out of her damn mind. Recursion Aug 2018 #39

There's a saying that's been going around the internet MariaCSR Aug 2018 #40

I'll stick my nose in... Charlotte Little Aug 2018 #45

When people are most drunk HipChick Aug 2018 #50

2 Wrongs Don't Make A Right LandOfHopeAndDreams Aug 2018 #54

Just to confirm, using a racial slur is grounds for violence? mythology Aug 2018 #56

Thank you. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2018 #57

I can't believe some of the posts I'm reading here. cwydro Aug 2018 #59

There's a thing called the "Fighting Words Doctrine" DinahMoeHum Aug 2018 #65

No, violence is rarely the answer to most things. joshcryer Aug 2018 #69

Not again claiming wypipo is the same as the n word JonLP24 Aug 2018 #76

Let's think realistically. You're around a group of people. You call that group the worst thing you Oneironaut Aug 2018 #81

There is an old Irish proverb mercuryblues Aug 2018 #58

I like. brush Aug 2018 #63

Assume the provocateur is armed (especially in Florida). Consider your response. Marcuse Aug 2018 #64

So basically KentuckyWoman Aug 2018 #70

Guess you weren't here for the "wypipo" debates. It means white racist, not all whites. brush Aug 2018 #73

It is offensive KentuckyWoman Aug 2018 #79

It isn't offensive at all JonLP24 Aug 2018 #82

+1 ck4829 Aug 2018 #89

All you will see on Fox and other right wing sites is redstatebluegirl Aug 2018 #77

What Is The Time Honoured Tradition Of Catching Hands? Me. Aug 2018 #78

Let see you use a racial slur in a post whistler162 Aug 2018 #88