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heaven05

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230. what can you expect

Sun Aug 19, 2018, 10:00 AM

Aug 2018

from a Democrat supporting the Democratic Party and not just supporting a faction of our Party co-opting ideas and policies of our Democratic Party to just puff up a minor faction of the Democratic Party. BOOM!!!! It's not working. People know how dangerous times are and how important our Party is in fighting the RW. Banning press from a political event is close to ...???? Hmmmm, let me see.

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Ocasio-Cortez defends banning press from event: We wanted 'residents to feel safe' [View all] Uncle Joe Aug 2018 OP

Yeah, got to keep them "safe" from the press -- the "enemy of the people," as some believe. pnwmom Aug 2018 #1

Well for victims of abuse, human trafficking and immigrants, the ability to practice their Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #8

Like I said, she can have her private listening sessions.She just can't call the PUBLIC pnwmom Aug 2018 #27

So true... good for AOC in recognizing that. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #101

Call it what you want but there is nothing wrong with having a constituent only town hall. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #24

Some members of the press live there and are her constituents. She excluded them and falsely billed pnwmom Aug 2018 #28

Oh please. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #31

The Bronx flyer: George II Aug 2018 #241

oh, please, what? heaven05 Aug 2018 #249

The phrase "Town Hall" does seem to connote "all are welcome" DeltaLitProf Aug 2018 #111

Two different events. It looked like a trend, which might be why the local paper got alarmed. pnwmom Aug 2018 #117

FFS, if a GOPer used this BS excuse we would laugh at them. It was a stupid decision! nt USALiberal Aug 2018 #41

Makes sense to me. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #201

She doesn't have constituents. She's not in office. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #223

Precisely. Now, THIS guy has constituents and apparently he doesn't bar the press: George II Aug 2018 #244

Her communications director Corbin Trent should not have shut the press out lapucelle Aug 2018 #250

The Facebook invitation said it was a public event lapucelle Aug 2018 #258

Ahh, she is not elected yet. But nice try. nt USALiberal Aug 2018 #229

Right on... boom!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #102

So you think ICE is going to raid her events? R B Garr Aug 2018 #164

Closed to the press or not, ICE can still get in. Here's a town hall where people look safe: George II Aug 2018 #215

The primary's over, George. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #293

It actually ended almost two months ago. But Congressman Joseph Crowley is still..... George II Aug 2018 #294

Oh, so this is a "teachable moment"? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #297

Call it what you want. George II Aug 2018 #298

AOC is not an elected official. She doesn't have constituents. It was a public campaign event. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #253

Press coverage can have a chillig effect wellst0nev0ter Aug 2018 #38

Simple solution: have a closed event and don't bill it as open to the public. Don't send the message pnwmom Aug 2018 #56

If it's open to constituents, it's open to the public wellst0nev0ter Aug 2018 #82

The Queens newspaper's reporters are constituents, reporting to other constituents. pnwmom Aug 2018 #87

Yup yup, makes perfect sense... some just pretend not to get it. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #154

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I didn't say they have to. But if they want to call it PUBLIC, they need to include the press. pnwmom Aug 2018 #208

Yup. Just call it a PRIVATE forum for residents of her district. Don't call it a public event. LBM20 Aug 2018 #257

She needed to call it private, but the reporters from Queens are residents of her district. pnwmom Aug 2018 #271

um okay. JHan Aug 2018 #2

Most of us here knew that. pwb Aug 2018 #3

That doesn't mean she is infallible. nycbos Aug 2018 #26

Something wrong here empedocles Aug 2018 #4

What would that be empedocles? Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #7

Hmmmm empedocles Aug 2018 #11

Here is a good counter argument as to why Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #12

That UG cite is a policy argument. I understand Progressive accumulated frustrations. empedocles Aug 2018 #70

The news media all but ignored Bernie until they couldn't Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #76

Various well intentioned policy debates are important, empedocles Aug 2018 #211

perhaps she could let this issue fade away nt msongs Aug 2018 #5

Indefensible SCantiGOP Aug 2018 #6

Perhaps but for the vulnerable groups cited in particular trusting Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #9

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2018 #14

I don't think it is meant as a slam to the press, or journalism in general. FirstLight Aug 2018 #10

If the press just wanted to cover it like trumps rallies with no questions? pwb Aug 2018 #13

Yup, Alexandria's progressive agenda has obviously hit a nerve. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #112

what's hit a nerve heaven05 Aug 2018 #226

Oh so it has nothing to do with her banning the press? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #265

Hate groups have been especially predominant with Trump in power Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #15

true, I was not implying they were like that at all, just the slippery slope I guess FirstLight Aug 2018 #16

I hear you FirstLight Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #18

Recommended! H2O Man Aug 2018 #17

We have identified the enemy and he is us? pwb Aug 2018 #19

Seriously, too many Dem bashers here. Onyrleft Aug 2018 #30

You are calling out members/Democrats of this board Dem bashers? nt sheshe2 Aug 2018 #37

Is it OK to suggest that once a candidate wins the primary, Onyrleft Aug 2018 #77

That doesn't mean we support everything they do, even when they make a serious mistake. pnwmom Aug 2018 #94

hmmm sheshe2 Aug 2018 #97

Sigh. This isn't hard to retain, but the associations R B Garr Aug 2018 #123

here George II Aug 2018 #33

They are a hoot. Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #20

Yes they are pecosbob Aug 2018 #25

Maybe some people attended would not want to be in media photos or videos. earthshine Aug 2018 #21

Then it should have been a private closed forum. Not announced as Public Wwcd Aug 2018 #36

The names of people attending are posted on her Facebook page. brer cat Aug 2018 #44

I doubt that ALL the names are listed. nt earthshine Aug 2018 #49

We can hope the SOME who were listed were NONE of these: brer cat Aug 2018 #62

So, she made a mistake. What's your point? Why bother with your lame accusations? earthshine Aug 2018 #74

I made no accusations. brer cat Aug 2018 #78

You accuse her of using pretzyl logic. I accuse you of making irrelevant statements. earthshine Aug 2018 #84

I will pick one of the groups of victims listed... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #99

But attendees were posting photos on Twitter and other social media. pnwmom Aug 2018 #88

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Safe from public exposure, these were and are vulnerable groups Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #23

What was discussed at the public forum? Wwcd Aug 2018 #46

Hmm.... Adrahil Aug 2018 #29

This subject has been thoroughly discussed already. Wwcd Aug 2018 #32

So the only thing Alexandria needed to do was call the event private versus public Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #34

Sounds simple right? 1st Amendment. #WeAreAllThePress Wwcd Aug 2018 #39

Regarding the 1st Amendment in this case it came down to the judgement of speech vs press Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #43

Wow. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #48

Me Too, OilemFirchen. WOW. It doesn't say "either/or" Wwcd Aug 2018 #51

It's BOTH but speech and press are two separate entities protected by the same Amendment. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #53

At the same time. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #57

Of "making a law" Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #65

No law was broken. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #67

Again according to Alexandria's defense Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #71

Bashers are gonna bash... it's what they do. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #130

Yes BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #272

Yes, irony in the extreme... just imagine... InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #275

What about fox? That is mostly opinion, not news. pwb Aug 2018 #45

What does it matter? It was a Public Event. Wwcd Aug 2018 #47

Got that right... who needs em! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #276

Laughable to defend this just because you like her style and emphasis Awsi Dooger Aug 2018 #35

But to keep it in perspective... meadowlander Aug 2018 #122

No, this a completely inaccurate statement mountain grammy Aug 2018 #237

There are no First Amendment issues in play, J_William_Ryan Aug 2018 #40

Finally, some sanity! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #105

"currently a private citizen" heaven05 Aug 2018 #222

it's a real creative defense though.. JHan Aug 2018 #245

lol heaven05 Aug 2018 #247

And yet she said in her flyer that she was "listening to the concerns.... George II Aug 2018 #246

Is this why the names of people attending are listed on her Facebook page? brer cat Aug 2018 #42

BINGO. Thank you. If she is serious about sheltering the id's of attendees, then Wwcd Aug 2018 #50

Again, it is obvious that not ALL the names are listed. earthshine Aug 2018 #60

So sheshe2 Aug 2018 #116

The number of posts attacking democrats on DU are surpassing those attacking republicans Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #52

Yup, yup... welcome to Bizarro World!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #113

OMG! Remember when that one guy said that the Democrats were the "party of the one-percent"? NurseJackie Aug 2018 #224

Yep mcar Aug 2018 #234

Dear Pretzel Logicians, OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #54

post 42 says she listed the names of those attending on facebook JI7 Aug 2018 #55

I saw that. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #58

Especially if one is trying to remain private. That's a rather serious breech of trust.. Wwcd Aug 2018 #63

So it wasn't about protecting the ID's of attendees. Then What Was The Reason?! Wwcd Aug 2018 #61

. stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #59

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #64

"Instead of an open honest Democrat" Yup. Wwcd Aug 2018 #72

Is there a reason people keep attacking general election democrats in the middle of a midterm cycle? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #75

Questioning behavior is appropriate. Wwcd Aug 2018 #121

We know the reason. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #277

Contrived after-the-fact. When this "excuse" is examined as part of the whole... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #66

Actually it was a part of the initial announcement. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #69

Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #118

That is exactly what is happening. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #119

Nobody is attacking her. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #124

Of course they are melman Aug 2018 #128

No she's not. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #129

. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #187

I know, right? NurseJackie Aug 2018 #225

It's getting ridiculous... I will never understand it. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #228

Doubling down? TheCowsCameHome Aug 2018 #68

No. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #73

Yes, thank you! mountain grammy Aug 2018 #79

I agree mountain grammy. Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #80

And to you, Uncle Joe. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #83

She is running for a public office. RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #92

Every negative thread of AOC on DU Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #81

... Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #85

The shark feeding frenzy gif that you are ROFL about... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #131

Oh please. She has gone out of her way to make sure she is in the lime light, and some our still_one Aug 2018 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #114

Actually people are attacking a general election democrat Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #115

Calling DUers paid GOP shills isn't very nice. betsuni Aug 2018 #125

It is worse than that, it is bordering on a TOS violation still_one Aug 2018 #135

Agree! betsuni Aug 2018 #136

That's what attacking Democrats is, actually. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #138

Accussing someone of being a paid operative is a TOS vioation still_one Aug 2018 #140

so is talking about TOS violations Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #145

Then I suggest you send an alert on me, and stop the silly game plan that you weren't implying still_one Aug 2018 #147

I don't play silly games with alerts Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #148

Let's be honest, it isn't just AOC, the friction has been going on since 2016, and usually I don't still_one Aug 2018 #166

yet, who heaven05 Aug 2018 #238

no doubt about it, and she loves being in the limelight, but not the scrutiny that comes with that. still_one Aug 2018 #252

exactly nt heaven05 Aug 2018 #256

Let's be honest, it isn't just AOC, the friction has been going on since 2016, and usually I don't still_one Aug 2018 #167

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #236

The subthread topic was about DU. betsuni Aug 2018 #149

Actually people are attacking democrats Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #151

I know BS attacks Dems in the middle of a Mid-Term Election.. saying they are the Cha Aug 2018 #155

Shame on you Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #158

It's your quote, genius.. own it. Cha Aug 2018 #161

So my quote is very different from your interpretation of it Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #165

Own it. Cha Aug 2018 #173

Wait. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #190

Own your own words. Cha Aug 2018 #195

You first. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #196

Your trying to blame others for your own words is NOT Cha Aug 2018 #197

You aren't making much sense Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #198

Nope sorry.. people can see what you wrote. Cha Aug 2018 #199

They also likely grasp a basic sense of logic Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #202

Your trying to twist is NOT working. Cha Aug 2018 #203

Actually the only people twisting anything are those unsure Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #204

AOC banned the press from a public event and she Cha Aug 2018 #205

So... nobody on DU attacked her? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #206

Constructive criticism not to ban the press in future is not an attack. betsuni Aug 2018 #209

This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #210

Thank You, betsuni! Cha Aug 2018 #278

LOL betsuni Aug 2018 #163

. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #168

See how he owns what he wrote by turning himself Cha Aug 2018 #174

It's interesting to study the techniques. betsuni Aug 2018 #176

I've seen it so many times Cha Aug 2018 #178

You mean??? sheshe2 Aug 2018 #175

These attacks on me are getting quite personal Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #180

You made a statement. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #181

So you think it broke a rule? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #182

Resolved don't make it right. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #184

So you just want to call me out on it? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #185

You want to end division. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #188

I don't care what you think of her Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #192

+1 nt brer cat Aug 2018 #220

Got your number. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #191

Me thinks you just avoided Cha's comment.. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #183

Banning the press may be a good move in AOC's opinion, but the criticism she is betsuni Aug 2018 #160

"Attacking" and "criticizing" are two entirely different things. George II Aug 2018 #218

My comment applies only to those attacking democrats Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #264

You contradict yourself in that post. George II Aug 2018 #284

In accusing me, most people have contradicted themselves Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #285

You all but did with this: George II Aug 2018 #217

It's pure desperation. When you have nothing you Cha Aug 2018 #141

Instead of David Brock, we are now being paid by the GOP! betsuni Aug 2018 #143

lol.. Talk about the Twilight Zone.. Cha Aug 2018 #150

I haven't received a check. George II Aug 2018 #242

You wouldn't. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #269

No. But if that's the criteria..................... George II Aug 2018 #273

. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #274

"I wonder if they are doing this on their own prerogative or are actually getting paid the money Cha Aug 2018 #139

Are you saying that people are attacking democrats on this board? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #153

That's your quote.. shame on you. Cha Aug 2018 #157

My comment applies only to those attacking democrats Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #270

You are accusing DUers of being paid shills now? sheshe2 Aug 2018 #152

Not actually Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #156

You're denying your own quote. Cha Aug 2018 #159

Yes people on social media do that and I do wonder why Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #162

No no no, I told you. The subthread topic was what's happening on DU. betsuni Aug 2018 #169

.. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #171

Ah, hon. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #170

I'm sure it's been alerted at this point. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #172

And this pleases you? George II Aug 2018 #214

If it is against the rules Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #268

Mochiron, Tiggeroshii. betsuni Aug 2018 #219

Win what? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #267

Well that is fckng nasty. "Paid shlls for the GOP"? Jesus, get a load of you, Tiggeroshii. Hekate Aug 2018 #189

I resent you saying that DU members are being paid to shill for the GOP. George II Aug 2018 #213

Calling DUers "paid shills for the GOP" ehrnst Aug 2018 #227

"Actually people are attacking a general election democrat" heaven05 Aug 2018 #233

Yup, the Alexandria bashers are havin another feeding frenzy. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #107

Too bad you can't handle so many on this board Cha Aug 2018 #177

Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #240

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #186

That is a disgusting image, Power 2 the People. I'll ask this as gently as possible... Hekate Aug 2018 #193

Absolutely! It is disgusting how AOC and other progressive Democrats are treated on this board Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #279

Remember that one time where that guy said the Democrats were the party of the one-percent? NurseJackie Aug 2018 #281

Jackie, if you think progressives are a "very small disgruntled faction of the Democratic party" Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #282

Socialists (self identified and otherwise) not progressives. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #287

Many are one and the same Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #291

So? Who cares? That wasn't the claim being refuted. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #292

You claim to be speaking against socialists instead of progressives. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #295

Press Should Be Invited PaulX2 Aug 2018 #86

bullshit. This was a public town hall still_one Aug 2018 #89

Give me a break. She is treating the press like a light switch that she can turn on and off. RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #90

Alexandria didn't turn the light switch on by herself, it was the constituents of her district Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #95

How can you possibly defend a politician blocking local press from a constituency event? RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #96

The First Amendment protects both "speech" and the "press." Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #98

Simply because you like the candidate is no excuse for accepting Trumpian behavior. RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #100

+1000 sheshe2 Aug 2018 #120

Well "she has been elevated to the mighty lightswitch in the sky." N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #289

They are not constituents. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #286

How does she know ICE people weren't in there with their cell phones taking pictures? pnwmom Aug 2018 #93

exactly still_one Aug 2018 #104

White House bans CNN reporter from press conference still_one Aug 2018 #103

Can black people be racist? Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #106

Spot on again Uncle Joe... as usual!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #108

Is someone a racist who advocates racist policies? Ben Carson, Clarence Thomas, etc.? Were the still_one Aug 2018 #137

still, the issue here isn't racism or other bigotry. it's about banning the media . JI7 Aug 2018 #144

You are absolutely right. I was just addressing the assertion that only those who have power can be still_one Aug 2018 #146

Lots of fake outrage here DeltaLitProf Aug 2018 #109

Precisely!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #110

Looks like we have a winner! Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #142

Hyperbole much? Nobody but you said anything about Cha Aug 2018 #179

Yes, exacty! mountain grammy Aug 2018 #235

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #280

Thrown in the deep end too soon! BobMerlin Aug 2018 #126

I think you hit it, she's made some bad rookie mistakes, hopefully she has a mentor... marble falls Aug 2018 #221

So you think a Latin woman who unseated the #4 Democrat in the House needs a mentor... InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #248

We all need mentors. Even me. She's learning, too. Cutting off the press is a bad move and ... marble falls Aug 2018 #251

So, who should be Alexandria's mentor? And do you really think... InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #260

For a variety of reasons it is not my place to even presume to know better than she who it is she .. marble falls Aug 2018 #263

Remind me again, is she a Democrat or a Republican? LonePirate Aug 2018 #127

The press is excluded from all events held by Texas GOP types Gothmog Aug 2018 #134

And the GOP will pay for it in certain districts and in the other disticts it does not matter... marble falls Aug 2018 #255

My congresscritter has not held a town hall in years Gothmog Aug 2018 #262

Lets be honest. Does that remind anybody of another person? rockfordfile Aug 2018 #132

"Feel safe"? It's a Town Hall to discuss policy, not therapy. I don't get it. betsuni Aug 2018 #133

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #194

She says she meant "to invite vulnerable populations to PUBLIC discourse." ucrdem Aug 2018 #207

Everyone seems to feel safe here at this town hall in the same district: George II Aug 2018 #212

what can you expect heaven05 Aug 2018 #230

Exactly as I expected. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #254

Transparency is important. MY views on that have not changed. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #259

Great videos-thanks for posting Gothmog Aug 2018 #261

If Cortez said this, it was a most ignorant statement and shows off an amatuer's view beachbum bob Aug 2018 #216

It seems like this was written by a CYA-committee... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #231

nothing worse than coming across as an amatuer and the problem is she is one and most likely beachbum bob Aug 2018 #239

And then, there are the overwrought emotionally driven responses claiming she's being "bashed" ... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #243

Does she think the press is the "Enemy", too? PubliusEnigma Aug 2018 #232

Please stop, just stop all of this bickering... Heartstrings Aug 2018 #266

GOTV - by supporting a movement icaria Aug 2018 #283

Yes! Exactly! Heartstrings Aug 2018 #288

I feel that way about Nancy Pelosi ehrnst Aug 2018 #296

I have no idea how this thread got so long Awsi Dooger Aug 2018 #290