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52. According to Republicans, Obama was also a socialist though

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Sun Aug 19, 2018, 06:19 PM

Aug 2018

And if you survive a school shooting, that also apparently makes you a socialist according to them as well.

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Democratic Socialism Derangement Syndrome? [View all] guillaumeb Aug 2018 OP

They should be saying PROGRESSIVE CAPITALISM and not "Socialism." LBM20 Aug 2018 #1

Is there a progressive capitalism? guillaumeb Aug 2018 #2

We are a free market capitalist society, period. Not gonna change. Progressive Capitalism means a LBM20 Aug 2018 #17

simply using federal money (taxes ) in a better way. demigoddess Aug 2018 #42

I stand by my previous statement. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #54

We are whatever we want to be, period. icaria Aug 2018 #66

Please look up the Nordic Model , they are social welfare states yes... JHan Aug 2018 #69

Issues and solutions aren't the problem, Icaria. Hortensis Aug 2018 #73

Wow, that sounds SO familiar. Where have I heard that before? Let me think... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #89

You're showing a lot of wisdom there or, as they say on the Greek island of Icaria, σοφία George II Aug 2018 #91

Now that you mention it, and no, it is not your imagination. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #92

I agree heaven05 Aug 2018 #113

Well, it's a relief to no longer be on ignore. ehrnst Aug 2018 #96

won't work heaven05 Aug 2018 #112

What would you call Elizabeth Warren? dansolo Aug 2018 #20

I did not say eliminated, I said regulated. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #57

You denounced capitalism and posted a link to an article highlighting socialists dansolo Aug 2018 #74

I described US predatory capitalism. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #102

That's why we have to have a regulated capitalism. Adrahil Aug 2018 #31

Except they are NOT capitalists SkyDancer Aug 2018 #45

Who isn't? (n/t) OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #49

The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism or Nordic social democracy) ehrnst Aug 2018 #97

Doesn't matter gyroscope Aug 2018 #72

The words socialism and capitalism both have negative connotations, depending on one's perspective. brush Aug 2018 #88

the ideology heaven05 Aug 2018 #3

The programs that you named are all features of a social democracy. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #5

Let me be more specific heaven05 Aug 2018 #15

You seem very upset. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #47

no heaven05 Aug 2018 #85

The Democratic Party is not a monolith. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #53

with one minor faction heaven05 Aug 2018 #86

Social Democracy is different from Democratic Socialism... SidDithers Aug 2018 #23

It's like a gunner argument. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #48

See, I think a lot of this "hysteria" is manufactured largely in part kcr Aug 2018 #4

And the Congressional Black Caucus proposes excellent alternative budgets guillaumeb Aug 2018 #6

Our media is a big part of the problem, for sure. kcr Aug 2018 #24

That was a good read Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #7

You are welcome. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #11

The right will cry socialism regardless. David__77 Aug 2018 #8

Determining the proper mix is key. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #12

Honestly I think the terms socialism and capitalism may be fairly useless. David__77 Aug 2018 #38

I agree with both of your excellent points. eom guillaumeb Aug 2018 #55

this too is making me tear my hair out. librechik Aug 2018 #9

An excellent response. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #13

You're gonna lament the lack of history and civics education in THIS thread? OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #19

We continue to let them get away with calling our system capitalism, but it's not. CrispyQ Aug 2018 #10

An excellent observation. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #14

And we are also not "socialist." We are really capitalist free market system with some rules and LBM20 Aug 2018 #18

Not gonna click on commondreams, so this may not be pertinent. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #16

This far, I think two congressional Democratic primary winners are DSA members. David__77 Aug 2018 #37

commondreams. LOL...nt SidDithers Aug 2018 #21

Laughable is rejecting without reading. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #56

I read it too and laughed. JHan Aug 2018 #71

Eugene Debs ideology? No heaven05 Aug 2018 #22

Every time someone puts up clickbait nonsense about how divided Democrats are, some numbskull Squinch Aug 2018 #25

That covers it. nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #90

guillaumbeb, thank you saidsimplesimon Aug 2018 #26

Thank you, guillaumeb Aug 2018 #58

Still, wherever an individual is on the Democratic or moderate spectrum, or the whole political empedocles Aug 2018 #27

lol Debs ! stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #28

It's a fad Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #29

Did Common Dreams endorse Hillary over Trump? Shumi Aug 2018 #30

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #59

I'll take that as a "no" Shumi Aug 2018 #87

Socialism has been tried in full Progressive dog Aug 2018 #32

Yes, you can only distribute what's produced. David__77 Aug 2018 #36

According to Republicans, Obama was also a socialist though ck4829 Aug 2018 #52

That is true Progressive dog Aug 2018 #118

K & R and thank you. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #33

Amen. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #60

"Revolutionaries" desperate need to overestimate their importance. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #34

+1000. They're sincere oppositionists to the rest of the party Hortensis Aug 2018 #82

First, as has been stated, Democratic Socialism's messaging sucks ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #35

'Socialist', however poor it is for Dem election messaging, empedocles Aug 2018 #40

Very true ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #41

The GOP is excellent at framing and messaging. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #61

They ARE unreachable ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #79

We would pay more in taxes. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #103

What I don't apprecate... yallerdawg Aug 2018 #39

Is it so hard to acknowledge that there are two legitimate arguments meadowlander Aug 2018 #43

When do they ever talk about socialism? ucrdem Aug 2018 #44

The US is a 2 party system by design. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #63

And Bernie makes 3 ucrdem Aug 2018 #67

++++ heaven05 Aug 2018 #117

Every Single Country in the World is Some Mixture of Capitalism and Socialism. dlk Aug 2018 #46

K&R ck4829 Aug 2018 #50

I grew up in the 50s. I'm a boomer. vlyons Aug 2018 #51

History is written by the winners. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #62

Good description of boomers' indoctrination icaria Aug 2018 #65

+1 ck4829 Aug 2018 #75

That's an fascinating personal history. lapucelle Aug 2018 #94

Did anyone ever stop to think that the Democratic Party is the way it is because.... George II Aug 2018 #95

What do you mean when you say "Third Way?" ehrnst Aug 2018 #98

why does this heaven05 Aug 2018 #114

Are they Socialists first or Democrats first? haele Aug 2018 #64

The two aren't mutually exclusive. meadowlander Aug 2018 #70

Capitalism makes $$ poetshepherd Aug 2018 #68

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #104

The Nordic model has also be referred to as "Social Capitalism" CentralMass Aug 2018 #76

Kicking... CanSocDem Aug 2018 #77

Aw. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #78

How insightful. eom guillaumeb Aug 2018 #105

... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #111

Millennials have NOT "grown disillusioned with capitalism"... George II Aug 2018 #80

OK ck4829 Aug 2018 #83

Isn't YouGov the survey that always pointed you toward one candidate you were most aligned with bettyellen Aug 2018 #109

YouGov polls can tend to "direct" a respondent to the response they want to hear. Mostly.... George II Aug 2018 #110

Capitalism is great at CREATING wealth. It's absolutely shit-horrible in DISTRIBUTING that wealth. HughBeaumont Aug 2018 #81

Wealth might have something to do with it. CentralMass Aug 2018 #84

Well said, and I agree. eom guillaumeb Aug 2018 #106

No Kidding! CanSocDem Aug 2018 #116

THis is so simple it is embarrassing. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #93

'something I have advocated for my entire life' melman Aug 2018 #100

Always, every single time I talk about it. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #101

Medicare for all enjoys strong support. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #107

And I think that there are certain obstacles to implementing the kind of government ehrnst Aug 2018 #99

Framing is essential. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #108

Framing is very difficult to keep control of - as we saw in the last election ehrnst Aug 2018 #115

Excellent observations, guillaumeb Aug 2018 #119