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maxrandb

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131. No

Sun Aug 19, 2018, 07:49 PM

Aug 2018

But women and children...hell ANYBODY has a right to make an accusation, but that "accusation" does NOT have the right to immediately ruin the accused's life.

You want an accusation to immediately ruin your life?

You can be a believer in the fact that victims of domestic violence, sexual harrassment and sexual assault should have their accusations taken seriously and investigated, but NONE of us should support what is the equivalent of the Salem Witch Hunts.

Why is it that some want to treat the accusation as if the Red Queen we're conducting the trial if that accusation comes from a women???

That's not what the me too movement is about.

We're making it pretty fucking simple for Donnie Shit for Brains, the Retrumplicans and the Russians to take out Democrats if that's going to be the standard.

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Karen Monahan threatens to release more info about Keith Ellison, [View all] pnwmom Aug 2018 OP

Sick of the right doing this Matthew28 Aug 2018 #1

Why are you blaming this on the right? Wouldn't it make more sense, if the right pnwmom Aug 2018 #3

doubt it's the right per se qazplm135 Aug 2018 #70

What am I missing. Isn't the primary over with Ellison winning? brush Aug 2018 #101

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #86

Release your evidence mcar Aug 2018 #2

Actually, to the Reeps, it is a game. ananda Aug 2018 #4

Yes mcar Aug 2018 #6

agree JI7 Aug 2018 #10

Does a woman have a right to be believed or not? GatoGordo Aug 2018 #13

No. David__77 Aug 2018 #21

they have a right to be heard and accusation taken seriously JI7 Aug 2018 #24

I don't think that's in the constitution. LisaL Aug 2018 #27

Of course mcar Aug 2018 #60

Not unless he files a lawsuit claiming defamation. She has the right to free speech, pnwmom Aug 2018 #72

Yes, that is true mcar Aug 2018 #76

Yeah, it would have been better a year ago. But they didn't break up till a couple years ago. pnwmom Aug 2018 #79

Love... at140 Aug 2018 #90

Welcome to DU, at140! nt pnwmom Aug 2018 #91

wow thank you at140 Aug 2018 #94

I started during the George Bush era. It did feel like the underground then. pnwmom Aug 2018 #96

Wait a minute. He won the primary. He is the nominee. Has every one forgotten? brush Aug 2018 #128

no she has a right to be taken seriously qazplm135 Aug 2018 #67

No Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #80

Sixth term and it's just coming out now. LakeArenal Aug 2018 #5

The relationship ended two years ago, so it wouldn't have come out pnwmom Aug 2018 #8

Sounds like b.s. Why wouldn't she release the whole thing NOW? oasis Aug 2018 #7

I think it would be humiliating to have a video released of yourself being dragged off a bed. pnwmom Aug 2018 #11

But the accusation was made that such a video exists. LisaL Aug 2018 #26

The son made the accusation, not the mother. spooky3 Aug 2018 #33

Mother says the accusation is true, so doesn't matter who made it first. LisaL Aug 2018 #36

If there was a video of a woman being raped, would she have to publicly release the video pnwmom Aug 2018 #38

Not publicly, but presumably such a video would have to be given to police if this woman wanted to LisaL Aug 2018 #42

So a woman is required to press charges if she is abused? Either that or she has to shut up forever? pnwmom Aug 2018 #46

Nobody is required to press charges. LisaL Aug 2018 #50

Remember, it was her son that described seeing the video -- and said it wasn't his. pnwmom Aug 2018 #54

Nobody says she is required to release it. LisaL Aug 2018 #57

I'm curious how Cha Aug 2018 #32

My guess would be a hidden camera in an object, that's how. LisaL Aug 2018 #35

That makes more sense.. By Karen expecting she might Cha Aug 2018 #40

But from what I see, it was said to be recorded in his house mythology Aug 2018 #89

This is a good point, Cha ProudLib72 Aug 2018 #98

What's not strange is the timing. There's no better time to damage a Democrat... brush Aug 2018 #129

He did not want her on/in his bed. alphafemale Aug 2018 #104

Since Ellison is denying this, produce the video or withdraw the accusation. OnDoutside Aug 2018 #9

No. She should be able to make her accusation without having to produce pnwmom Aug 2018 #12

Then she shouldn't even mention the video marylandblue Aug 2018 #14

She didn't mention the video -- her son did. I just added his Facebook post to the OP. pnwmom Aug 2018 #16

If it were my mother, I would not speak of the incident at all marylandblue Aug 2018 #18

If this is true, he's a 25 year old who was horrified by what happened to his mother. pnwmom Aug 2018 #23

Yes but it is not his story to tell, it is hers nt marylandblue Aug 2018 #30

The part that is HIS to tell is how he was using her computer pnwmom Aug 2018 #41

No doubt he was upset, but it's still not his information marylandblue Aug 2018 #65

He had probably been reading her tweets over the last weeks and months. pnwmom Aug 2018 #75

Well fine, but if she didn't reveal his name, he shouldn't have marylandblue Aug 2018 #78

But why is that an important issue? He's 25, a young adult, and he made a mistake. pnwmom Aug 2018 #82

Well maybe it is a mistake and he'll just have to live with the consequences marylandblue Aug 2018 #84

If his story is not true... tonedevil Aug 2018 #115

She has text messages and tweets. Those should say a lot. nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #22

I think I saw one, she ranted at him and then they agreed to meet marylandblue Aug 2018 #25

He claims the video doesn't exist because he never behaved in such a way. LisaL Aug 2018 #28

In light of the Franken knifing, I wholeheartedly disagree. Monahan made her accusation, Ellison OnDoutside Aug 2018 #15

Do you agree that it is possible that the son is telling the truth? He is the one who chose to spooky3 Aug 2018 #20

I do agree it is possible, but Ellison says there is no video, so one of them is lying, and that OnDoutside Aug 2018 #34

I totally agree that another Franken recurrence would be awful. It looks to me as if spooky3 Aug 2018 #39

So women and their children don't get to make accusations now unless they can produce a video? n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #44

Again, if you claim there is a video, people would expect to see the video. LisaL Aug 2018 #55

The son made the claim, and the video doesn't belong to him. And the video supposedly pnwmom Aug 2018 #77

When they said they actually had a video ? No, of course they can OnDoutside Aug 2018 #97

No maxrandb Aug 2018 #131

She doesn't have to produce the video just because her son posted publicly about seeing it. pnwmom Aug 2018 #74

Videos can be redacted jberryhill Aug 2018 #61

she can make whatever accusation she wants qazplm135 Aug 2018 #69

It's disturbing to me, especially given #MeToo, that some people are not waiting to spooky3 Aug 2018 #17

I think you've got it backwards. kcr Aug 2018 #88

Who made the video? cachukis Aug 2018 #19

How would there be a video of this? BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2018 #29

Doesn't have to be a third party. LisaL Aug 2018 #31

Good point....I was thinking more kinky ! OnDoutside Aug 2018 #37

Yes, some people have security cameras inside their homes - to watch child care providers, spooky3 Aug 2018 #43

Well, this one must have been pointing at her bed. LisaL Aug 2018 #45

when people install these, they often install them throughout the home. spooky3 Aug 2018 #47

Pointing at ones bed? LisaL Aug 2018 #52

Come on, you are really stretching. I've already explained to you why it is possible spooky3 Aug 2018 #56

Where did I say it wasn't possible? LisaL Aug 2018 #58

Don't some computers have the capability for this? I remember a controversy pnwmom Aug 2018 #48

Yes, of course, modern ones have cameras build in. LisaL Aug 2018 #51

Yeah, that could be. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2018 #49

There are more simple explanations hardluck Aug 2018 #100

Powerful Men Abuse Women, Period dlk Aug 2018 #53

Seems suspicious timing wise. KPN Aug 2018 #59

Standard Procedure... at140 Aug 2018 #92

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #62

Hi!!! My first post below... Claritie Pixie Aug 2018 #63

Been thinking about this for awhile oldtime dfl_er Aug 2018 #64

I agree. If the concern is she could be humiliated by release of the video, LisaL Aug 2018 #66

It's pretty simple actual marylandblue Aug 2018 #68

Its simpler than that. Get an attorney. Go to the cops. Claritie Pixie Aug 2018 #71

Attorney would be biased. marylandblue Aug 2018 #73

Most domestic violence victims don't press charges Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #103

So are we to consider... tonedevil Aug 2018 #117

No, but we also shouldn't consider her claims to not be legitimate Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #120

At this point we have... tonedevil Aug 2018 #124

Good question Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #125

Timing snowybirdie Aug 2018 #81

It would be worse if it was after he was the nominee. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #83

A Couple Things Jake Stern Aug 2018 #85

This is before the primary election. It would have been much worse before the General. pnwmom Aug 2018 #87

Maybe. But I see a lot of people saying it seems like an Al Franken hit job. kcr Aug 2018 #122

Why are so many MFM008 Aug 2018 #93

There's another Democrat running for the same office, who might be a better opponent pnwmom Aug 2018 #95

Monohan pivots and now says she WON'T release "video" ck4829 Aug 2018 #99

Maybe she should get on to Mark Burnett ? He's a great man for tapes.... OnDoutside Aug 2018 #102

A lot of you throwing the "BS" flag obviously don't have any experience with domestic violence Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #105

Excellent post JonLP24 Aug 2018 #106

Just release that video, then, Ms. Monahan. You say it exists, so let's see it. MineralMan Aug 2018 #107

Textbook example of how DV victims are shamed Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #108

I'm doing nothing of the sort. If there is video evidence of this, MineralMan Aug 2018 #109

Oh you are doing it. You just can't see what your doing Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #110

So, what are voters supposed to do? Just believe her now and vote against the guy? IluvPitties Aug 2018 #112

I laid that out in the post you just responded to Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #116

Expecting someone to back up such serious claims is n when they say they have proof is not shaming nini Aug 2018 #118

Honestly, timing is suspect. IluvPitties Aug 2018 #111

This feels more like an "Acorn" scam than Greybnk48 Aug 2018 #113

just out of curiosity noobareus Aug 2018 #114

No MichMan Aug 2018 #130

This will not be resolved easily. He-said-she-said rarely is. DFW Aug 2018 #119

All she needs to do show the tape to a respected journalist who can confirm it exists. davsand Aug 2018 #121

"I was using my mom's computer trying to download something and I clicked on a file." VOX Aug 2018 #123

If somebody says they have proof, they need to show it! ananda Aug 2018 #126

When I was 14... Charlotte Little Aug 2018 #127