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Humanist_Activist

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34. I would say a gradual buy in program would lead to less "sticker shock"...

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 05:52 PM

Aug 2018

So, for example, allow 55+ year old enroll, then children below the age of 18, then, year after year, allow people at 5/10 year increments, by age, enroll in it until everyone, from cradle to grave, is covered.

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Question about Medicare 4 all, how would it cost more than the current system? [View all] Humanist_Activist Aug 2018 OP

It won't. Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #1

:) It won't be less expensive because it will provide Hortensis Aug 2018 #15

According the koch funded study, it will actually be less expensive than Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #42

The Kochs are implacably opposed to all government programs, Hortensis Aug 2018 #44

It clearly wasnt intentional Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #46

Then why won't you accept all the points that the study makes? dansolo Aug 2018 #62

? Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #70

How did 2 trillion become 20 trillion? dansolo Aug 2018 #61

Wait, wait, ME FIRST Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #2

It could be an issue to get elected on. That's a reason. It could be a way of taking control of the JCanete Aug 2018 #5

+1 It's a very sellable issue. Look at the polling on it. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #20

I would prefer we shifted the overton window on this issue so that it is within the realm of... Humanist_Activist Aug 2018 #6

So your answer is yes, risk continued power by nazi's and fascists to achieve the unachievable. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #7

Is advocating for Medicare 4 all going to cost even 1 vote? n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2018 #9

Isnt what is happening, what is happening is positioned democrats who WILL win their Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #10

It can just as easily inspire voters to come out. theaocp Aug 2018 #12

OK, we will hold you to that, if the Dems dont take back both the house and senate, you can Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #14

I gave you a reasonable alternative and that's your response? theaocp Aug 2018 #30

Reasonable alternative to WHAT? WHAT are you TALKING about? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #37

Why is that the path of least resistance? Being uninspiring is the path of least resistance? JCanete Aug 2018 #60

What seats are at risk because of this advocacy, and moreover, when will ever be the right time? n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2018 #16

This is madness. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #17

What is madness, advocating for positive policy changes? n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2018 #21

Somehow it's never the right time. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #18

Madness, or. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #22

Cowardice. tonedevil Aug 2018 #58

i was trying to discuss the fascist threat very indirectly above. Hortensis Aug 2018 #49

So one can only pursue one goal, guillaumeb Aug 2018 #52

Very soon this will all be moot. Either the same "approach" that got us rump in the Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #71

Medicare isn't sufficient. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #3

Both the house and senate bills, every session Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #19

Um - not true re first paragraph. And re 2nd - Medicare For All is already better than regular Nanjeanne Aug 2018 #31

Perhaps instead of a national insurance plan for everybody, why not a ... SWBTATTReg Aug 2018 #4

Thats basically what many states had pre-ACA. It was a bad idea then and a bad idea now. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2018 #8

Part of the point of it would be to provide coverage for the vast number of people who Squinch Aug 2018 #11

My question isn't will the costs rise, will my taxes increase by 340 dollars a month... Humanist_Activist Aug 2018 #23

It would cover tens of millions more people. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #13

We all paid into Medicare during our working lives. That pays for hospital stays. wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #24

We would continue to do so, my question is would the additional cost for adding everyone... Humanist_Activist Aug 2018 #25

I don't think any of us knows for sure. wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #28

Even that seems like a bargain for me, when I use my insurance, it costs a pretty penny... Humanist_Activist Aug 2018 #33

Nobody here can point to a study that answers that question. wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #26

Koch brothers actually released one that answered that question Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #40

Why don't you post a link to the actual study itself? dansolo Aug 2018 #63

While it is something we need to do, Medicare for all will not be a lot Hoyt Aug 2018 #27

My Medicare plus my pretty inclusive "N" supplement costs me less than $300/month. I'd say that's Nanjeanne Aug 2018 #32

Well, you have to add in what you and others have paid into the system for 40 years. Hoyt Aug 2018 #35

This MichMan Aug 2018 #38

Exactly. I think we have to bite the bullet and do it, but anyone Hoyt Aug 2018 #47

No I don't. If people are paying in during their working time in taxes, it's still taxes. Nanjeanne Aug 2018 #39

I'm not arguing against it. But it ain't going to be the cheap panacea you believe. Hoyt Aug 2018 #45

I don't believe I ever said it was going to be a cheap panacea so not sure why you Nanjeanne Aug 2018 #48

You have to consider the cost of Medicare now, plus the cost of Hoyt Aug 2018 #51

You have to consider how much we spend on healthcare in this country of all the Nanjeanne Aug 2018 #55

Naive is thinking that Medicare for All will produce significant savings, especially picking up Hoyt Aug 2018 #57

Ok you win. Every country that produces better results for less money and more people Nanjeanne Aug 2018 #64

Not trying to win. Unfortunately, our health system is not structured like every other country, to Hoyt Aug 2018 #67

"Medicare for All" is actually misleading, but great marketing. ehrnst Aug 2018 #69

I would say a gradual buy in program would lead to less "sticker shock"... Humanist_Activist Aug 2018 #34

Something like that. I do think a voluntary program will be easier to enact. Hoyt Aug 2018 #36

The cost "savings" assumes everybody is enrolled in 4 years dansolo Aug 2018 #65

I doubt it will pass like that, although I'd be fine with it. Joe the Plumber will go berserk, Hoyt Aug 2018 #66

First, we need more providers ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #29

+1. Always laugh when people think Medicare-for-All will cut out tons of administrative costs. Hoyt Aug 2018 #68

It would all but certainly not be more expensive dsc Aug 2018 #41

Just got kicked from Medicaid to Medicare... backtoblue Aug 2018 #43

It won't. Also employers will pay less for Healthcare with Medicare for All KWR65 Aug 2018 #50

All those countries finance it with a VAT among other revenues MichMan Aug 2018 #53

We wouldn't need a VAT. KWR65 Aug 2018 #54

It won't, but it will redistribute the costs DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #56

PNHP area51 Aug 2018 #59