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50. the attorney guest on Rachel just now reiterated how the failure to publish the

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documents is likely contributing to the time now needed by the jury to review them.

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Something is off about the Manafort deliberations.... [View all] fallout87 Aug 2018 OP

If the jury was moving toward a deadlock, madaboutharry Aug 2018 #1

Or Putin got to somebody's family. And if he didnt do it THIS time, he will do it on Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #19

I agree! We don't know what the hell is going on at these jurors' homes KCDebbie Aug 2018 #69

This is true. Tucker08087 Aug 2018 #53

I sure hope so. And you are probably right fallout87 Aug 2018 #68

This case has a) a lot more documents and b) more individual charges RockRaven Aug 2018 #2

Assumption is the mother of all (foul)ups. Your assumption is false. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #3

It's probably just because there are SO MANY charges to discuss and go over donkeypoofed Aug 2018 #4

The judge didn't allow a lot of evidentiary documentation in the courtroom. yallerdawg Aug 2018 #5

No he didn't. former9thward Aug 2018 #14

You can read about the case, you know. yallerdawg Aug 2018 #22

So? former9thward Aug 2018 #28

The judge admitted evidence that was not reviewed in front of the jury. yallerdawg Aug 2018 #38

This iamateacher Aug 2018 #56

yellerdawg is right... Relatively little of the admitted documents were "published' (i.e., discussed hlthe2b Aug 2018 #45

the attorney guest on Rachel just now reiterated how the failure to publish the spooky3 Aug 2018 #50

Exactly... hlthe2b Aug 2018 #51

So you're taking the "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV" defense, eh? LanternWaste Aug 2018 #80

They WERE entered into evidence but the judge said the jury could see some during deliberations. pnwmom Aug 2018 #24

And, the jury WAS given a pile of documents and was told "no" spooky3 Aug 2018 #32

Good for them if they are taking their time Raven123 Aug 2018 #37

agree nt spooky3 Aug 2018 #40

18 charges with a crazy # of documents. sarcasmo Aug 2018 #6

17 charges and maybe 20 hours of deliberation. That's about 70 minutes per charge. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #7

No, your totally wrong Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #8

The judge should have made sure every item of evidence was explained sarah FAILIN Aug 2018 #9

No, he should not have. former9thward Aug 2018 #16

So just let the jury wander about then? sarah FAILIN Aug 2018 #21

Yes. That is court procedure anywhere. former9thward Aug 2018 #25

It is NOT courtroom procedure in most places to allow items to be put into evidence pnwmom Aug 2018 #41

I would match my courtroom experience against yours any day. former9thward Aug 2018 #61

I would match my reading of the reports about this case against yours. pnwmom Aug 2018 #66

They asked about reasonable doubt and he said to look at the instructions Renew Deal Aug 2018 #26

What I said is factual. sarah FAILIN Aug 2018 #36

You're right Renew Deal Aug 2018 #78

No biggie sarah FAILIN Aug 2018 #79

That is just ONE of the things they asked about. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #42

Not true. He allowed some items to be entered into evidence but not shown to the jury, pnwmom Aug 2018 #29

You like to comment on my posts no matter what the subject. former9thward Aug 2018 #31

If I see someone say something that isn't factually true, I might comment. pnwmom Aug 2018 #48

If it's stipulated as relavant by the Prosecution and Defence... AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #47

Oh bullshit - not even comparable jberryhill Aug 2018 #10

Not getting concerned until after tomorrow. Sneederbunk Aug 2018 #11

This case is less complicated? Are you kidding me? White collar financial crimes are almost always octoberlib Aug 2018 #12

That's was my thought as well. BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #44

That's what happens when jurors judge graft and bribery adn tax evasion cases Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #13

This case is more complicated than the Zimmerman case flyingfysh Aug 2018 #15

Basically agree, except the 6 jurors in Zman case didn't understand "murder" or lesser charges. Hoyt Aug 2018 #57

Fellow American citizens are... NCTraveler Aug 2018 #17

Manafort faces 18 counts in the VA trial... Equally important, the judge, in trying to expedite hlthe2b Aug 2018 #18

If there was a problem, jurors would be asking more questions of the judge wishstar Aug 2018 #20

The Zimmerman case didn't involve almost 400 financial documents, pnwmom Aug 2018 #23

A member of the cult is sitting on the jury? kentuck Aug 2018 #27

This is nothing like the Zimmerman case. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #30

Pour vous: sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #71

Completely different kind of case. elleng Aug 2018 #33

Acquittal would be in already aeromanKC Aug 2018 #34

What does this have in common with a murder trial? EllieBC Aug 2018 #35

This case is more complicated than the Zimmerman. Lots of charges and documents. honest.abe Aug 2018 #39

Acquittals often happen quickly dawg day Aug 2018 #43

The jurors were reported to be sitting in a tight DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #46

I love your powers of deduction and hope you are right. Doodley Aug 2018 #63

Can't take credit DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #67

After witnessing your honesty and modesty, I think even more highly of you. Doodley Aug 2018 #70

😙 sprinkleeninow Aug 2018 #72

Thanks DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #75

This case is vastly more complicated than the Zimmerman case dsc Aug 2018 #49

Basically agree, although Zman jury did manage to screw up a much "simpler" case. Hoyt Aug 2018 #59

A key indicator is that the jury bonded together early. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #52

What's off is your understanding of this case and the number of charges. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #54

I agree Catherine Vincent Aug 2018 #55

That would be a devastating blow to the future of America. Doodley Aug 2018 #64

they gonna let him skate I bet Puzzledtraveller Aug 2018 #58

Apples and oranges comparison Jarqui Aug 2018 #60

Smart Jury bpj62 Aug 2018 #62

Good example of what the jurors are dealing with DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #76

There is a heck of a lot more documentary evidence... Trueblue Texan Aug 2018 #65

Manafort will be pardoned in Months Bo Aug 2018 #73

I was on a jury, the trial lasted about 4 days Raine Aug 2018 #74

you clearly don't understand trials with multi counts AND financial crimes beachbum bob Aug 2018 #77