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Showing Original Post only (View all)The H1B issue: Yes, American workers, YOU DO QUALIFY FOR THAT JOB. [View all]
This is a direct response to this thread that dishonestly and unfairly attacks American workers. This is an exercise of my God-given right to defend American workers.
Firstly, I will kick this off with that which would usually be put off to the end as a conclusion: the only thing that disqualifies Americans for jobs that H1B visa holders are getting, is Americans won't work for peanuts.
Second of all, I'm going to address the core half-truth that was used to support the argument that "No, you don't qualify for that job":
According to the US Census bureau, in 2009, out of the entire population of the United States - the educational levels are as follows:
17.6% of the population holds a bachelors degree.
7.2% holds a masters degree.
1.9% hold a professional degree.
1.2% hold a doctorate degree.
17.6% of the population holds a bachelors degree.
7.2% holds a masters degree.
1.9% hold a professional degree.
1.2% hold a doctorate degree.
To this, I present a counter point: that counter point being reality.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mee-the-brainiac-homeless-man-with-a-ph-d-that-cant-find-a-job/
Times are tough. Perhaps the chilling economic realities can be best encapsulated by the tragic story of Dr. Maurice Johnson. Despite holding a doctorate in plasma physics from Dartmouth College and a masters in electrical engineering and acoustics from Purdue University, Johnson, 55, claims that he is homeless and without a job.
Now we must get to the other central argument:
It is illegal to pay H1B Visa workers wages that are lower than the prevailing wage.
Reality: It is also illegal to steal cars, but 1 million are stolen every year. Likewise:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/us/whistle-blower-claiming-visa-fraud-keeps-his-job-but-not-his-work.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
It has been 17 months since Jack B. Palmer first made a quiet complaint through internal channels at Infosys, the giant Indian outsourcing company he works for, saying he suspected some managers were committing visa fraud. Since then, Mr. Palmer says, he has been harassed by superiors and co-workers, sidelined with no work assignment, shut out of the companys computers, denied bonuses and hounded by death threats.
It has been 17 months since Jack B. Palmer first made a quiet complaint through internal channels at Infosys, the giant Indian outsourcing company he works for, saying he suspected some managers were committing visa fraud. Since then, Mr. Palmer says, he has been harassed by superiors and co-workers, sidelined with no work assignment, shut out of the companys computers, denied bonuses and hounded by death threats.
http://www.happyschoolsblog.com/11-arrested-in-h1b-visa-fraud-upto-20-years-in-prison/
DES MOINES, Iowa U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents arrested 11 individuals in six states on Wednesday as part of an investigation into suspected visa and mail fraud. Matthew G. Whitaker, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Iowa, announced the operation, which was carried out by federal, state and local law enforcement agencies in Iowa, California, Massachusetts, Texas, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and New Jersey.
DES MOINES, Iowa U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents arrested 11 individuals in six states on Wednesday as part of an investigation into suspected visa and mail fraud. Matthew G. Whitaker, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Iowa, announced the operation, which was carried out by federal, state and local law enforcement agencies in Iowa, California, Massachusetts, Texas, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and New Jersey.
Hint: these workers weren't paid a prevailing wage.
BUT WAIT!!!! There's more! This goes way beyond just H1B's! Take a look at what's happening with J1 visa holders:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/us/18immig.html?pagewanted=all
PALMYRA, Pa. Hundreds of foreign students, waving their fists and shouting defiantly in many languages, walked off their jobs on Wednesday at a plant here that packs Hersheys chocolates, saying a summer program that was supposed to be a cultural exchange had instead turned them into underpaid labor.
PALMYRA, Pa. Hundreds of foreign students, waving their fists and shouting defiantly in many languages, walked off their jobs on Wednesday at a plant here that packs Hersheys chocolates, saying a summer program that was supposed to be a cultural exchange had instead turned them into underpaid labor.
The point? H1B visa holders are being imported as cheap labor, while Americans holding DOCTORATES in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) related fields are going without jobs.
Next, I will point out this:
Relative to any of the most common benchmarks the cost of living, the wages of the average worker, or average productivity levels the current federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour is well below its historical value. These usual reference points, however, understate the true erosion in the minimum wage in recent decades because the average low-wage worker today is both older and much better educated than the average low-wage worker was in the past.
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And let us also examine this, the shortage of jobs for engineers. The going pro-free trade argument of the day is that America needs more H1B workers because we don't have enough engineers. Even a cursory examination of the situation in America shows that this is bullshit.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/06/06/the-death-of-us-engineering/
The alleged "shortage" of US engineering graduates is inconsistent with reports from Duke University that 30 to 40 percent of students in its masters of engineering management program accept jobs outside the profession. About one-third of engineering graduates from MIT go into careers outside their field. Job outsourcing and work visas for foreign engineers are reducing career opportunities for American engineering graduates and, also, reducing salary scales.
The alleged "shortage" of US engineering graduates is inconsistent with reports from Duke University that 30 to 40 percent of students in its masters of engineering management program accept jobs outside the profession. About one-third of engineering graduates from MIT go into careers outside their field. Job outsourcing and work visas for foreign engineers are reducing career opportunities for American engineering graduates and, also, reducing salary scales.
Read that last part, DUers. REDUCING SALARY SCALES.
If we need more engineers then why are engineering salaries going down? Who ever heard of a wage stagnation in an industry where workers are in short supply?
How many unemployed engineers do we have?
http://www.techjournal.org/2012/02/many-engineers-remain-unemployed-despite-reported-tech-skills-shortages/
For a complete review of the American Community Survey, including a table containing detailed employment figures for specific engineering degrees, visit the Center for Immigration Studies website at: http://cis.org/obama-and-engineers
The 2010 American Community Survey shows:
There are 101,000 U.S.-born individuals with engineering degrees who are unemployed.
There are an additional 244,000 U.S.-born individuals under age 65 who have a degree in engineering but who are not in the labor market. This means they are not working nor are they looking for work, and are therefore not counted as unemployed.
In addition to those unemployed and out of the labor force, there are an additional 1.47 million U.S.-born individuals who report they have an engineering degree and have a job, but do not work as engineers.
President Obama specifically used the words highly skilled. In 2010, there were 25,000 unemployed U.S.-born individuals with engineering degrees who have a Masters or Ph.D. and another 68,000 with advanced degrees not in the labor force. There were also 489,000 U.S.-born individuals with graduate degrees who were working, but not as engineers.
For a complete review of the American Community Survey, including a table containing detailed employment figures for specific engineering degrees, visit the Center for Immigration Studies website at: http://cis.org/obama-and-engineers
The 2010 American Community Survey shows:
There are 101,000 U.S.-born individuals with engineering degrees who are unemployed.
There are an additional 244,000 U.S.-born individuals under age 65 who have a degree in engineering but who are not in the labor market. This means they are not working nor are they looking for work, and are therefore not counted as unemployed.
In addition to those unemployed and out of the labor force, there are an additional 1.47 million U.S.-born individuals who report they have an engineering degree and have a job, but do not work as engineers.
President Obama specifically used the words highly skilled. In 2010, there were 25,000 unemployed U.S.-born individuals with engineering degrees who have a Masters or Ph.D. and another 68,000 with advanced degrees not in the labor force. There were also 489,000 U.S.-born individuals with graduate degrees who were working, but not as engineers.
Yes, folks, there are thousands of US born highly qualified engineers who do not have jobs. Master's and PhD degree holders, folks.
"No, you don't qualify for that job"?
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Unless someone wants to argue that Americans with Master's or PhD degrees in engineering are idiots.
Now why, you must ask yourself, would corporations be pushing these lies? Profit, of course. Cheaper labor means more profits. The path to cheaper labor is to bring in H1B's. How bad is this situation? Well, how's this for bad?
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Corporations are whining and crying about the low H1B visa limits - something like under 80,000 per year. Perhaps they should be hiring those 1.47 million American workers who have engineering degrees but aren't working as engineers?
YES, AMERICAN WORKERS, YOU ARE QUALIFIED FOR THAT JOB!
Now get out and use force to make your voice heard. VOTE. Kill the H1B visa program. Kill it dead.
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The video at the end is the end all to the H1 argument, these companies are taught NOT TO HIRE
uponit7771
Aug 2012
#3
There could be a number of factors for this including the Obama admin catching on to H1B visa issues
uponit7771
Aug 2012
#17
It has, and always will be about procuring cheap labor, laws are meant to be sidelined by the new
mother earth
Aug 2012
#6
There is NO shortage of qualified americans, only a corporate desire to pay less than market rates
on point
Aug 2012
#7
Prevailing wage is the one published by the DOL and freely available online
WilmywoodNCparalegal
Aug 2012
#25
Except that's not what's happening. Did you read the links in the OP and in the thread, btw?
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#36
Post #34 is further proof that H1Bs are underpaid. Do you have any counter-evidence?
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#54
Lots of inaccuracies about H-1Bs and a general misunderstanding of how the legal immigration process
WilmywoodNCparalegal
Aug 2012
#24
Could you at least be consistent when trying to justify destroying my profession?
jeff47
Aug 2012
#45
I would bet that master's or phd degrees in engineering are not needed for many of those "jobs".
L0oniX
Aug 2012
#30
The underpayment of H-1Bs is well-established fact, not rumor, anecdote or ideology.
antigop
Aug 2012
#34
Enough with the anti-American worker bigotry. Those jobs belong to us. Period. Dot. Stop.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#68
I'm pro-immigrant and therefore think that they should *be* American citizens.
joshcryer
Aug 2012
#72
They're being used as pools of cheap labor. You keep denying this. Why is that?
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#74
I want the American citizen Engineers who are out of work to get those jobs first. Period.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#78
As I said, ultranationalism. I want whoever is experienced to get whatever...
joshcryer
Aug 2012
#79
You lie once again. The problem is not incompetency, though you'd like to accuse Americans of that.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#85
It has everything to do with cheap labor. You are still wrong in accusing Americans of incompetence.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#91
Still no facts, just your hateful and ultra-biased opinions. Your argument is 100% FAIL.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#117
Right wing talking point? 91% of Democrats are on my side, not yours. Have a nice day!
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#73
We already have a GLUT of American engineers with ADVANCED DEGREES looking for work.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#77
Oooh, and now you're being racist, too. "Obama dance a jig"? Where did that BS come from?
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#86
No, it has nothing to do with "failure to educate our citizens". Zero. Zip. Nada.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#93
I repeated myself because your "facts" are in error. Your "evidence" is as clear as mud.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#96
Yup, I sure am saying their "facts" are half-truths. And they are half-truths.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#101
Zalatix, this thread is a monument to why labor is screwed in this country ....
SteveSmithCharlotte
Aug 2012
#123
I totally agree we need to talk more about the illegal immigration problem.
agent zero
Aug 2012
#130