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NCTraveler

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150. Simply putting out my own common dreams style opinion.

Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:16 AM

Aug 2018

And you didn’t read the poll.

In fact, the poll shows that a plurality — or, in some cases, a majority — of voters are undecided in Trump matchups against the other eight Democrats tested: Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Kamala Harris (D-Calif.); New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo; Montana Gov. Steve Bullock; Rep. John Delaney (D-Md.); former Attorney General Eric Holder and Michael Avenatti, the ubiquitous cable-news presence and attorney for Stephanie Clifford, the adult-film actress whom Trump’s then-attorney, Michael Cohen, admitted paying off to ensure her silence in the closing days of the 2016 presidential campaign.

If this garbage is going to be brought here I’ll do as I please in my response.

What am I talking about? Biden is showing the same lead and he is a Democrat.

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By Double-Digit Margin, Poll Shows Sanders Mopping the Floor With Trump in Latest 2020 Matchup [View all] guillaumeb Aug 2018 OP

Sanders will not be the nominee for the Democratic Party. BlueStater Aug 2018 #1

If Trump remains unindicted and unimpeached, guillaumeb Aug 2018 #2

Geezus! If Pelosi's too "old" to be Speaker of the House... Wwcd Aug 2018 #34

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #118

Welcome to DU, sattvic shanti DesertRat Aug 2018 #119

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #120

But even so, you just can't quit us! DesertRat Aug 2018 #123

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #124

Aw, be real. She quits du all the time. uppityperson Aug 2018 #126

Not voluntarily DesertRat Aug 2018 #127

And never for long... Rhiannon12866 Aug 2018 #140

A zombie? guillaumeb Aug 2018 #214

I guess that is what she is Rhiannon12866 Aug 2018 #219

It must come from the card catalogue. TexasTowelie Aug 2018 #121

Yes DesertRat Aug 2018 #122

The library is closed! NurseJackie Aug 2018 #170

Fell victim to the Dewey Decimal System. George II Aug 2018 #180

Transfer it to a container you can use for pouring and set it on a warm--but not hot--place on or near uppityperson Aug 2018 #125

Whatever. He will not be the nominee. leftofcool Aug 2018 #3

Biden it is. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #4

What are you talking about? oberliner Aug 2018 #48

Simply putting out my own common dreams style opinion. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #150

What's really interesting is that trump, against each of the eleven opponents.... George II Aug 2018 #203

If Hillary and Pelosi are "too old" Bernie and Biden are waaaay too old. Hekate Aug 2018 #139

I agree. Nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #151

LOL.. everyone in that poll mops the floor with Trump. honest.abe Aug 2018 #5

LOL icaria Aug 2018 #31

I saw that thread. honest.abe Aug 2018 #46

+1,000,000 George II Aug 2018 #86

Millions!! Cha Aug 2018 #131

Thank YOu, honest abe, for being so Honest! Cha Aug 2018 #130

Aw. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #59

That truly shows a lot of wisdom, or Σοφία as they say on the island of Icaria. George II Aug 2018 #64

Only 3 out of the 11 Democrats beat Trump in that poll oberliner Aug 2018 #49

Oh dear. Yes i misread that chart. honest.abe Aug 2018 #53

I agree that it's pretty meaningless oberliner Aug 2018 #54

Your point? George II Aug 2018 #88

My point was to correct the misstatement that "everyone in that poll mops the floor with Trump" oberliner Aug 2018 #92

Regardless of how meaningless it is, it's important to correct others. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #166

Only 3 out of the 11 Democrats beat Trump in that poll oberliner Aug 2018 #168

Seems the poll results would be different now since the indictments. brush Aug 2018 #234

I'd like to think so oberliner Aug 2018 #241

Yeah, that was my mistake. Oberliner was correct in pointing that out. honest.abe Aug 2018 #162

Joe Biden did just as well. This is mostly about being a high profile Democrat/progressive. pnwmom Aug 2018 #136

Gumby would win if the all the dems voted Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #6

commondreams. LOL...nt SidDithers Aug 2018 #7

Commondreams needs to move on. Wwcd Aug 2018 #36

It's a Politico/Morning Consult poll oberliner Aug 2018 #50

. George II Aug 2018 #89

You ignored the fact the Biden had the same gap over Trump. Blue_true Aug 2018 #8

Anyone reading the post can see that. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #16

Then why not put it in the headline that you seemed to have slanted? nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #17

I posted the actual headline. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #19

Ok, fair enough. Blue_true Aug 2018 #24

This isn't LBN, you can use any subject line that you want, especially if it's truthful. George II Aug 2018 #90

And I generally use the title of the article. eom guillaumeb Aug 2018 #212

Why would someone read such frivolity? NCTraveler Aug 2018 #153

And did you read it? eom guillaumeb Aug 2018 #213

Sanders and Biden were the two strongest by far oberliner Aug 2018 #51

name recognition. OhioBlue Aug 2018 #77

The BIG difference is that Joseph Biden has been a Democrat since his 20s. George II Aug 2018 #91

Ballot access laws will keep both of these candidates off the ballot in key states Gothmog Aug 2018 #9

Those laws will be ruled unconstitutional. former9thward Aug 2018 #13

So sanders strategy will be to join trump in lawsuits challenging these laws? Gothmog Aug 2018 #14

I'll take the Constitution over "election law blogs" former9thward Aug 2018 #66

Are you a lawyer? Gothmog Aug 2018 #115

Yes, I am. former9thward Aug 2018 #159

Candidates who won't disclose taxes shouldn't be on the ballot Gothmog Aug 2018 #164

John Kerry refused to release his wife's tax return. former9thward Aug 2018 #167

House Dem forces GOP to take recorded vote on Trump tax returns Gothmog Aug 2018 #184

Teresa released the top two pages of her return karynnj Aug 2018 #197

The wealth of John Kerry lies with Teresa and you know it. former9thward Aug 2018 #200

The fact that sander supporters know that sanders will not release his tax returns is amusing Gothmog Aug 2018 #206

The House will get Trump's tax returns Gothmog Aug 2018 #257

I Too Trust HimAnd Consider Him An Expert Me. Aug 2018 #172

I am curious as to why sanders supporters are scared of sanders releasing tax returns Gothmog Aug 2018 #186

You Would Think They'd Take To Heart The Comrade Trump Example Me. Aug 2018 #196

The Constitution governs voter access, not candidate access. Even so... George II Aug 2018 #177

Mine has different language than yours. former9thward Aug 2018 #199

What does yours say specifically about candidates? George II Aug 2018 #202

Article II, Section 1 is online. former9thward Aug 2018 #208

Apparently the Constitution leaves it up to the individual states the manner of selecting electors. George II Aug 2018 #209

That section is on how Electors are chosen. former9thward Aug 2018 #210

And? Still not seeing it. George II Aug 2018 #211

LOL-Do you have a different constitution than Prof. Tribe? Gothmog Aug 2018 #204

Swalwell Vows Americans Will See Trump's Tax Returns If Democrats Win The House Gothmog Aug 2018 #254

House Democrats had 11 votes on Trump's tax returns Gothmog Aug 2018 #258

... George II Aug 2018 #154

I am also amused Gothmog Aug 2018 #205

Actually Jerry said it "may" be unconstitutional, but that's not the only reason for the veto ehrnst Aug 2018 #171

I trust Prof Tribe on this issue Gothmog Aug 2018 #187

God I hope he doesn't fuck up the 2020 election wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #10

All those results tell me is... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #11

I'm Voting for the Democrat-not Bernie Stallion Aug 2018 #12

Bernie Is More Democrat Than Many Democrats PaulX2 Aug 2018 #81

I think so as well. CentralMass Aug 2018 #110

No, BS is the one who denigrates the Democratic Party.. Cha Aug 2018 #132

Plus 1. Yep. He is. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #134

He's been TALKING about fighting for the little guy his whole career. George II Aug 2018 #155

Exactly, Stallion! Our Democrats work together to help each other out.. Not Cha Aug 2018 #133

No, no, no, no. Do not want. We cannot go through this again. Initech Aug 2018 #15

Good! SkyDancer Aug 2018 #18

No he won't ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #20

According to who? SkyDancer Aug 2018 #22

There's almost no chance he'll be the nominee. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #25

Because some person on a internet forum says so? SkyDancer Aug 2018 #26

Polling doesn't say anything about who the 2020 nominee will be. But 2016 made it clear... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #27

That was ages ago SkyDancer Aug 2018 #32

Ah yes ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #39

First of all... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #44

Check your facts. Among who is Sanders "the most popular active politician in America"? George II Aug 2018 #93

"Nah, sorry but yes he will." - "According to who? You and your crystal ball?" n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #29

According to polling. SkyDancer Aug 2018 #33

Which poll(s) are you referring to?... PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #38

... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #43

The party is not going through all that divisive crap again. brush Aug 2018 #73

Bingo! He states his preference is Independent, so he R B Garr Aug 2018 #105

Disingenuous much? shanny Aug 2018 #109

We'll take it. Who wants a candidate who openly doesn't want to be a Democrat? brush Aug 2018 #160

Who's "we?" Speaking for the party now? shanny Aug 2018 #188

WTH are you talking about? Not many have kind words for Nader or Stein. brush Aug 2018 #189

I guess I'm just wondering why any Democrat would want Bernie to run as an Indpendent. shanny Aug 2018 #191

I just don't want him to try to use the party again to run. He says he's... brush Aug 2018 #193

..... shanny Aug 2018 #194

Laugh if you want. He had his chance as a Dem. He lost then left the party... brush Aug 2018 #195

I am lmao at the very idea shanny Aug 2018 #221

Why run at all? He'll be 80. brush Aug 2018 #226

why ask me? shanny Aug 2018 #235

Advocating for a split in the party SkyDancer Aug 2018 #141

Back up. Who is the one who doesn't want to be a Democrat? brush Aug 2018 #161

Many of us will be. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #21

Yup and come November, it begins! SkyDancer Aug 2018 #23

Ha! NurseJackie Aug 2018 #45

After all of this...I regret voting for Sanders in the primary. Loved him then, but, Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #28

Many people share your feelings. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #47

You owned up to it. Blue_true Aug 2018 #83

I'm very glad I joined the other 13.2 million who voted for him and I would do it again. CentralMass Aug 2018 #112

Right on. It's the beauty of America, and having a choice in your vote. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #113

I attended the huge rally in Portland and met some very nice people there. CentralMass Aug 2018 #117

Bernie isn't going to get another bite of the Democratic Party apple, fellas... Hekate Aug 2018 #30

Bernie's biggest problem is he doesnt connect with AA voters. honest.abe Aug 2018 #35

I would think the biggest issue is that he isn't even a democrat. LisaL Aug 2018 #40

Oh yeah.. that too. honest.abe Aug 2018 #41

Biggest problem is he is not a Dem at all, and is snotty to the Dem Party. So that's that. nt Hekate Aug 2018 #138

And that's why we knew early on in 2016 that Clinton had the nomination wrapped up. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #146

They said the same thing 2 years ago. He wasnt the nominee then and he wont be in 2020 tymorial Aug 2018 #37

So? NurseJackie Aug 2018 #42

I'm voting for the Democratic Party candidate workinclasszero Aug 2018 #52

Same with me brokephibroke Aug 2018 #129

Same here. Bleacher Creature Aug 2018 #178

Biden leads just as strongly and is probably our best bet at the moment. phleshdef Aug 2018 #55

Who cares? 2018 comes two years earlier, like less than 3 months! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #56

With all that is going on right now I don't think polls mean much. dameatball Aug 2018 #57

.... George II Aug 2018 #58

Look at the results of the poll: George II Aug 2018 #60

Also there are a lot of undecideds in there. This is just a poll of "name recognition". It is a BS still_one Aug 2018 #65

+1,000,000 George II Aug 2018 #67

See post #11. There's really only 1 telling result in the poll. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #82

good points still_one Aug 2018 #103

44% or 43% Seems pretty simple. progressoid Aug 2018 #169

Yep, pretty simple - 12% margin for each of the top two. Or, if one wants to use your logic.... George II Aug 2018 #173

OMG. It's a conspiracy. Why would they put the person with the highest pecentage on top? progressoid Aug 2018 #175

Glad you think that. George II Aug 2018 #190

Sanders is NOT going to be the Democratic nominee, and the poll is bullshit. Not only hasn't any still_one Aug 2018 #61

Bazinga! George II Aug 2018 #62

Who cares. we can do it Aug 2018 #63

"I don't care, do U?" George II Aug 2018 #69

😂 we can do it Aug 2018 #70

No surprise. He's the most beloved active politician on the planet. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #68

No he isn't. George II Aug 2018 #72

Yes he is oberliner Aug 2018 #78

If that floats your boat, have at it! George II Aug 2018 #84

Facts are facts oberliner Aug 2018 #94

His "high approval rating" is ONLY among Vermont constituents, not 200+ million American voters. George II Aug 2018 #95

Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America, poll finds oberliner Aug 2018 #100

You keep dwelling on this. So, among whom is he the "most popular", and what were the choices? George II Aug 2018 #106

Here ya go: progressoid Aug 2018 #181

Where's Barack Obama? Where's Kamala Harris? Where's Corey Booker? Where's.... George II Aug 2018 #182

Is your assertion that Sanders isn't actually popular and these polls are all flawed? oberliner Aug 2018 #243

That has nothing to do with this, why have you made that assumption? George II Aug 2018 #245

I made no assumption - I asked a question oberliner Aug 2018 #247

You know what my point is, we've discussed it more than once. George II Aug 2018 #249

Can you boil it down to one pithy sentence? oberliner Aug 2018 #250

Sorry. As they say, "been there, done that." George II Aug 2018 #252

OK I appreciate the thoughtful exchange oberliner Aug 2018 #253

He tends to be at the top of most of these polls oberliner Aug 2018 #242

You responded, but didn't address the content of my post. George II Aug 2018 #246

Please see my response to your other post oberliner Aug 2018 #248

It is a survey with 2000 or so participants. Time will tell. I don't think he can win the Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #225

I would be surprised if he won the nomination oberliner Aug 2018 #244

+1, and there are only about 200,000 to 300,000 of the R B Garr Aug 2018 #101

The last time he was elected was the same year Schumer was elected...with 25X the votes! George II Aug 2018 #107

Exactly! Hillary also had to get literally millions more R B Garr Aug 2018 #114

That's misleading. If you follow the link to their methodology, you find this: Garrett78 Aug 2018 #85

Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America, poll finds oberliner Aug 2018 #96

To repeat what I've already said, that has no bearing on 2020. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #102

Don't bother. I've explained that to people here maybe a dozen times now. So.... George II Aug 2018 #251

Maybe on the planet MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #75

Boomers are all dead. Most Boomer Democrats despise him. Who votes? Boomers. tonyt53 Aug 2018 #76

What is the source for your claim that "most Boomer Democrats despise him" ? oberliner Aug 2018 #80

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #87

Huh? oberliner Aug 2018 #97

I'd happily vote for him again Devil Child Aug 2018 #71

Better Believe It! MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #74

No BS liberal N proud Aug 2018 #79

No, he is too old and a has been. kimbutgar Aug 2018 #98

Russia does NOT have a whole dossier on Bernie SkyDancer Aug 2018 #142

It's obvious that the Rules are to deny the Russian R B Garr Aug 2018 #163

Great to see! jalan48 Aug 2018 #99

What would he run as? MFM008 Aug 2018 #104

He just ran as a Dem SkyDancer Aug 2018 #143

If the Presidential Election were held today..... brooklynite Aug 2018 #108

It's beyond ridiculous that anyone is taking him seriously as a candidate. BlueStater Aug 2018 #111

And yet SkyDancer Aug 2018 #144

If "it's about policy, not age," why are the highly accomplished female stalwarts all "too old"? Hekate Aug 2018 #147

Exactamundo! Why is Nancy too old but Sanders isn't? brush Aug 2018 #237

He wins on name recognition. Doodley Aug 2018 #116

Que the unnecessary infighting. Onyrleft Aug 2018 #128

That's "cue". Cha Aug 2018 #135

I think "queue" SkyDancer Aug 2018 #145

I bet Hillary would have done just as well in that poll, but she wasn't included. pnwmom Aug 2018 #137

The "polls" were giving HRC a, what, 75% to 99% chance of winning, shortly before the election... Petosky Stone Aug 2018 #148

That top number was way overrated. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #207

Bernie Sanders announced on Chris Hayes that he would octoberlib Aug 2018 #149

When was this? I searched and couldn't find it. betsuni Aug 2018 #157

It was on the Aug. 14th show. octoberlib Aug 2018 #165

Thanks, but there wasn't anything in that interview about him not running in 2020. betsuni Aug 2018 #218

Velshi asked him if he was running in octoberlib Aug 2018 #220

I only saw the transcript but that was not there. betsuni Aug 2018 #222

I understand his fans wanting him but, its time to move on. If we are going to Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #236

I was hoping to vote for a Democrat. dem4decades Aug 2018 #152

I don't believe it. kentuck Aug 2018 #156

Well, unless we take back Congress in November, none of it will matter. GoCubsGo Aug 2018 #158

Commondreams.org is a lot like common sense or common courtesy. MineralMan Aug 2018 #174

Exactly! brush Aug 2018 #238

Yeah, because there's nothing like a 79-year old socialist from Vermont to show America... jpljr77 Aug 2018 #176

And he never will be. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #198

Sanders will never be the 2020 Democratic nominee regardless of how much the media wants him to be. LonePirate Aug 2018 #179

Same was true in 2016 lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #183

True. eom guillaumeb Aug 2018 #216

GO Bernie!! Power 2 the People Aug 2018 #185

One hopes. eom guillaumeb Aug 2018 #217

Please pay attention. This is not news. This is not relevant. MineralMan Aug 2018 #192

Your opinion is noted. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #215

... disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #201

I've stopped reading crap from Commondreams. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #223

Sen. Sanders will not be the nominee. Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #224

Whenever Democrats bicker, Sanders is always at the base of it. Squinch Aug 2018 #227

Or Gillibrand oberliner Aug 2018 #228

Those two are never the SOURCE of it Renew Deal Aug 2018 #231

I agree that they don't cause drama oberliner Aug 2018 #240

Nope. But nice try. Squinch Aug 2018 #232

Try posting a positive thread about Gillibrand oberliner Aug 2018 #239

No, thanks. PubliusEnigma Aug 2018 #229

Democratic voters will struggle to support someone that benefited from the Russian conspiracy Renew Deal Aug 2018 #230

oh dear samnsara Aug 2018 #233

Bernie beating Trump has been the "snapshot in time" for a couple of years now, Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #255

And what Bernie believes is what many with a (D) after their names also believe. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #256