So where will the extra $16 trillion come from to pay for Sanders' plan?

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126. Of course Sanders will run in 2020.

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Short of being on a gurney, he will not give up the crowds. I imagine that the validation they give to one's ego after years of problems connecting and working with his progressive peers on the Hill is very appealing to a career politician who is reaching the end of his time in politics.

I'm pointing out that his bill won't become reality because of the political climate, and the cost of it - and he is aware of it. The bill itself is symbolic. It's his branding. Trump being elected and the kneecapping of the ACA gave a spotlight to something he has tried in vain to convince people is viable has prolonged his career.

I'm not 'tearing down' single payer - I loved my single payer in the UK. I have more of a background in health policy than most people, and I understand the obstacles to it in present day U.S. Your continued accusations of my "tearing down single payer" are pointless and unfounded. Learn from that mistake.

The problem is that Sanders has made "single payer" his brand, and if you dare to question or analyze either, he equates it with "attacking both." Which is, as you put it "silly and strange." But as I said - I don't need to LOVE a politician to support a politician. You seem to have missed that point in what you refered to as "babble." It appears that you are lovestruck, and unfortunately, that is something that makes people reject any evidence that might diminish the sheen of what they ador. Seeing them as human with human foibles - despite their claims to the contrary - really prevents the sort of lashing out that is so frequent here, and saves one's faith in the system that one's idol took part in, when the inevitable feet of clay are revealed.

It's pretty sad that you need to adhere to a dogma that has no basis in reality, and is a promise made by someone who will never be called on to deliver. One can always blame "haters" or "big pharma" or "establishment Democrats" when one can't follow through. We can see that happening already.

It's like "repeal and replace" votes for the GOP during the Obama administration. They could tell their constituents that they tried - even though there was no way it would pass, and any GOP rep knew that, but they knew that if they didn't, if they didn't follow the dogma, they would be primaried.

Or like "defund Planned Parenthood" is held up as the way to "end abortion." Health policy analysts and the medical community say that doing that will increase abortion, and there are GOP politicans who know that, but they will rail against Planned Parenthood, because it's dogma. Their base will say that the "experts" and the politicians who won't go along as "hating babies," and wanting young girls to have sex.

Just like the accusations of "you don't want people to have health insurance - you have yours so fuck the rest of us. You just hate Bernie."

You can fact check all you want but in reality, when Jake Tapper and the Koch funded study are having to walk back their words, that says something.

They changed one aspect -the wording "government," and did not walk back the conclusion. Pretty sad that confirmation bias blinds you to any hint that Sanders might be wrong, and leads you to believe any critique is an "attack."

It's pretty sad that people like you feel the need to tear down someone who is clearly on our side and not the enemy, taking a crap on the heads of ally's only hurts us.

Again... you equate any dissent as "taking a crap" on Sanders. What is sad is that you have been convinced that someone who many have pointed out has "taken a crap" as you put it, on other progressives and the Democratic Party is somehow an ally.

Babbling about "fact check all you want, but in reality..." says everything about your view of "reality," doesn't it?

You take any analysis of M4A very personally, and any critique of your favorite Senator personally as well. Your defensive attacks are getting more extreme. I suggest that you employ the "ignore" feature, and preserve your bubble, while you're here.