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niyad

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Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:29 PM Aug 2018

the dark side of john mccain (a truly loathsome human being) [View all]

(as we witness his final days, as I watch the accolades pouring in, I remember the other side of mccain, and it is not a pretty one)

The real McCain
To his fans he's a lovable patriot with a maverick streak. But to his critics he's an anti-abortion Creationist who surrounds himself with religious extremists. Paul Harris uncovers the dark side of John McCain


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Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain. Photograph: Mary Altaffer/AP

I. . . . .



But there is another, very different side to John McCain. Away from the headlines and the stirring speeches, a less familiar figure lurks. It is a McCain who plans to fight on in Iraq for years to come and who might launch military action against Iran. This is the McCain whose campaign and career has been riddled with lobbyists and special interests. It is a McCain who has sided with religious and political extremists who believe Islam is evil and gays are immoral. It is a McCain who wants to appoint extreme conservatives to the Supreme Court and see abortion banned. This McCain has a notoriously volatile temper that has scared some senior members of his own party. If McCain becomes the most powerful man in the world it would be wise to know what lies behind his public mask, to look at the dark side of John McCain.


John McCain is an American hero in an age of war and terrorism. As young Americans return in bodybags from Iraq and Iranian mullahs cook up uranium, an old soldier like McCain seems a natural choice in a dangerous world. He is the son and grandson of warriors. Both his father and grandfather were four-star admirals. He was even born on a military base, on 29 August 1936, in Panama. And his life story reads like a movie script. The young, rascally McCain, nicknamed 'McNasty' by his classmates, attended the elite United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland. He became a navy pilot, long before Tom Cruise made 'Top Guns' famous, and began his first combat duty in Vietnam in 1966, carrying out countless missions. Then came disaster. He was shot down and held prisoner for five years by brutal North Vietnamese captors. In his stiff gait and damaged arms, he still bears the scars of their tortures. His CV for the White House is written in his suffering as much as in his career as a senator.

That military legacy has made John McCain a legend. But it has not turned him into a peacemaker, at a time when most Americans desperately want the war to end. Anyone hoping for a new president who will quickly bring America's troops home from Iraq had better look elsewhere. McCain has always supported the invasion of Iraq and he wants to support it until at least 2013, or perhaps for many years beyond. He believes withdrawal would be a surrender to terrorists. That warlike spirit was on full display in Denver when McCain's speech was interrupted repeatedly by anti-war protesters. They stood up, unfurling banners and shouting for a withdrawal from Iraq. When it happened a third time, McCain had had enough. In a voice suddenly filled with steely resolve, McCain broke from his carefully scripted speech and gripped the lectern. He looked out at the audience and spoke slowly. 'I will never surrender in Iraq,' he rasped. 'Our American troops will come home with victory and with honour.' The crowd cheered and chanted: 'John McCain! John McCain!' It was a perfect moment for unrepentant supporters of the Iraq invasion and a McCain who still smarts from defeat in Vietnam. No retreat. No surrender. This time America will win.

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Just look at McCain's 'pastor problems'. He has enthusiastically sought the political blessing of some of the most conservative religious figures in the country. McCain gave the 2006 commencement address at Falwell's Liberty University, a college that has taught creationism alongside science. McCain also courted and won the endorsement of Texan preacher John Hagee, despite Hagee blaming Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans's liberal attitude towards gays. Hagee believes the disaster was God's judgement on the sinful city. Another McCain-backer, Ohio preacher Rod Parsley, has spouted hate about Muslims. Parsley, whom McCain called a 'spiritual guide', believes America was founded partly in order to destroy Islam. He has called Mohammed a 'mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil' and has supported prosecuting people who commit adultery. Though McCain later repudiated the endorsements of Parsley and Hagee, he did so only after bad headlines threatened his moderate image. Most of Hagee's and Parsley's views were widely known from public speeches or books. It was not their bigotry that caught the campaign out, it was the reporting of it. 'McCain has had links with these religious figures who are just way, way out of the mainstream,' says Cliff Schecter.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/22/johnmccain.uselections2008


https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/john-mccain-fake-maverick-horrible-record/


https://www.gq.com/story/john-mccain-is-the-perfect-american-liehttps://www.gq.com/story/john-mccain-is-the-perfect-american-lie

https://theoutline.com/post/1952/you-can-feel-bad-about-john-mccain-s-cancer-and-still-hate-his-legacy?zd=1&zi=ftwnjszr

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/john-mccain-a-matter-of-character/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-first-marriage/

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Deeply flawed, politically just wrong in near all respects, but not a sociopath....not without honor hlthe2b Aug 2018 #1
"not without honour"? you and I have two very different views of this person. niyad Aug 2018 #2
then you have blinders on. I can see the contradictions in even those I detest. hlthe2b Aug 2018 #4
Yes indeed. cwydro Aug 2018 #10
you do remember that the crash that landed him as a pow was an unauthorized mission, yes? niyad Aug 2018 #23
Doesn't change the fact of what he did as a POW. cwydro Aug 2018 #36
What he did as a POW? Scarsdale Aug 2018 #92
Do you enjoy flotsam Aug 2018 #112
Gotta call bullshit Major Nikon Aug 2018 #133
Also from politifact: flotsam Aug 2018 #135
He got shot down and survived being a POW Major Nikon Aug 2018 #134
I've never heard anything like that. flotsam Aug 2018 #111
No shades of grey! atreides1 Aug 2018 #50
Many shades of grey.. whathehell Aug 2018 #95
there are contradictions, and there are carefully crafted facades. niyad Aug 2018 #12
Believe what you want.. whathehell Aug 2018 #97
You can do that BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #47
Yeah but why should your view matter more to anyone? Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #30
apparrently it matters to the people who are excoriating me for my view. niyad Aug 2018 #44
All us humans are a complicated tangle of hero and villian Saboburns Aug 2018 #3
You could have given a man a day. Just a day. nolabear Aug 2018 #5
really? couldn't prove it by all the accolades being heaped on him. even here. niyad Aug 2018 #7
I for one can hold two opposing concepts though I have my limits too. nolabear Aug 2018 #16
Thank you. EffieBlack Aug 2018 #24
F. Scott Fitzgerald. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #25
Good post. cwydro Aug 2018 #38
Excellent post...thank you! Docreed2003 Aug 2018 #33
Thank you still_one Aug 2018 #56
Well said. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #58
Hes dying MFM008 Aug 2018 #26
Thank you.. whathehell Aug 2018 #98
No accolades here niyad. LakeArenal Aug 2018 #94
As a fellow Vietnam Veteran, john657 Aug 2018 #131
Wow. Can't even wait till he's gone to start grave-dancing? cwydro Aug 2018 #6
grave dancing? by pointing out the realities of the "maverick"? I don't dance on graves (notice, niyad Aug 2018 #8
Furthermore he brought us that other "maverick", Palin. zentrum Aug 2018 #77
I love people who aren't afraid to speak or write malaise Aug 2018 #90
My thought exactly...I guess haters gotta hate. whathehell Aug 2018 #100
I'm with you. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #9
Someone on twitter said he's known him as "a loving husband" and I thought, SOMETIMES nt More_Cowbell Aug 2018 #72
This post Armymedic88 Aug 2018 #11
what should make you ill is the bs facade that people have bought into over the decades. niyad Aug 2018 #17
The man is on his death bed Armymedic88 Aug 2018 #27
like the breaks he has given to everyone else, including veterans? nope. niyad Aug 2018 #28
🙄 Armymedic88 Aug 2018 #29
A difference between us and them EffieBlack Aug 2018 #34
pointing out the truth about someone makes one like a pubbie? got it. niyad Aug 2018 #39
At this moment, in this context? Yes. EffieBlack Aug 2018 #43
I am properly chastised. niyad Aug 2018 #45
Wish I could rec your post. cwydro Aug 2018 #41
Good perspective Effie. BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #49
Thank you. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #60
Amen Armymedic88 Aug 2018 #93
Thank you, EffieBlack. femmedem Aug 2018 #142
I question McCains compassion for anyone. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #18
Compassion is a commodity few people can afford elmac Aug 2018 #88
Look at his voting record edhopper Aug 2018 #101
Article is a smear flotsam Aug 2018 #13
Not now. Sneederbunk Aug 2018 #14
Horrible voting record. Oppressive voting record. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #15
He is GOP through and through. BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #19
He graduated next to last at the Naval Academy n/t TexasBushwhacker Aug 2018 #20
This is callous and inappropriate. EffieBlack Aug 2018 #21
+1 CentralMass Aug 2018 #32
Exactly Effie! TY! Docreed2003 Aug 2018 #35
I'm thinking of this John McCain today DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #46
Excellent point. cwydro Aug 2018 #65
Seriously. It's not about him. It's about us. nolabear Aug 2018 #48
Thank you for your voice of reason, EffieBlack! pazzyanne Aug 2018 #113
Thanks for the O.P.'s courage. We'll be gigged for it. I'm with you. UTUSN Aug 2018 #22
It doesn't take the least bit of courage to post an OP like that. Kaleva Aug 2018 #37
It was already alerted! Nt USALiberal Aug 2018 #40
And even if they did get alerted or banned, taking that risk is hardly a sign of "courage" EffieBlack Aug 2018 #42
& I wonder again and again why you continue to address your opinions to me. UTUSN Aug 2018 #57
As I have a very hard time remembering names, places, and dates amongst other things... Kaleva Aug 2018 #121
Lol the courage of some random anonymous post! How brave, GusBob Aug 2018 #59
I truly despise him. Scruffy1 Aug 2018 #31
Adding a few more articles that I read long ago that illustrate his connections and rise to power eleny Aug 2018 #51
thank you for reminding me about those excellent pieces!! niyad Aug 2018 #76
I found that one from 2000 way back then eleny Aug 2018 #78
I am so glad the way back machine is still working? FIL was a real piece of work! niyad Aug 2018 #79
The American Free Press is a far-right-wing, conspiracy-theory-pushing entity. VOX Aug 2018 #109
Thanks! It's important to read the article through that lens eleny Aug 2018 #119
He is only a maverick when Mitch McConnell allows it. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #52
exactly! niyad Aug 2018 #53
Absolutely eleny Aug 2018 #80
I understand the OP. spicysista Aug 2018 #54
thank you for showing us these amazing people!! niyad Aug 2018 #55
There are too many more that need our attention. spicysista Aug 2018 #62
and we will not let them go unnoticed! niyad Aug 2018 #63
mccain apologized for that. JI7 Aug 2018 #138
unrec!!!!!!! still_one Aug 2018 #61
If I survive a few more months, I'll begin my 70th year on this planet. Atticus Aug 2018 #64
Thank you for this EffieBlack Aug 2018 #66
"his bedrock decency"? please, be good enough to share examples of it, for those of us niyad Aug 2018 #68
If you are looking for a fight, look elsewhere. If you cannot see the unnecessary cruelty Atticus Aug 2018 #82
Thank you for your wisdom, Atticus! pazzyanne Aug 2018 #115
DO WE REALLY NEED THIS RIGHT NOW ????? groundloop Aug 2018 #67
It's a rare person who is all good or all bad. Chemisse Aug 2018 #69
I look at his voting record, his treatment of women, and the fact that he would not have HAD niyad Aug 2018 #73
JUST STOP!!! pazzyanne Aug 2018 #116
In the majority of people I know, I do not have to acknowledge any bad womanofthehills Aug 2018 #85
I would never have wanted him to be president, and I disagreed with most of his opinions, Chemisse Aug 2018 #132
Thank you for zentrum Aug 2018 #70
you are most welcome. niyad Aug 2018 #74
He introduced the country to Sarah Palin, and for that I cannot forgive him Pepsidog Aug 2018 #71
amoung other things, that is definitely in the top 3! niyad Aug 2018 #75
I salute him for saving Obamacare. I salute him for correcting the woman Doodley Aug 2018 #81
Exactly. That took courage and leaves a legacy he can be proud of. nt ucrdem Aug 2018 #86
I used to admire McCain, despite not agreeing with him on most things The Liberal Lion Aug 2018 #83
The man is dying snowybirdie Aug 2018 #84
Tacky. ucrdem Aug 2018 #87
He is no more "loathsome" than this thread is... First Speaker Aug 2018 #89
Exactly! nt Raine Aug 2018 #124
word. KG Aug 2018 #91
You know, given the circumstances ,sometimes, as it is, Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2018 #96
What is the point here? Besides pre-grave-dancing, what is the goddamned point of this? VOX Aug 2018 #99
There's an old saying on DU . whathehell Aug 2018 #105
I agree, this is not healthy njhoneybadger Aug 2018 #106
People change. And I am grateful that he was the deciding vote for Obamacare pnwmom Aug 2018 #102
Should be "the dark side of niyad" AZmikey Aug 2018 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Aug 2018 #120
Too soon. Can't we talk about this next week? Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #104
Wow, writing this OP made you feel really good, didn't it? ObamaKerryDem Aug 2018 #107
I can't post what I would really like to say. MicaelS Aug 2018 #108
this post is a really bad idea rrze Aug 2018 #110
He's dying. I have never much agreed with him. But struggle4progress Aug 2018 #114
Thank you, struggle4progress. pazzyanne Aug 2018 #117
Well done. Thank you. nolabear Aug 2018 #127
You're not telling anyone anything they didn't already know. BlueStater Aug 2018 #118
Thank you. BigDemVoter Aug 2018 #122
Truly DISGUSTING post!!!!!!!!! nt Raine Aug 2018 #123
Delete this oberliner Aug 2018 #125
All that may well be true, and it could've/should've been posted... Captain Stern Aug 2018 #126
Yeah. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2018 #128
This OP deserves to be recommended. Thank you. Autumn Aug 2018 #129
No, sir. This is the West, sir tirebiter Aug 2018 #130
My suggestion is that we allow history to reach its conclusions about McCain with a few years remove TomSlick Aug 2018 #136
wow, he's not a liberal....whowouldofthought Demonaut Aug 2018 #137
You I always liked. Him I seldom liked. Mc Mike Aug 2018 #139
I certainly won't put McCain on a pedestal True Dough Aug 2018 #140
This OP Is The River Aug 2018 #141
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