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25. F. Scott Fitzgerald.

Fri Aug 24, 2018, 12:51 PM

Aug 2018

“The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.”

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the dark side of john mccain (a truly loathsome human being) [View all] niyad Aug 2018 OP

Deeply flawed, politically just wrong in near all respects, but not a sociopath....not without honor hlthe2b Aug 2018 #1

"not without honour"? you and I have two very different views of this person. niyad Aug 2018 #2

then you have blinders on. I can see the contradictions in even those I detest. hlthe2b Aug 2018 #4

Yes indeed. cwydro Aug 2018 #10

you do remember that the crash that landed him as a pow was an unauthorized mission, yes? niyad Aug 2018 #23

Doesn't change the fact of what he did as a POW. cwydro Aug 2018 #36

What he did as a POW? Scarsdale Aug 2018 #92

Do you enjoy flotsam Aug 2018 #112

Gotta call bullshit Major Nikon Aug 2018 #133

Also from politifact: flotsam Aug 2018 #135

He got shot down and survived being a POW Major Nikon Aug 2018 #134

I've never heard anything like that. flotsam Aug 2018 #111

No shades of grey! atreides1 Aug 2018 #50

Many shades of grey.. whathehell Aug 2018 #95

there are contradictions, and there are carefully crafted facades. niyad Aug 2018 #12

Believe what you want.. whathehell Aug 2018 #97

You can do that BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #47

Yeah but why should your view matter more to anyone? Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #30

apparrently it matters to the people who are excoriating me for my view. niyad Aug 2018 #44

All us humans are a complicated tangle of hero and villian Saboburns Aug 2018 #3

You could have given a man a day. Just a day. nolabear Aug 2018 #5

really? couldn't prove it by all the accolades being heaped on him. even here. niyad Aug 2018 #7

I for one can hold two opposing concepts though I have my limits too. nolabear Aug 2018 #16

Thank you. EffieBlack Aug 2018 #24

F. Scott Fitzgerald. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #25

Good post. cwydro Aug 2018 #38

Excellent post...thank you! Docreed2003 Aug 2018 #33

Thank you still_one Aug 2018 #56

Well said. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #58

Hes dying MFM008 Aug 2018 #26

Thank you.. whathehell Aug 2018 #98

No accolades here niyad. LakeArenal Aug 2018 #94

As a fellow Vietnam Veteran, john657 Aug 2018 #131

Wow. Can't even wait till he's gone to start grave-dancing? cwydro Aug 2018 #6

grave dancing? by pointing out the realities of the "maverick"? I don't dance on graves (notice, niyad Aug 2018 #8

Furthermore he brought us that other "maverick", Palin. zentrum Aug 2018 #77

I love people who aren't afraid to speak or write malaise Aug 2018 #90

My thought exactly...I guess haters gotta hate. whathehell Aug 2018 #100

I'm with you. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #9

Someone on twitter said he's known him as "a loving husband" and I thought, SOMETIMES nt More_Cowbell Aug 2018 #72

This post Armymedic88 Aug 2018 #11

what should make you ill is the bs facade that people have bought into over the decades. niyad Aug 2018 #17

The man is on his death bed Armymedic88 Aug 2018 #27

like the breaks he has given to everyone else, including veterans? nope. niyad Aug 2018 #28

🙄 Armymedic88 Aug 2018 #29

A difference between us and them EffieBlack Aug 2018 #34

pointing out the truth about someone makes one like a pubbie? got it. niyad Aug 2018 #39

At this moment, in this context? Yes. EffieBlack Aug 2018 #43

I am properly chastised. niyad Aug 2018 #45

Wish I could rec your post. cwydro Aug 2018 #41

Good perspective Effie. BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #49

Thank you. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #60

Amen Armymedic88 Aug 2018 #93

Thank you, EffieBlack. femmedem Aug 2018 #142

I question McCains compassion for anyone. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #18

Compassion is a commodity few people can afford elmac Aug 2018 #88

Look at his voting record edhopper Aug 2018 #101

Article is a smear flotsam Aug 2018 #13

Not now. Sneederbunk Aug 2018 #14

Horrible voting record. Oppressive voting record. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #15

He is GOP through and through. BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #19

He graduated next to last at the Naval Academy n/t TexasBushwhacker Aug 2018 #20

This is callous and inappropriate. EffieBlack Aug 2018 #21

+1 CentralMass Aug 2018 #32

Exactly Effie! TY! Docreed2003 Aug 2018 #35

I'm thinking of this John McCain today DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #46

Excellent point. cwydro Aug 2018 #65

Seriously. It's not about him. It's about us. nolabear Aug 2018 #48

Thank you for your voice of reason, EffieBlack! pazzyanne Aug 2018 #113

Thanks for the O.P.'s courage. We'll be gigged for it. I'm with you. UTUSN Aug 2018 #22

It doesn't take the least bit of courage to post an OP like that. Kaleva Aug 2018 #37

It was already alerted! Nt USALiberal Aug 2018 #40

And even if they did get alerted or banned, taking that risk is hardly a sign of "courage" EffieBlack Aug 2018 #42

& I wonder again and again why you continue to address your opinions to me. UTUSN Aug 2018 #57

As I have a very hard time remembering names, places, and dates amongst other things... Kaleva Aug 2018 #121

Lol the courage of some random anonymous post! How brave, GusBob Aug 2018 #59

I truly despise him. Scruffy1 Aug 2018 #31

Adding a few more articles that I read long ago that illustrate his connections and rise to power eleny Aug 2018 #51

thank you for reminding me about those excellent pieces!! niyad Aug 2018 #76

I found that one from 2000 way back then eleny Aug 2018 #78

I am so glad the way back machine is still working? FIL was a real piece of work! niyad Aug 2018 #79

The American Free Press is a far-right-wing, conspiracy-theory-pushing entity. VOX Aug 2018 #109

Thanks! It's important to read the article through that lens eleny Aug 2018 #119

He is only a maverick when Mitch McConnell allows it. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #52

exactly! niyad Aug 2018 #53

Absolutely eleny Aug 2018 #80

I understand the OP. spicysista Aug 2018 #54

thank you for showing us these amazing people!! niyad Aug 2018 #55

There are too many more that need our attention. spicysista Aug 2018 #62

and we will not let them go unnoticed! niyad Aug 2018 #63

mccain apologized for that. JI7 Aug 2018 #138

unrec!!!!!!! still_one Aug 2018 #61

If I survive a few more months, I'll begin my 70th year on this planet. Atticus Aug 2018 #64

Thank you for this EffieBlack Aug 2018 #66

"his bedrock decency"? please, be good enough to share examples of it, for those of us niyad Aug 2018 #68

If you are looking for a fight, look elsewhere. If you cannot see the unnecessary cruelty Atticus Aug 2018 #82

Thank you for your wisdom, Atticus! pazzyanne Aug 2018 #115

DO WE REALLY NEED THIS RIGHT NOW ????? groundloop Aug 2018 #67

It's a rare person who is all good or all bad. Chemisse Aug 2018 #69

I look at his voting record, his treatment of women, and the fact that he would not have HAD niyad Aug 2018 #73

JUST STOP!!! pazzyanne Aug 2018 #116

In the majority of people I know, I do not have to acknowledge any bad womanofthehills Aug 2018 #85

I would never have wanted him to be president, and I disagreed with most of his opinions, Chemisse Aug 2018 #132

Thank you for zentrum Aug 2018 #70

you are most welcome. niyad Aug 2018 #74

He introduced the country to Sarah Palin, and for that I cannot forgive him Pepsidog Aug 2018 #71

amoung other things, that is definitely in the top 3! niyad Aug 2018 #75

I salute him for saving Obamacare. I salute him for correcting the woman Doodley Aug 2018 #81

Exactly. That took courage and leaves a legacy he can be proud of. nt ucrdem Aug 2018 #86

I used to admire McCain, despite not agreeing with him on most things The Liberal Lion Aug 2018 #83

The man is dying snowybirdie Aug 2018 #84

Tacky. ucrdem Aug 2018 #87

He is no more "loathsome" than this thread is... First Speaker Aug 2018 #89

Exactly! nt Raine Aug 2018 #124

word. KG Aug 2018 #91

You know, given the circumstances ,sometimes, as it is, Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2018 #96

What is the point here? Besides pre-grave-dancing, what is the goddamned point of this? VOX Aug 2018 #99

There's an old saying on DU . whathehell Aug 2018 #105

I agree, this is not healthy njhoneybadger Aug 2018 #106

People change. And I am grateful that he was the deciding vote for Obamacare pnwmom Aug 2018 #102

Should be "the dark side of niyad" AZmikey Aug 2018 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Aug 2018 #120

Too soon. Can't we talk about this next week? Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #104

Wow, writing this OP made you feel really good, didn't it? ObamaKerryDem Aug 2018 #107

I can't post what I would really like to say. MicaelS Aug 2018 #108

this post is a really bad idea rrze Aug 2018 #110

He's dying. I have never much agreed with him. But struggle4progress Aug 2018 #114

Thank you, struggle4progress. pazzyanne Aug 2018 #117

Well done. Thank you. nolabear Aug 2018 #127

You're not telling anyone anything they didn't already know. BlueStater Aug 2018 #118

Thank you. BigDemVoter Aug 2018 #122

Truly DISGUSTING post!!!!!!!!! nt Raine Aug 2018 #123

Delete this oberliner Aug 2018 #125

All that may well be true, and it could've/should've been posted... Captain Stern Aug 2018 #126

Yeah. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2018 #128

This OP deserves to be recommended. Thank you. Autumn Aug 2018 #129

No, sir. This is the West, sir tirebiter Aug 2018 #130

My suggestion is that we allow history to reach its conclusions about McCain with a few years remove TomSlick Aug 2018 #136

wow, he's not a liberal....whowouldofthought Demonaut Aug 2018 #137

You I always liked. Him I seldom liked. Mc Mike Aug 2018 #139

I certainly won't put McCain on a pedestal True Dough Aug 2018 #140

This OP Is The River Aug 2018 #141