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DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 10:59 AM Aug 2018

Libertarianism is officially dead [View all]

The events of this past week, indeed of Trump's entire self-serving, hyper-capitalist modality, have done us at least one favor: Ayn Rand's libertarian creed is now exposed for what it is – lawless, self-serving chaos.

We have had several centuries of historical experiments and the outcome could not be more clear: good government and robust economy and meaningful participation in both is a BALANCING act. These in pure form do not work:

monarchy
capitalism
libertarianism
socialism
communism
anarchy

If we define democracy as a civic infrastructure informing a civic economy it escapes the list above and we can position it as an emerging alternative leading towards a solution.

When protesters shout "this is what democracy looks like!" they (we) are effectively acknowledging that there are no clean, simple solutions. Complex and messy civic involvement is really quite natural. The new thinking in biology supports the notion that a complex balancing of the individual with the collective, freedom with responsibility, has always lead to the most satisfactory state of health (homeostasis). The new paradigm I'm fond of expresses this balancing act thus:

A civil, democratically informed, infrastructure gives rise to a civil, small business economy (with plenty of room for a not-for-profit sector). The soundbite version:

DEMOCRACY =
CIVIL INFRASTRUCTURE x FREE ENTERPRISE

(Feel free to provide balance to my language in the great North African tradition of uncompleted sentences in group decision-making).

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Libertarianism is officially dead [View all] DemocracyMouse Aug 2018 OP
It was never alive...In the first place. False beliefs based on false values beachbum bob Aug 2018 #1
I've always associated Libertarianism with greed The Genealogist Aug 2018 #2
So agree that a libertarian society would not be sustainable. Hortensis Aug 2018 #23
Hmmm. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #27
Good thing there are relatively few of the real thing. Hortensis Aug 2018 #34
Ayn-Randism is objectivism, not libertarianism. More correctly termed Selfishness & Narcissism. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #3
Objectivism indeed Brawndo Aug 2018 #6
I Agree, And I love this quote njhoneybadger Aug 2018 #8
Great quote and goes to the heart of the philosophy Brawndo Aug 2018 #11
There is no doubt that her philosophy had some major flaws and contradictions njhoneybadger Aug 2018 #14
Agreed Brawndo Aug 2018 #15
her ideology was a result of her childhood experience AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #35
Works well for an individual? Bullshit. Adrahil Aug 2018 #10
A distinction is necessary Brawndo Aug 2018 #13
weasel words. Adrahil Aug 2018 #18
Nice unnecessary use of invective there Brawndo Aug 2018 #19
Exhibit A: Rand Paul dalton99a Aug 2018 #4
Libertarianism is just a modern form of Feudalism. MicaelS Aug 2018 #5
No. Nothing like feudalism. No inherited aspect of government, at all. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #7
Well, not everything you wrote is incorrect. PETRUS Aug 2018 #20
Not everything you wrote is incorrect. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #21
Sophistry. PETRUS Aug 2018 #24
Sophistry. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #25
Okay....? PETRUS Aug 2018 #26
I get your point and I supported my argument and contradicted yours. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #30
Not that I can see. Want to try again, using more or different words? nt PETRUS Aug 2018 #33
I would add Social Responsibility to your formula Yavin4 Aug 2018 #9
A civic infrastructure, since it is civic, is by definition socially responsible DemocracyMouse Aug 2018 #36
Social responsibility needs to be explicitly stated Yavin4 Aug 2018 #38
By definition, there can be no libertarian society lindysalsagal Aug 2018 #12
I remember back in college when these geniuses "discovered"... TreasonousBastard Aug 2018 #17
Libertarians are fine with roads, clean water, courts, laws, schools, banks, legal currency and insp Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #22
Libertarianism may be dead, but it had little to do with Rand.. TreasonousBastard Aug 2018 #16
hmm. interesting. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #29
Not really. Its economic policies have taken over the Republican party. pnwmom Aug 2018 #28
On another forum years ago, Onyrleft Aug 2018 #32
Ayn Rand??? I would love to hear more thoughts about what I said about ALL panaceas - DemocracyMouse Aug 2018 #37
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