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Cha

(297,123 posts)
14. BS got that ALL WRONG.
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 08:31 PM
Aug 2018

In the days after Hillary Clinton’s defeat, the two people who seemed like the Democratic Party’s most obvious 2020 candidates, then-Vice President Joe Biden and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, hinted that Clinton had gone too far in talking about issues of identity. “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman; vote for me,’” Sanders said. Other liberals lamented that the party had lost white voters in such states as Ohio and Iowa who had supported Barack Obama, and they said Democrats needed to dial back the identity talk to win them back.

But that view never took hold among party activists. Liberal-leaning women were emboldened to talk about gender more, not less, after the 2016 election. We’ve had women’s marches and women running for office in greater numbers than ever — all while emphasizing their gender. President Trump’s moves kept identity issues at the forefront, too, and gave Democrats an opportunity both to defend groups they view as disadvantaged and to attack the policies of a president they hate.

The Democratic Party hasn’t simply maintained its liberalism on identity; the party is perhaps further to the left on those issues than it was even one or two years ago. Biden and Sanders are still viable presidential contenders. But in this environment, so is a woman who is the daughter of two immigrants (one from Jamaica and the other from India); who grew up in Oakland, graduated from Howard and rose through the political ranks of the most liberal of liberal bastions, San Francisco; who was just elected to the Senate in 2016 and, in that job, declared that “California represents the future” and pushed Democrats toward a government shutdown last year to defend undocumented immigrants; and who regularly invokes slavery in her stump speech. (“We are a nation of immigrants. Unless you are Native American or your people were kidnapped and placed on a slave ship, your people are immigrants.”)

Sen. Kamala Harris has not officially said she is running in 2020, but she hasn’t denied it, either, and she’s showing many of the signs of someone who is preparing for a run, including campaigning for her Democratic colleagues in key races and signing a deal to write a book. The Californian ranks low in polls of the potential Democratic 2020 field, and she doesn’t have the name recognition of other contenders. (Her first name is still widely mispronounced — it’s COM-ma-la.) But betting markets have her near the top, reflecting the view among political insiders that Harris could win the Democratic nomination with a coalition of well-educated whites and blacks, the way Obama did in 2008.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-rise-of-kamala-harris-tells-us-about-the-democratic-party/

Thank You, pnwmom!

K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #1
K&R Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #2
Most important thing, she is a Democrat, and is proud to identiy as a DEMOCRAT still_one Aug 2018 #3
Hear Hear! fallout87 Aug 2018 #26
Kamala Harris has an excellent strong foundation Cha Aug 2018 #36
No, the most important thing is her character, her stands on the issues, and her electability. LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #76
I do not want people who don't want to be Democrats using the Democratic Party for their own still_one Aug 2018 #79
I'm willing to embrace the exception to the rule...if the exception is worth it LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #81
Please spare me the bullshit of diversity as the Jill Steins and Susan Saradons's, and those other still_one Aug 2018 #86
Um.....since when was Sarandon or Stein even mentioned? LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #108
I never mentioned Bernie in my post. I was referring to those self-identified progressives who have still_one Aug 2018 #109
Sorry if I misinterpreted your response LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #112
The statement that I do want Democrats determining the future of the Democratic party is true, and still_one Aug 2018 #114
I agree to some degree about confusion around Bernie LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #116
I hear you still_one Aug 2018 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Aug 2018 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author still_one Aug 2018 #88
Nope! He is not my stubborn old fool. leftofcool Aug 2018 #102
She has the most liberal voting record of any Democrat (or Independent) in the Senate NewJeffCT Aug 2018 #119
Great by me LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #120
So is Joe Manchin. He voted to confirm Gorsuch for the stolen seat. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #97
Don't push the BS. We wouldn't have lost two SC nominees if those self-identified still_one Aug 2018 #104
Criticism of Joe Manchin is not refuted by yet another blast at Jill Stein. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #113
My added point was the lipinski open primary, where because of that open primary lipinski won over still_one Aug 2018 #115
who said to vote for them because they are a woman ? JI7 Aug 2018 #4
No woman ever. So it was a very strange thing for him to say, I think. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #9
That's Exactly The Point I Was Going To Make Me. Aug 2018 #10
Yeah, we know what it is. Cha Aug 2018 #16
Surviving? Me. Aug 2018 #18
Yeah, Thanks! Just got Cha Aug 2018 #20
... Me. Aug 2018 #23
I know what. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #27
BS got that ALL WRONG. Cha Aug 2018 #14
Can I Nominate This? Me. Aug 2018 #19
What a Great OP.. just Cha Aug 2018 #22
Madeleine Albright, for one (among many) Jim Lane Aug 2018 #98
none of that says to support someone just because they are a woman JI7 Aug 2018 #99
Then you and I read the statement differently. (n/t) Jim Lane Aug 2018 #100
saying something she has always said and pointing out the significance women JI7 Aug 2018 #101
You read funny then. Now, please point to these "many" others who... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #103
Sorry, I decline your request to do unpaid research for you. Jim Lane Aug 2018 #110
Nice cop-out but the burden of proof is on you. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #111
I think she's quite charismatic and has a real shot because of that. bettyellen Aug 2018 #5
You want to see turnout like you've never seen before? Nominate Harris in 2020 TeamPooka Aug 2018 #13
Agreed. She's been my choice for over a year now. With Harris, I'm confident we'll crush Trump... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #24
Interesting.. it's taken me Cha Aug 2018 #53
Agreed. fallout87 Aug 2018 #78
She's my favorite at this point Taraman Aug 2018 #6
I'm open to learning more about KH. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #7
I live in NM and I like her a lot. She tops my list comradebillyboy Aug 2018 #77
She's tough as nails. Just what the party needs. dem4decades Aug 2018 #8
She Is Me. Aug 2018 #11
She is my Senator here in CA and I'm going to support her in the primary if she runs. TeamPooka Aug 2018 #12
Same here. Codeine Aug 2018 #15
Just an opinion, but I think she would lose to most any Republican. tonyt53 Aug 2018 #17
I think Kamala would transcend that.. Cha Aug 2018 #25
That is when the vp choice comes into play. xmas74 Aug 2018 #29
With All due respect... fallout87 Aug 2018 #31
Interesting point, but imo far, far too narrow. Hortensis Aug 2018 #45
Sorry but have to correct one point of fact Trumpocalypse Aug 2018 #50
Obama Cartoonist Aug 2018 #59
The Republicans just chose someone who is more "New York" than anyone has been muriel_volestrangler Aug 2018 #60
Kamala H would get my vote leanforward Aug 2018 #21
He is running for mayor of KC xmas74 Aug 2018 #30
When I saw how she questioned the yard gnome gibraltar72 Aug 2018 #28
Kamala has a lot Cha Aug 2018 #33
female Obama. She's got my vote unconditionally. AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #32
One point: Sanders is NOT A DEMOCRAT. Stinky The Clown Aug 2018 #34
You say it like it's a bad thing? icaria Aug 2018 #35
So why are are you here at DEMOCRATIC Underground? Stinky The Clown Aug 2018 #37
Excellent Question! Cha Aug 2018 #39
... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #40
.. Cha Aug 2018 #42
"Octavio"? lapucelle Aug 2018 #71
Our Democratic Party is excellent and is Winning! Sharice Cha Aug 2018 #38
Those were the three highest profile Midwestern primaries in recent weeks. Now what did.... George II Aug 2018 #82
Senator Tammy Duckworth was right as we all knew Cha Aug 2018 #93
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #41
It didn't work in 2016. Most of the 3rd party voters ditched the party for the general, pnwmom Aug 2018 #43
It's not a new model at all. It IS the Democratic Party. Hortensis Aug 2018 #46
Excellent post, Hortensis! Cha Aug 2018 #48
Mahalo, Cha. Imagining you cozy and comfy in an easy chair Hortensis Aug 2018 #51
Close! I'm cozy and comfy Cha Aug 2018 #52
Lol. Running in the rain, cozying up in bed. Hortensis Aug 2018 #56
I started running more than 45 years ago. I had only two rules: George II Aug 2018 #83
+++++ exactly but you see if they recognize that the Dem party is already a coalition JHan Aug 2018 #61
What?! The evil Democratic "establishment" is actually our Hortensis Aug 2018 #64
Those who want to work *with* the Party are always welcome; brer cat Aug 2018 #54
In my city, former Greens and Working Family Party members joined our Democratic Town Committee femmedem Aug 2018 #58
Who is "we"? What is a "mother party"? lapucelle Aug 2018 #67
Again. George II Aug 2018 #69
.... ehrnst Aug 2018 #84
Mahalo, lapucelle, for explaining the Democratic Party. There are Cha Aug 2018 #92
Mahalo Cha! lapucelle Aug 2018 #94
Safe and Dry inside Cha Aug 2018 #95
Octavio? mcar Aug 2018 #73
If you don't want to be part of the Democratic party, then go join the party of your choice. The still_one Aug 2018 #91
Hearty kick and rec! My junior Senator is looking better and better all the time. Hekate Aug 2018 #44
K&R! betsuni Aug 2018 #47
Love her! octoberlib Aug 2018 #49
K&R brer cat Aug 2018 #55
Excellent! Kath2 Aug 2018 #57
it's mostly what it says about Kamala Harris bigtree Aug 2018 #62
"But that view never took hold among party activists. Liberal-leaning women were emboldened to talk Cha Aug 2018 #63
I *was* a strong Harris supporter... proglib217 Aug 2018 #65
If she were the nominee you would "probably vote for her." pnwmom Aug 2018 #66
This! mcar Aug 2018 #74
Its called DU for a reason... "probably get my vote" LOL Vote for Jill Stein PROBABLY! winstars Aug 2018 #80
K&R radical noodle Aug 2018 #68
K&R for Kamala. JHan Aug 2018 #70
K&R mcar Aug 2018 #72
K&R Gothmog Aug 2018 #75
K&R PunkinPi Aug 2018 #85
I think she'd be a great choice oberliner Aug 2018 #89
Twitter - baby photo of Kamala and her mom - posted by Kamala today for Womens Equality Day womanofthehills Aug 2018 #90
Wow! Mahalo, woth! Cha Aug 2018 #96
I could support Senator Harris Gothmog Aug 2018 #105
I will support any Democrat. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #106
K&R. ehrnst Aug 2018 #107
I'll raise your Kick! Cha Aug 2018 #117
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