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70. Oberliner...

Mon Aug 27, 2018, 02:05 PM

Aug 2018

As far as I can see you are the most vocal. Almost every McCain post it seems you have an opinion on. That’s great, it’s kinda why we’re here but really try to put politics aside and look at just the man. If you can’t that is your right but treading on the opinions of others so vehemently is disrespectful of their rights. I too was here under another name that now make no sense, “just in....something. That was 2004.

I’m a veteran of Vietnam. I served with former POW’s. Listen to their experiences in a POW camp, feel how the torture was distributed, then handled by those men/ women. You may change your opinion. Visit a VA hospital talk to some old soldiers they love to talk, talk kinda takes away the pain of memory, it’s therapeutic.

Yes, Senator McCain’s politics may not be your view, they are not mine. But that man had the courage to own up to his mistakes, he on some policies changed his mind. That is what’s missing in the Republican Party today. Honor, integrity, courage, that Dear Oberliner, is why he is considered a hero.

Can you say the same?

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He's OUR Hero Now [View all] NanceGreggs Aug 2018 OP

Beautifully written.....my sentiments exactly. CatMor Aug 2018 #1

Statements of fact and the recording of history is not bashing McCain but there is a onit2day Aug 2018 #74

Thank you, NanceGregg for your post Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #142

K&R 2naSalit Aug 2018 #2

No, he certainly is not oberliner Aug 2018 #3

He's not? tavernier Aug 2018 #8

Were you a member of DU in 2008? oberliner Aug 2018 #10

All Veterans Are Our Heroes PaulX2 Aug 2018 #25

Even the ones who served at and/or ran Abu Ghraib? nt Rob H. Aug 2018 #30

Nope oberliner Aug 2018 #44

Hence, your use of "we" and "us" rather than "me" and "I" LanternWaste Aug 2018 #60

Pronouns can be tricky oberliner Aug 2018 #61

How sad it must be to be you. Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #138

I don't understand what you mean by that oberliner Aug 2018 #143

Is your's a world bereft of nuance ? Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #146

Thanks for clarifying oberliner Aug 2018 #150

I just can't see through your lenses. Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #148

Understood oberliner Aug 2018 #151

I don't buy that line of thinking unless we extend it to anyone who ever had a job doing anything.nt Gore1FL Aug 2018 #84

Veneration of the military is part of fascist ideology. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #103

I've been a member since 2004 tavernier Aug 2018 #40

Fair enough oberliner Aug 2018 #46

He may not be your hero but many of us consider him to be our hero. Kaleva Aug 2018 #41

The OP used the word "Our" oberliner Aug 2018 #43

:) Fwiw, I also don't change my mind about politicians Hortensis Aug 2018 #55

hero defined Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2018 #90

Well, their are quite a few, maybe a majority, of us who think of him as a hero. Kaleva Aug 2018 #63

Do you think its a majority of DU? oberliner Aug 2018 #64

I'm just guessing based on OPs and posts. Kaleva Aug 2018 #65

Oberliner... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #70

As another Viet Vet, I'll answer for him: NOPE and mainly because he just doesn't get it. I am ... marble falls Aug 2018 #80

Thank you, Brother... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #91

Some of his politics really made me scratch my head, but I am truly sorry to see this good man pass. marble falls Aug 2018 #99

Excellent. Very well put. maddiemom Aug 2018 #100

Thanks for sharing your perspective oberliner Aug 2018 #110

Oberliner... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #120

Thanks for your response oberliner Aug 2018 #130

Then you understand about honor and country... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #133

Yes, I do oberliner Aug 2018 #135

.... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #136

Hey come on we're playing in the lounge. N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #134

I respect Mccain n/t blue cat Aug 2018 #115

I was. In the heat of battle, there are enemies, but an enemy can stlll be an honorable foe. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #117

"Honorable foe" is exactly how I would describe John McCain oberliner Aug 2018 #131

Foe in politics. Hero in his military career. Which makes him an American hero. I'm American.nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #144

How about George H W Bush? oberliner Aug 2018 #147

I'm not aware that he was captured and refused to be released to go home... Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #149

He wasn't oberliner Aug 2018 #152

I agree with you. Rebl2 Aug 2018 #72

Sorry melman Aug 2018 #4

Well put oberliner Aug 2018 #6

I get that, but we can run against someone treestar Aug 2018 #49

Agreed oberliner Aug 2018 #51

Yes I get you there treestar Aug 2018 #58

Oh, you mean the ones that attacked Hillary and any who supported her? Old Terp Aug 2018 #85

This is like DU's version of Godwin's Law tkmorris Aug 2018 #96

1. It approaches one. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #107

Ha! progressoid Aug 2018 #111

No, the ones about McCain oberliner Aug 2018 #108

Agreed, what the hell is with all this love for this neocon warmonger now? ansible Aug 2018 #9

FINALLY, some truth! He gleefully messaged with this that he would happily... BamaRefugee Aug 2018 #14

And then there's this Rob H. Aug 2018 #31

Also this melman Aug 2018 #98

Yep. geardaddy Aug 2018 #69

We're living in upside down world SkyDancer Aug 2018 #38

The GOP's refusal ... NanceGreggs Aug 2018 #11

Amen. nolabear Aug 2018 #12

Thank you, Nance. I am with you on this leftofcool Aug 2018 #13

Yeah well melman Aug 2018 #17

I still think that characterization goes too far. There is a decency that I am wiling to extend to JCanete Aug 2018 #18

Amen! pazzyanne Aug 2018 #21

+1000 N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #92

But you didn't merely "acknowledge McCain's devotion to country" tkmorris Aug 2018 #97

+1 melman Aug 2018 #155

Thanks, Nance. The GOP reaction has been nothing less than bizarre, toadying to a treasonous potus. Hekate Aug 2018 #153

Hear hear! defacto7 Aug 2018 #154

THIS times a million. What's so pathetic is the so-called "Independent" R B Garr Aug 2018 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author SharonClark Aug 2018 #28

I can respect that he gave a lifetime of support to his party and his family Autumn Aug 2018 #47

This is one of the most bizarre threads that I have seen on DU. n/t demmiblue Aug 2018 #89

It's insane melman Aug 2018 #95

I'm leaving this silly discussion with one thought. Scruffy1 Aug 2018 #106

Well written. CentralMass Aug 2018 #5

I'm not sure I'd go as far as "our hero," but I agree that he can be a powerful symbol The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #7

+1 geardaddy Aug 2018 #71

All because of the evil monster in the WH, installed Cha Aug 2018 #15

+1 ffr Aug 2018 #23

i don't really see him as "ours" in a partisan sense. i see him as an Patriot in a non partisan JI7 Aug 2018 #16

Thanks, Nance Hekate Aug 2018 #19

He was the first and only republican I donated money to elmac Aug 2018 #20

Decency, among other things, is what they lack. ffr Aug 2018 #22

Deplorables disowned him because Putin declared him an enemy of Russia dalton99a Aug 2018 #24

I sometimes agreed with him. Most times he made me furious. rusty quoin Aug 2018 #26

Lindsey Graham True Blue American Aug 2018 #27

Lindsay Graham is going to be on FoxNews tonight. Here are some of his tweets. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #119

Lindsey and Graham were True Blue American Aug 2018 #122

I agree he has no character. But I don't think they "broke up." They were very close... Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #124

Yes, that was my point True Blue American Aug 2018 #125

Do what? Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #128

Thank you True Blue American Aug 2018 #159

Bravo! Jane Austin Aug 2018 #29

I respect John McCain for his service, for the GWC58 Aug 2018 #32

My dad was USAF 23 years MFM008 Aug 2018 #33

Beautiful! pandr32 Aug 2018 #34

And the transformation is complete. The GOP is now the Party of Trump. argyl Aug 2018 #35

Excellent post. I noticed few tributes from the GOP, too. It's shameful. Vinca Aug 2018 #36

This to me a hero SkyDancer Aug 2018 #37

YES. And McCain spent at least the first decade in the Senate... BamaRefugee Aug 2018 #79

Yup.... SkyDancer Aug 2018 #93

When anyone acts by listening to their inner voice that squares with the world outside Le Gaucher Aug 2018 #39

McCain is not and never was my hero proglib217 Aug 2018 #42

Hmmmm. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2018 #45

Another great post Nance Gothmog Aug 2018 #48

+10000000 ailsagirl Aug 2018 #78

K&R! Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #50

Very nice Soxfan58 Aug 2018 #52

Yes. He was very far from perfect. He often was our adversary. He could be mean spirited, Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #53

Great post. On a link posted by DUer, white wingers were calling him a liberal GOPer or RINO. Hoyt Aug 2018 #54

I agree workinclasszero Aug 2018 #56

Amen, Brother. Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #139

I'll side w/John Kerry, Joe Biden and NanceGreggs on this issue. nt oasis Aug 2018 #57

Biden and McCain were friends. True Blue American Aug 2018 #123

Beautifully-Written, Fine Sentiment, And I Agree Vogon_Glory Aug 2018 #59

He did serve honorably...bUT harumph Aug 2018 #62

He's most certainly not my hero and I don't understand this rush towards glorification of McCain Devil Child Aug 2018 #66

It's more the Democratic instinct to stand up for those treated unfairly... moriah Aug 2018 #73

Very good post, Nance. I can't understand all the push back here about the sentiments... George II Aug 2018 #67

Here, I'll help: Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #82

That's funny. McCain will never be a hero to me. Bonheur Aug 2018 #68

Agreed Major Nikon Aug 2018 #76

That's cute! Bonheur Aug 2018 #81

"John McCain is OUR hero now"? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #75

It will be a cold day in hell before my "hero" votes with the GOP party line 87% Major Nikon Aug 2018 #77

I can't remember DUs hero McCain voting for and protecting Obamacare Autumn Aug 2018 #118

He only voted against the repeal Rob H. Aug 2018 #162

Yep, he was fine with it being repealed. Had it been his way he would Autumn Aug 2018 #163

I honestly don't get it Rob H. Aug 2018 #164

It puzzles the hell out of me too. Autumn Aug 2018 #167

He called his wife a cunt, but he's our hero now? WoonTars Aug 2018 #83

I also wonder how minoritiy DU members Rob H. Aug 2018 #114

No, just no. demmiblue Aug 2018 #86

The man that foisted Sarah Palin on the country Liberalagogo Aug 2018 #87

By naming Palin, he practically guaranteed a blowout win by Obama scheming daemons Aug 2018 #88

Good point! workinclasszero Aug 2018 #94

Except I'm not going to Liberalagogo Aug 2018 #121

Obama would have won anyways but i agree it was greater because of Palin JI7 Aug 2018 #132

Let's get something straight Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #141

Another apologist Liberalagogo Aug 2018 #158

I'm not apologizing. Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #166

So you're saying he let Ralph Reed choose his running mate melman Aug 2018 #168

No, I'm saying the RNC gave him no choice. Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #170

Thanks wiley Aug 2018 #101

Not my hero. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #102

If he only supported Obama when he was alive guyfromla Aug 2018 #104

Republicans Require Someone to Hate. It's a Pathology. dlk Aug 2018 #105

After readinf this True Blue American Aug 2018 #160

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #109

Christ, this is a garbage take. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2018 #112

he's a hero because deplorables said deplorable things about him? Kurt V. Aug 2018 #113

So true! I totally agree. He's an American hero, which means he's OUR hero, now. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #116

Same here. True Blue American Aug 2018 #126

I respect John McCain for his service and what he went through in Hanoi. He is not my Hero. Va Lefty Aug 2018 #127

A lot of those nasty posts are written by Russian trolls FakeNoose Aug 2018 #129

Democrats certainly seem encouraging people to hate him tymorial Aug 2018 #137

Perfectly put. JDC Aug 2018 #140

Hero, Anti-Hero or Villian? Marcuse Aug 2018 #145

I went to a party this weekend radical noodle Aug 2018 #156

I do agree True Blue American Aug 2018 #157

K&R Scurrilous Aug 2018 #165

Not really, no. alarimer Aug 2018 #169