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hlthe2b

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62. You likewise apparently did not read my post as nowhere did I suggest that to be point of agreement

Mon Aug 27, 2018, 04:53 PM

Aug 2018

between me and nearly all DUers WITH McCain.

I can respect those with which I disagree, like Obama, for instance, who I deeply respect but vehemently disagreed with on several of his policies in Afghanistan and Iraq, including use of military force.

Do you honestly think you are alone in disliking war? Sort of like saying you are alone in revering peace. Virtually no one here is going to disagree on that score.

No one here is supporting McCain for election. Just for a respectful burial. On that I'll take my example from Barack Obama who will be one of only two former Presidents to eulogize.

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Yeah, but why are WE honoring John McCain? [View all] SpicyBoi Aug 2018 OP

Republicans get extra credit for occasional decency. irresistable Aug 2018 #1

Because we are better than that-simple. Boxerfan Aug 2018 #2

Sorry, I will not self-delete SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #7

"Because we are better than that" - yes! Shemp Howard Aug 2018 #99

Civility? Demit Aug 2018 #113

And you've never done idiotic things in your life? N/T john657 Aug 2018 #126

I've never been a U.S. Senator Demit Aug 2018 #129

You've never ridiculed the looks of anyone? john657 Aug 2018 #133

Again, U.S. Senator. Teenage girl. Who never did anything to him. In public. Demit Aug 2018 #141

We all make mistakes. john657 Aug 2018 #143

Sure, those things were "mistakes." What do you suppose he meant to say Demit Aug 2018 #148

I'll kindly ask you to not put words in my mouth. john657 Aug 2018 #149

So you are saying that you will not speak ill of someone because he was a 'fellow' Vietnam Vet? pangaia Aug 2018 #153

Unless they are/were criminals, john657 Aug 2018 #154

In that case... pangaia Aug 2018 #156

Absolutely!!!! john657 Aug 2018 #160

It's not even about John, really. Well it is in that he was Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #201

Yup, there's that too. john657 Aug 2018 #231

Gosh, enough already. secondwind Aug 2018 #188

Why? Inconvenient facts harshing your buzz? Demit Aug 2018 #193

Hear, hear. +1,000% secondwind Aug 2018 #187

I've been fighting these same feelings, and I have a few different thoughts. LisaM Aug 2018 #3

Don't sell out your own opinions for other people SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #4

Yes (you are wrong IMO). Most of us are generally able to see the complexities of individuals hlthe2b Aug 2018 #5

Did you want to bomb Iran? SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #10

Apparently, you refuse to read my full post, given your question which is hlthe2b Aug 2018 #14

McCain was for every war during his time in senate at140 Aug 2018 #57

You likewise apparently did not read my post as nowhere did I suggest that to be point of agreement hlthe2b Aug 2018 #62

I have bitter memories from wars at140 Aug 2018 #96

The World Trade Center Blds ring a bell? AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #111

Did some country do that? shanny Aug 2018 #138

+10 at140 Aug 2018 #170

You mean all those Saudi people flying planes? at140 Aug 2018 #169

McCain and his fellow warmongers have blood on their hands... plain and simple. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #105

As, usually is the case, I agree with you. pangaia Aug 2018 #158

True. I feel like the trap some here are falling into is the old adage: InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #179

I voted for Hillary in 2008 and in the last general election. Did she ever meet a war she didn't CentralMass Aug 2018 #180

Well said Bradshaw3 Aug 2018 #25

+1 n/t tammywammy Aug 2018 #32

I find very little about the man to be complex. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #39

It is WE who need to be able to hold complex thought processes. Not all is black & white despite hlthe2b Aug 2018 #69

That is how I can to my opinion about McCain. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #73

He also did some good. Ask John Kerry, a long term foe, but one who came to work and respect hlthe2b Aug 2018 #78

My determined foe as well. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #90

To see the measure of a man whose career and service stretched over 60 years, you need to look at hlthe2b Aug 2018 #93

I rarely think of politicians as 'serving.' pangaia Aug 2018 #159

hlthe2bdidn't say anything about the torture he endured at the hands of the NVA, john657 Aug 2018 #162

Are you kidding me? You don't find his military service, imprisonment & torture as POW as SERVICE? hlthe2b Aug 2018 #163

I am 74. pangaia Aug 2018 #167

You really know little of his record, do you? He was the most vocal (& effective)opponent to torture hlthe2b Aug 2018 #166

I know of his opposition to torture. pangaia Aug 2018 #168

Nonsense flotsam Aug 2018 #130

Well said. We need more nuanced thinking like this among progressives. nt LAS14 Aug 2018 #66

This is a very good answer and one I totally agree with. MuseRider Aug 2018 #81

This. (Thank you!) ObamaKerryDem Aug 2018 #82

Your Fitzgerald quote is one I have always come back to. pangaia Aug 2018 #155

Because being for something Trump is against is the highest priority. nt MadDAsHell Aug 2018 #6

It appears that's the case SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #12

+1 leftstreet Aug 2018 #150

pretty much A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2018 #186

It would seem so. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2018 #190

..because as flawed as he was he was the GOP was ever gonna be...now hes gone.. samnsara Aug 2018 #8

Decency. NT mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #9

You think it's "decent" to make someone pretend they respect a guy they dislike? SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #13

You can do what you want. It's a free country. NT mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #18

I think you will find many who share your unrelenting black and white views/disdain for McCain hlthe2b Aug 2018 #21

So how would I know which Republicans to like/dislike SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #23

I educate myself on the full measure of the person, not merely sound byte or single incident hlthe2b Aug 2018 #27

ALL Rethugs are to be despised... alive or dead. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #106

Lincoln ? Eisenhower ? Earl Warren ? Teddy Roosevelt ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #116

I like the dead ones a little more. mobeau69 Aug 2018 #227

Because it's right Watchfoxheadexplodes Aug 2018 #11

Very well stated! Thank you for your wisdom. cornball 24 Aug 2018 #42

Because not all of us are petty mythology Aug 2018 #15

but actions actually have real-world affects. its not simply disagreeing with McCain, its JCanete Aug 2018 #29

You have the rest of your life to disagree with his policies and rhetoric meadowlander Aug 2018 #208

Not Scalia zipplewrath Aug 2018 #16

Re: Not Scalia SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #17

At this point I don't care if he was Lucifer himself. He's pissing Dear Leader off royally from Vinca Aug 2018 #19

At least this opinion makes sense to me SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #20

I report. You decide. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #22

Is Barack Obama an Arab? SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #26

You are the first person to put that spin on it, Spici. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #28

Teen Vogue article SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #30

In a career as long as McCain's, those are slim pickings. John Fante Aug 2018 #52

Ben Affleck made the same point... SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #215

No that's not the first person who's put that spin on it. Though to be fair, it may not have been JCanete Aug 2018 #33

If he would have flat out said he's not an Arab he would have implied there's something... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #37

She said "Arab", but let's face it. What that deranged old kook really meant was "terrorist". BlueStater Aug 2018 #54

Huh. First time I've heard it. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #55

Sounds a lot like some shitty sub at reddit emulatorloo Aug 2018 #83

Yeah. Another place I don't visit. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #89

No, you're smart. It is a cesspool. emulatorloo Aug 2018 #98

It was "spun" that way at the time jberryhill Aug 2018 #87

I doubt John McCain meant to imply being an "Arab" and a "good family man" are mutually exclusive. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #95

he responded to the spirit of her comment - everybody recognizes that and respects the man for DrDan Aug 2018 #53

That's a Highly redacted version of what McCain said....can you admit that? AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #117

is there something wrong with being born in Kenya ? JI7 Aug 2018 #119

You are choosing a tendentious backward interpretation just to be tendentious Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #132

I know. As someone said at a science fiction thing I was at this weekend, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #24

Harlan Ellison? OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #64

No. Harlan was capable of being a truly miserable human being. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #152

Because he stood against torture, despite GOP pressure mainer Aug 2018 #31

I was raised not to speak ill of the dead. Maybe you were raised further to the East. rzemanfl Aug 2018 #34

Disgusting OP ! stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #35

Thanks for providing nothing to the conversation. SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #44

I agree with you. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #36

Thank you SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #40

Apparently you agree with most of the posters who want to point to the good in his life. LAS14 Aug 2018 #70

What does my full sentence say? NCTraveler Aug 2018 #77

I agree completely and I don't get it. shanny Aug 2018 #38

Thank you SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #41

I SO agree. You've cut thru the sentimentality & the treacle to note some simple facts. Demit Aug 2018 #147

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #226

i am glad he was not president, but he was anti torture + not all turd. pansypoo53219 Aug 2018 #43

Anti-torture until he wasn't... babylonsister Aug 2018 #59

sadly moron W got awayw/ it cause 9/11. pansypoo53219 Aug 2018 #137

"He's our hero now" SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #45

He also called Chelsea Clinton ugly when she was in high school oberliner Aug 2018 #47

Also the guy who said this melman Aug 2018 #91

No... un-FUCKIN-real!! It's like Bizarre World!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #183

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #224

And when McCain confronted the woman at a candidate event, guillaumeb Aug 2018 #46

Highly problematic SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #48

Welcome to DU, guillaumeb Aug 2018 #49

I appreciate you reading it and engaging SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #65

It was a valid statement, guillaumeb Aug 2018 #84

no it is not . . . not for the vast majority DrDan Aug 2018 #58

Actually he did...he said no ma'am...no ma'am...43 sec's into the video AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #121

What a shock flotsam Aug 2018 #50

Seriously? SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #60

You must be young flotsam Aug 2018 #72

Maybe not justified, john657 Aug 2018 #131

This, flotsam Hekate Aug 2018 #171

As a Republican, McCain was our adversary, there's no questioning this fact... MrScorpio Aug 2018 #51

Edgy DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #56

Not trying to be edgy SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #61

This purity shit doesn't surprise me. John Fante Aug 2018 #67

The edgyist of edgelords. Did I get confused and log into Reddit rather than DU? emulatorloo Aug 2018 #88

+100000 Texasgal Aug 2018 #172

We are honoring him because he demonstrated how people can seriously.... LAS14 Aug 2018 #63

Whatever words McCain may or may not spoke is dwarf by his service to beachbum bob Aug 2018 #68

Advocating for every major war SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #71

I think we're honoring him because his good qualities... LAS14 Aug 2018 #74

Two words HopeAgain Aug 2018 #76

Because the bar has been set so low these days. HopeAgain Aug 2018 #75

Using a racial slur against the citizens Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #79

I wouldn't piss on a copy of teen vogue Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #80

Relevant SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #86

Because Armymedic88 Aug 2018 #85

Garbage thread says more about the OP than McCain... VOX Aug 2018 #92

Okay SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #97

ANYONE who fights Trump and what he stands for... VOX Aug 2018 #104

And that's what you think this is all about? NanceGreggs Aug 2018 #107

I have read many reasons to respect this man . . . and have yet to read this one DrDan Aug 2018 #112

+1 bronxiteforever Aug 2018 #101

Merci. It's the least I could do. VOX Aug 2018 #127

Thanks for this. Spot on. Tipperary Aug 2018 #109

You got it. There will likely be more of these... VOX Aug 2018 #122

I'm confused. Are we worried about dividing Democrats shanny Aug 2018 #175

and McCain acknowledged those racist comments, and apologized. Doesn't exonerate it, but he did still_one Aug 2018 #94

+1 bronxiteforever Aug 2018 #102

Well stated. VOX Aug 2018 #115

For three specific reasons that dwarf yours grantcart Aug 2018 #100

I'll go ahead and remember him helping spread the justification for the Iraq War SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #103

Several Democrats voted for the war also, john657 Aug 2018 #136

Well, I am. shanny Aug 2018 #176

yes. cvoogt Aug 2018 #182

Huge... and unforgivable. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #184

Glad you posted this. Bet the op is not even aware of it. Tipperary Aug 2018 #110

You've got class, grantcart. Thank you for this thoughtful post. VOX Aug 2018 #118

Well said DesertRat Aug 2018 #174

No one is telling anyone to honor McCain. Sounds like you are trying to tell folks what not to do. Tipperary Aug 2018 #108

Agenda driven thread, perhaps ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #114

Hit the nail on the head. revmclaren Aug 2018 #120

Sowing discord. Dividing us against ourselves. VOX Aug 2018 #125

I'm talking about my dislike for McCain SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #196

YOU have chosen to not honor him. I have the right to do so. Claritie Pixie Aug 2018 #123

Because Sen. John McCain served his country honorably john657 Aug 2018 #124

Oy! Trash thread. onecaliberal Aug 2018 #128

I Do Not Want The Russell Building Renamed For Him erpowers Aug 2018 #134

he said he was wrong about that. meanwhile the building is currently named after a segregationist JI7 Aug 2018 #139

Change It to Someone Else erpowers Aug 2018 #145

not as many good ones as mccain JI7 Aug 2018 #146

Barack Obama? erpowers Aug 2018 #177

obama wasn't senator that long JI7 Aug 2018 #178

I suppose it is preferable to Skidmore Aug 2018 #140

Rename It After Someone Else erpowers Aug 2018 #144

I think this is a GREAT idea - keep his name in trump's view for the rest of his time in office DrDan Aug 2018 #191

Just how did you arrive at that TeenVogue link? What was your search term or did Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #135

I searched "John McCain" and it came up SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #197

Does Obama deserve the Scalia treatment ? does Hillary ? how about Ted Kennedy ? JI7 Aug 2018 #142

Because we fight for democracy, like he did. Nt BootinUp Aug 2018 #151

Are you aware of what he went through doc03 Aug 2018 #157

A couple of reasons. moriah Aug 2018 #161

To not honor him ornotna Aug 2018 #164

wow...I mean....just 'wow" Demonaut Aug 2018 #165

Because someone has to. jmowreader Aug 2018 #173

I thought this was a good pro / con article with the comments included. You may not but the lunasun Aug 2018 #181

Who is us? I don't allow DU to speak for me or hold opinions for me leftofcool Aug 2018 #185

Russian Politician on McCain: The Enemy is Dead !! stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #189

He just died treestar Aug 2018 #192

I expect that no one who dismisses McCain's 5 years of torture and imprisonment in 60s and 70s EffieBlack Aug 2018 #194

. melman Aug 2018 #211

You may celebrate, dance on a grave, ignore it and say nothing, etc. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #195

What absolute nonsense melman Aug 2018 #212

When you are standing with Trumpers condemning McCain, u may want to rethink your position Kaleva Aug 2018 #198

This is the same position that I had against McCain in 2008 SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #200

McCain died in 2008 also ? JI7 Aug 2018 #202

He ran against Obama... SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #203

he is running against Obama right now ? JI7 Aug 2018 #204

Just because you lose to my guy SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #205

Obama is giving him a free pass ? JI7 Aug 2018 #206

He's eulogizing him alongside W. Bush SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #207

You just don't get it do you? john657 Aug 2018 #235

For me, he's a mixed bag of mostly terrible Bettie Aug 2018 #199

It's really sad when "Better than Trump" is a "tongue-bath". moriah Aug 2018 #209

Hey, there was a time when Bettie Aug 2018 #229

McCain was a decent human being. IluvPitties Aug 2018 #210

I've moved on. Hopefully the O P will move on too. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #213

You called me agenda-driven in another post SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #214

Apologize for what ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #216

This post SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #217

What's wrong with it ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #218

Don't be passive aggressive SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #219

There is no such thing as stupid questions. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #220

Irrelevant SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #221

"Mancrush." DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #222

If you don't want to be accused of having a crush on McCain SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #232

Wow dude, john657 Aug 2018 #236

I'm not fawning on him. Just paying the customary respect to the dead. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #238

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #223

You joined just to air your superiority over us ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #225

Again with this. tymorial Aug 2018 #228

Let the guy die in peace. We're not Trump. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #230

Exactly tymorial Aug 2018 #239

In case you missed it, see yesterday's Democracy Now. elleng Aug 2018 #233

To me MFM008 Aug 2018 #234

And don't forget that McCain tried to saddle us with the dreadfully stupid BigDemVoter Aug 2018 #237