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baldguy

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62. I've already said as much.

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:10 PM

Jan 2012

Based on this incident, and others like it, would you confiscate & put down any Molosser-type dogs (Pit Bulls, Presa Canarios, bulldogs, mastiffs, etc) whose owner doesn't meet your restrictions. Even if they're some unrelated dog in a different environment and regardless of what their past & current behavior was?

That's what breed-specific legislation does.

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Should large potentially dangerous dog breeds such as Pit Bulls and Presa Canarios require a license [View all] Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 OP

absolutely! DrDan Jan 2012 #1

better yet, a license to live. And they should be hard to obtain.Very hard. comipinko Jan 2012 #2

absolutely, and that is the least that should be done quinnox Jan 2012 #3

Breed bans are the most extreme form of stupidity there is. baldguy Jan 2012 #16

What do you know--you and I agree on something for once. TheWraith Jan 2012 #22

So it's okay if people are maimed or killed. randome Jan 2012 #74

Banning particular breeds doesn't work, because that's not the problem. baldguy Jan 2012 #75

And when they refuse... randome Jan 2012 #76

People would miss sesame seeds Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #79

Hmmm. randome Jan 2012 #85

Are you saying every dog of a certain size should be banned? uppityperson Jan 2012 #117

The morons will move on to the next breed du jour MattBaggins Jan 2012 #172

WRONG! THat is the biggest lie promulgated by promoters of these breeds. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #130

Links? baldguy Jan 2012 #134

in 2011 there where 14 people killed by dogs in the US rdking647 Jan 2012 #144

How many were injured? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #146

how many where killed or injured riding a bicycle? rdking647 Jan 2012 #151

Can bicycles run off and maim another person? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #157

Give Stephen King a few months and a typewriter MattBaggins Jan 2012 #173

That is not "naked truth" MattBaggins Jan 2012 #171

Just Happened In Chicago ProfessorGAC Jan 2012 #18

wow quinnox Jan 2012 #21

Not true. intheflow Jan 2012 #71

any link to substantiate that? (an objective link, that is) nt DrDan Jan 2012 #136

National Canine Research Council baldguy Jan 2012 #139

from your site DrDan Jan 2012 #145

Quote the full paragraph, rather than misrepresenting the paper by cherry-picking one sentence. baldguy Jan 2012 #152

done - why must you ALWAYS resort to insults? DrDan Jan 2012 #154

What insult? From your post it's obvious you didn't read the paper. baldguy Jan 2012 #155

agree - the ban is the best solution DrDan Jan 2012 #36

Here we go again. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #4

How about large potentially dangerous human breeds? izquierdista Jan 2012 #5

Agreed Mr Dixon Jan 2012 #9

Yes, Cesar Milan is a good representative of the average dog owner. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #11

The similarities are eery. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #10

What does a classic red herring have to do with the question? HuckleB Jan 2012 #43

Sadly it's illegal to spay and nueter those breeds. Marrah_G Jan 2012 #64

Spay and neuter illegal? Please explain. roody Jan 2012 #77

They were talking about banning certain human beings who tend towards violence. donheld Jan 2012 #135

It was a joke.......... Marrah_G Jan 2012 #150

Worst dog attack I ever saw was a poodle. n/t ScreamingMeemie Jan 2012 #6

Mandatory spay and neuter would be a good start---for all dogs. roody Jan 2012 #7

So you're in favor of the extinction of the species? 11 Bravo Jan 2012 #8

Oh noes! procon Jan 2012 #12

In NY every dog requires a license. baldguy Jan 2012 #13

Perhaps it would be best done by weight. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #15

But you would require a well-trained 100lb dog to be licensed, but not a 10lb killer? baldguy Jan 2012 #19

So you don't accept the fact that larger dogs can potentially do a lot more damage? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #25

An untrained, poorly trained or maliceously trained dog can & will do more damage baldguy Jan 2012 #29

Who's arguing against that? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #34

You're basing your standards on things that have no bearing on the problem: breed or size. baldguy Jan 2012 #42

Poor training plus large size is a greater danger. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #44

Either way, both issues cause unnecessary doctor visits. HuckleB Jan 2012 #46

ANY inproperly trained dog is a danger & can kill. baldguy Jan 2012 #55

How many family members were lost to the Yorkie? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #56

Silky, not a Yorkie. They're different breeds. baldguy Jan 2012 #61

So incredibly poor training resulted in minor injuries for with that breed? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #78

in 2008 a jack russel terrier killed someone rdking647 Jan 2012 #148

Hence the reasons many dog fighting rings features poodles and yorkies...? LanternWaste Jan 2012 #69

That probably has more to do with the human perception that size matters. intheflow Jan 2012 #72

There are many breeds larger than Pit Bulls that are not used in dog fights normally. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #80

Also usually much harder to get than pit bulls. intheflow Jan 2012 #83

So the answer is to make Pit Bulls harder to get? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #87

Nice straw man. intheflow Jan 2012 #133

I was not the one that claimed Irish Wolf Hounds are not used in dog fighting because they are hard Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #138

They are not the breed du jour MattBaggins Jan 2012 #174

Size does indeed matter Marrah_G Jan 2012 #66

I talked about my dogs downthread XemaSab Jan 2012 #20

What do you think the damage would look like if the 105lb dog attacked? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #26

I think any of my dogs could kill a person XemaSab Jan 2012 #33

Would there be no differences in time needed? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #37

And this is how the legend of the "vicious killer Pit Bull" has come about. baldguy Jan 2012 #49

This one was trained to hate trampolines. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #51

And "vicious killer Pit Bull" stories circulate around & around & around. This story is 3 yrs old. baldguy Jan 2012 #58

So you would agree that a license and training may have helped this pet owner? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #60

I've already said as much. baldguy Jan 2012 #62

Sure, along with German Shepherds, Rottweilers and a few others. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #81

The only words for that are stupid & insane. baldguy Jan 2012 #95

Until you have another method to assure that people are trained to train the dogs, then licensing Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #96

And in NY every dog needs to have a license. baldguy Jan 2012 #98

So you agree that licensing is the correct response? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #101

I disagree vehemently with breed-specific laws. baldguy Jan 2012 #104

so you view licenses as punishment. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #113

5132771 <- my dog's NYS Dept of Agriculture & Markets license number. baldguy Jan 2012 #116

so NYS licenses require a specific test or class? NT Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #123

No. But the city animal shelter where requires that their animals (dogs & cats) all to be nuetered. baldguy Jan 2012 #126

So it really is a tax and not a license. NT Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #128

I think it's as much an issue of temperament as size XemaSab Jan 2012 #57

Goldens can deliver a bite lapislzi Jan 2012 #53

I don't know sorefeet Jan 2012 #14

All dogs are *potentially* dangerous XemaSab Jan 2012 #17

My girls aren't even "potentially" dangerous HillWilliam Jan 2012 #89

Training should be required for owners of pit bulls Kingofalldems Jan 2012 #23

That's just blatant breedism. pintobean Jan 2012 #28

OK any bull dog breed. Kingofalldems Jan 2012 #32

pintobean Jan 2012 #35

My Pit Bull can't play tug-o-war for shit. baldguy Jan 2012 #30

Thats a good thing Marrah_G Jan 2012 #68

Training should be required for **ALL** dog owners HillWilliam Jan 2012 #92

No more so than any other breed of dog. And yes, that is breedism. uppityperson Jan 2012 #118

the fact that larger dogs trend to be more dangerous Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #124

Yet the argument is not about larger dogs but pit bulls. There are dogs much larger than pits. uppityperson Jan 2012 #125

I said I was very open to expanding the requirement Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #127

You want to ban all dogs larger than what? A beagle? Oops, Am Staff terriers are in that uppityperson Jan 2012 #132

No ban. Licensing with required training. nt. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #137

should smaller dogs require licensing, owners get training? Who will provide the training? uppityperson Jan 2012 #165

Same way all licensing is regulated. Government oversight. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #166

Enforcement of all dog licensing through veterinarians would be the place to start. undeterred Jan 2012 #24

How would that help? HuckleB Jan 2012 #45

Well... greytdemocrat Jan 2012 #27

I'm inclined to say yes. closeupready Jan 2012 #31

You really shouldn't lump pit bulls in with Presa Canarios KamaAina Jan 2012 #38

Maybe this one was trained to hate trampolines Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #41

Hell. No. Where do we draw the line?? How is it we call for a free and open society DFab420 Jan 2012 #39

Far more regulation of dogs as pets is needed. HuckleB Jan 2012 #40

No, The problem with your mindset is that MicaelS Jan 2012 #47

Requiring licenses is a punishment? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #52

No, and yes MicaelS Jan 2012 #54

You want me to need to get a license to buy a 22? What? No, all gun purchases don't need uppityperson Jan 2012 #119

difference between big guns, but not big dogs? NT Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #122

Precisely how is licensing a form of punishment? LanternWaste Jan 2012 #70

This is what one of the cities in Delaware requires... one_voice Jan 2012 #48

Yes, they are required to be registered Miami-Dade County, FL. RebelOne Jan 2012 #50

Yes. Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #59

I think they should need a license that one would have to take classes to recieve. Marrah_G Jan 2012 #63

A license is required in NJ FarCenter Jan 2012 #65

At a maximum there should be a prohibition on those with bad character from owning or possessing LiberalFighter Jan 2012 #67

Your idea makes a great deal of sense... 99Forever Jan 2012 #73

No, what a stupid idea TorchTheWitch Jan 2012 #82

And that's been tried for how many decades now? randome Jan 2012 #84

BREEDS aren't inherently dangerous TorchTheWitch Jan 2012 #159

I think it is safe to say Aerows Jan 2012 #141

so large sized dogs should be banned or licensed because they freak you out? TorchTheWitch Jan 2012 #160

Please don't put words in my mouth Aerows Jan 2012 #161

It depends guitar man Jan 2012 #86

Genetic testing should make this feasible. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #88

40 lb guitar man Jan 2012 #90

I would be happy at 30lb as well. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #91

They should not be regulated more than other breeds. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #93

Why are you so concerned about a relatively small number of deaths per year? n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #94

How many deaths (and injuries) should I be concerned about? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #97

You don't know how many people are killed by dogs each year? baldguy Jan 2012 #109

Well I was thinking of Bicycles, but your points are all good ones too. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #111

NO! Xicano Jan 2012 #99

A right? No. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #100

So owning a pet is not a right? LOL Next you'll be saying having kids is not a right. Xicano Jan 2012 #102

Does the pet right only apply to dogs? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #103

The owner of an apartment has a right not to allow pets on THEIR property. Xicano Jan 2012 #105

where is this right to own a pet codified into law? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #106

Rights aren't codified but assumed. Your question misunderstands our system TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #110

So you have no problem with my tiger? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #112

owning a pet is not a right MattBaggins Jan 2012 #176

Owning a pet is a responsability. baldguy Jan 2012 #177

They should require a permanent leash tied to their owners randr Jan 2012 #107

No. The average owner can handle these dogs, almost always it is the asshole owners TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #108

I disagree. The average owner is not prepared Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #114

"The people who think they're large did could never hurt a fly scare me." What? I mean, wtf? uppityperson Jan 2012 #120

auto correct. NT Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #121

From what I have seen the "average" dog owner is usually clueless Marrah_G Jan 2012 #158

Not as clueless as people who push BSLs that don't work. baldguy Jan 2012 #162

What is a BSL? Marrah_G Jan 2012 #167

Like I said - clueless. baldguy Jan 2012 #168

Okay you are just behaving like a jerk Marrah_G Jan 2012 #170

You promote something and you have no clue what it is or how it effects people baldguy Jan 2012 #175

i would have to see something more than scary anecdotal stories arely staircase Jan 2012 #115

San Diego elderly woman just lost 3 limbs to pit bull attacks, then died months later. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #129

Do you have a link? Or are you just spreading uninformed & misleading hype? baldguy Jan 2012 #140

How large? Fawke Em Jan 2012 #131

and how do you know whats a pitbull? rdking647 Jan 2012 #142

in 2011 there where 14 people killed by dogs in the US rdking647 Jan 2012 #143

How many were injured? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #147

Why don't YOU find the data, and present it to us? MicaelS Jan 2012 #156

Don't hold your breath... Rex Jan 2012 #164

Definitely not planning on it, thanks n/t MicaelS Jan 2012 #169

my pet -like me- are of questionable origin dembotoz Jan 2012 #149

Orchid is definitely of the waggy variety. baldguy Jan 2012 #153

Only if you live in a 'World of Fear' 24/7. Rex Jan 2012 #163

*all* dogs require a license in most states; and some states have breed-specific legislation inna Jan 2012 #178