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164. Well. I posted the WAPO's article that stated similar figures in post 115..

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:03 AM

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However the article,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/

and numbers discussed revealed two categories of Sanders voters .

1. Sanders - Hillary voters
2. Sanders - Trump voters.

So depending on whether you go with the 6% or 12% percentage of Sanders voters who voted for tRump this means that either 94% or 88% of Sanders voters voted for Hillary.

That same WAPO articles analysis concluded that the Sanders - Trump voters were not predisposed to vote for Hillary to begin with and were not Democrats.

Relative to recent elections that 94% or 88% of Sanders voters who voted for the nominee is high. Only 76% of Hillary voters in 2008 voted for Senator Obama.
24% voted for McCain.

Let's look at Wisconsin. Bernie received 570,192 votes in the primary. The article state that 51k Sanders voters vote for tRump. That works out to 8.9% of Sanders primary voters voting for tRump. 91.1% of Sanders primary voters voted for Hillary

In the general there were 2,787 820 votes cast in Wisconsin . The Sander - Trump voters, 51k, were 1.8% of that. That's almost noise.

Why didn't Hillary campaign in those rust belt states particularly after tRump did ? Or in other words how in the hell did a Democratic candidate do that badly in Wisconsin ?

The WI General election map from 2008

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wisconsin_presidential_election_results_2008.svg

The WI General election map from 2016

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wisconsin_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg

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Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof [View all] WhiteTara Aug 2018 OP

Face it, the Green Party took enough votes in the states that mattered that would have shraby Aug 2018 #1

Hell no JackInGreen Aug 2018 #3

Why are some people still trying to expel Democrats who voted "wrong" in the 2016 primary? lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #222

Yes. Every Democrat running in those critical swing states lost to the incumbent, establishment, still_one Aug 2018 #10

Yikes Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #2

First off, non voters handed the election to Trump Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #213

Two of my nieces are among that 12%. lamp_shade Aug 2018 #4

How do they feel about that? joshcryer Aug 2018 #8

Neither has brought it up since. lamp_shade Aug 2018 #21

Wow, lampshade. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #32

There's so much wrong with them that it's hard to know where to start. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #82

Good, they should not be voting RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #247

I think if people had taken the time to check out both candidates LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #142

Yeah, if you watched one single roundtable she did. joshcryer Aug 2018 #144

I couldn't get over that. I heard so many speeches and discussions. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #214

Let's remember the context. "Grab them by their pussies" grantcart Aug 2018 #178

What they said and did does not make any sense. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #24

See my post #21 lamp_shade Aug 2018 #26

That's some deep brainwashing.. they sucked in Cha Aug 2018 #53

with a garnish of misogyny nt spooky3 Aug 2018 #80

Oh yeah.. the fucking brainwashers went at Hillary Full Bore and Cha Aug 2018 #83

Had dinner w a coworker yesterday who was like that onetexan Aug 2018 #187

Yeah, it's sickening and disheartening. Cha Aug 2018 #190

Yup!! And if bernie doesn't stay away from the 2020 race... the dye may very well be cast Thekaspervote Aug 2018 #165

Totally get your point...but to Julius Caesar Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2018 #254

Do they at least have any regrets?? InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #172

Thanks so much, we REALLY want and need to see more of this, elleng Aug 2018 #5

This has nothing to do with Bernie. Bernie endorsed the Democratic nominee. This has EVERYTHING to still_one Aug 2018 #12

You may be right, but the OP SAYS 'Bernie Sanders Helped Trump Win' elleng Aug 2018 #19

Actually it said "Bernie Sanders' voters", and no doubt that was used to create the typical sparing still_one Aug 2018 #25

DAMN quick! elleng Aug 2018 #28

+1 Agschmid Aug 2018 #61

That's the headline of the Newsweek story cited. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #185

Another view justie18 Aug 2018 #35

This lunamagica Aug 2018 #45

Exactly. How Cha Aug 2018 #57

This sheshe2 Aug 2018 #58

Whoa! Cha Aug 2018 #69

Yup. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #88

That poster who's claiming "false narrative" Cha Aug 2018 #95

Fact, Cha. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #104

Body language is a funny thing.. JHan Aug 2018 #209

False narrative. Agschmid Aug 2018 #62

Actually it's exactly what happened. Cha Aug 2018 #66

No, it's someone adding their own spin on it. Agschmid Aug 2018 #67

I know exactly what the post stated and I agree wholeheartedly. Cha Aug 2018 #79

I have read the entire thread and the articles Gothmog Aug 2018 #155

That means a Lot, Goth.. and You were at the Convention! Cha Aug 2018 #159

The convention was not a fun experience Gothmog Aug 2018 #197

Nothing false about it. It is what happened, in a nutshell lunamagica Aug 2018 #113

+Millions! Cha Aug 2018 #160

I have my personal bias, and was and am a strong Hillary supporter, however since the midterms are still_one Aug 2018 #86

So there's a GOOD time to divide Democrats? lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #223

That isn't what I said, but thank you for distorting and misrepresenting what I said. Democrats still_one Aug 2018 #231

The OP claims that Bernie voters helped Trump. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #238

Yes, and there were some Sander's voters who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee. The still_one Aug 2018 #241

We definitely agree more than disagree. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #243

And has continued to act that way. MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #193

I do believe this is the Moscow line.. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #198

I'd say it has everything to do with some of the voters that Bernie attracted and Hillary couldn't. shanny Aug 2018 #38

I Was One Of Those ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #195

I was too. shanny Aug 2018 #205

I honestly believe Hillary won Colorado mountain grammy Aug 2018 #199

I agree. shanny Aug 2018 #208

Thank you for pointing that out... not that Bernie will EVER get credit for ANYTHING from some here. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #230

This RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #248

More to the point, this is a year-old article, and got thoroughly debated back then... regnaD kciN Aug 2018 #161

I think the point is pretty clear. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #175

When you convince your followers that your opponent is not worthy Kahuna7 Aug 2018 #188

Someone here doesn't like Newsweek, albeit it's an old article. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2018 #6

From Bernie to Dotard? mcar Aug 2018 #7

Of course it had something to do with sexism Rural_Progressive Aug 2018 #40

The voters decided they wanted Hillary as the Democratic candidate, and she won by MILLIONS lunamagica Aug 2018 #47

"The Next Time Someone Tries to Tell You That Hillary.. Cha Aug 2018 #183

That is a great meme Gothmog Aug 2018 #250

I don't think I need point out to you.. JHan Aug 2018 #76

Excellent. dawg day Aug 2018 #134

Beautifully said, JHan! lunamagica Aug 2018 #138

I love you JHan. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #156

Spot on apcalc Aug 2018 #179

Brilliantly stated, JHan! Cha Aug 2018 #182

The 1932 platform is equally interesting lapucelle Aug 2018 #186

Thank you for that.. JHan Aug 2018 #203

"You Erased Her" Me. Aug 2018 #227

The person you're responding to didn't say she didn't deserve it. meadowlander Aug 2018 #233

It was a gender based argument. JHan Aug 2018 #239

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Aug 2018 #251

So We Should Just Nominate White Men Me. Aug 2018 #219

Was it racism when 28% of Clinton supporters voted for McCain? Major Nikon Aug 2018 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2018 #64

part of it, look at harriet christian. JI7 Aug 2018 #108

That rather important bit of context was oddly missing from the OP mythology Aug 2018 #141

Given recent history it's far less Major Nikon Aug 2018 #148

I don't think there's any proof that 28% radical noodle Aug 2018 #162

Neither is there any proof that 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump Major Nikon Aug 2018 #192

Perhaps not absolute proof but a good indication radical noodle Aug 2018 #211

There's also a good indication more Clinton supporters voted for McCain Major Nikon Aug 2018 #217

Oh, in many cases I think that was exactly the reason radical noodle Aug 2018 #255

That left a mark Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #244

I know.. that Racist Pervert!?? Cha Aug 2018 #103

My guess NewJeffCT Aug 2018 #220

That's a good theory mcar Aug 2018 #225

There you go. That's a bit tough to stomach, although it's more Hoyt Aug 2018 #9

Russia did interfere in certain ways, but there is no denying that this was a big factor still_one Aug 2018 #15

Yes, but don't believe they hacked votes. Further, anyone that believed Ruskie Hoyt Aug 2018 #16

They hacked into several state election systems, that's proven. I doubt they were... brush Aug 2018 #44

Didn't have to. 12%, or even 2%, discussed in OP accomplished Hoyt Aug 2018 #52

That makes no sense. brush Aug 2018 #72

Maybe you need to reread OP. Hoyt Aug 2018 #73

Maybe you need to explain your reasoning. brush Aug 2018 #89

If 2% of people who voted for Sanders voted for trump Hoyt Aug 2018 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Aug 2018 #77

Do you have evidence of hundreds of people being turned away from polls? Hoyt Aug 2018 #94

Here's the thing about "losing to trump" mountain grammy Aug 2018 #202

We know some Sanders people voted for trump or pouted and didn't vote in general election. We know Hoyt Aug 2018 #204

Yes, she was swiftboated for decades mountain grammy Aug 2018 #215

Well, numerous people here do know Sanders supporters who didn't vote for Clinton. And the OP says Hoyt Aug 2018 #216

and my argument back will always be mountain grammy Aug 2018 #221

There were some similarities between those two. Hard to deny. Hoyt Aug 2018 #226

I was part of a very active Bernie group mountain grammy Aug 2018 #240

Yes, the Russians Hacked the election systems and I don't Cha Aug 2018 #65

There's proof they got int registration systems. Maybe the reason Hoyt Aug 2018 #84

They were certainly up to something and most of it is still classified. See this link. LonePirate Aug 2018 #158

I agree it could have happened, but don't believe it is as easy as people think. Hoyt Aug 2018 #163

I believe they did hack votes Absolutely. apcalc Aug 2018 #180

Heck, I remember photos of stolen ballot boxes in the 1950s. Also remember claims of "I was robbed" Hoyt Aug 2018 #207

Not that unusual unc70 Aug 2018 #11

Bingo Quixote1818 Aug 2018 #13

It didn't cost Obama the election. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #14

Obama had positive approval ratings among registered voters. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #51

It doesn't State how many of the Clinton primary voters did not vote for Obama uponit7771 Aug 2018 #27

Actually it does. 25% Clinton primary voters for MCCain unc70 Aug 2018 #29

Well there's an inconvenient fact. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #43

No kiddin'... but, hey, why let that stop a good Bernie bashing. Awards night comin' up... InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #232

You're right, I read the OP wrong ... yeah ... sounds like a shit kicking post uponit7771 Aug 2018 #48

Exactly ZeroSomeBrains Aug 2018 #34

The author is a complete moron Major Nikon Aug 2018 #39

"25 percent of those who voted for Clinton in the Democratic primary ended up voting for..... George II Aug 2018 #63

Boom! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #81

I've always ignored the Whataboutism about 2008... JHan Aug 2018 #147

Its not whataboutism. Its that there was nothing at all about Sanders impact on this race JCanete Aug 2018 #176

Since this is not the first time your recollection of History is different to what happened... JHan Aug 2018 #194

I don't believe I ignore points you make JHan. I do disagree with your points, but I'm not sure that JCanete Aug 2018 #218

I'm not sure all those 2008 Clinton voters were really Clinton voters. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #97

From BS to the Racist Pervert?! You see the difference. Cha Aug 2018 #100

BS non-story posted by obsessives bitterly clinging to refighting a primary from 2 years ago! Bonheur Aug 2018 #181

"In 2008 25% of Clinton primary voters voted for McCain in the general election." pampango Aug 2018 #17

I bet most of that PUMA stuff was enemy driven as well. NightWatcher Aug 2018 #20

Some like to forget that shit Major Nikon Aug 2018 #41

I sure as hell don't. I vote for the Dem no matter what. Cha Aug 2018 #101

Which is why I despise them even more than I do Trump. They were supposedly smarter than him. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #18

Operative word "suppose" to be. Cha Aug 2018 #169

She makes my skin crawl. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #242

PUMAs? moondust Aug 2018 #22

So Clinton got twice as much as Obama, hmmmmm. More proof Russians might been involved uponit7771 Aug 2018 #23

How many Bernie voters would have voted for Hillary safeinOhio Aug 2018 #30

Why would Hillary have Ever done that? Cha Aug 2018 #56

Gee I don't know because he received a huge sum of primary votes? Agschmid Aug 2018 #71

Hillary knew who she wanted and it wasn't BS. Cha Aug 2018 #74

And she's entitled to make a pick. Agschmid Aug 2018 #78

And, you have to lob a personal insult to try and make your point. Cha Aug 2018 #85

It's not a personal attack, it's a fact. Agschmid Aug 2018 #131

Yeah, keep digging. Cha Aug 2018 #145

i notice that also Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #224

The fact that you need to answer with a personal attack shows you have no argument lunamagica Aug 2018 #120

Actually my argument is that people are being intellectually dishonest. Agschmid Aug 2018 #132

It is not a fact. It is only your opinion. An opinion I strongly disagree with lunamagica Aug 2018 #137

I didn't ever say he would be a good pick, I said saying there were zero reasons to pick him... Agschmid Aug 2018 #139

Having a "following" sheshe2 Aug 2018 #149

Important points on why BS would not have made a Cha Aug 2018 #167

Exactly, Cha. Pick him because he had "a following" (even though most couldn't bother to vote) lunamagica Aug 2018 #170

It would have been a disaster. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #166

Mahalo, she.. Cha Aug 2018 #168

Hillary would have been President had she picked VP Sanders... without a doubt. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #173

Probably not that many more tbh. Agschmid Aug 2018 #70

Can we get beyond this please xxqqqzme Aug 2018 #31

It will never end. A zombie apocalypse wouldn't end it n/t leftstreet Aug 2018 #60

I am not allowed to talk about 2016, therefore, buckle up, gonna happen again Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #102

This happens in every after primary GE vote elmac Aug 2018 #33

THIS... thank you! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #228

the ones booing at the convention voted for Trump JI7 Aug 2018 #36

... Major Nikon Aug 2018 #37

.... Sugar Smack Aug 2018 #68

...... peekaloo Aug 2018 #91

I know a lot of people who did so. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2018 #46

those people are ok with Trump's bigotry JI7 Aug 2018 #49

Indifferent to it at the very least. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2018 #140

Yet another red-herring article to deflect from the fact that the election was STOLEN diva77 Aug 2018 #50

says more about them than us... samnsara Aug 2018 #54

These were interesting statistics a year ago. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #55

Most Bernie supporters voted for Hillary. wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #59

So how do we get Bernie/or third party voters on our side? backtoblue Aug 2018 #75

Agreed n/t JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #106

Thanks Joe backtoblue Aug 2018 #109

Failure in Nov is not an option. We need every vote we can JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #114

Amen! backtoblue Aug 2018 #116

Here we go: JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #118

Fight! Speak! Love! backtoblue Aug 2018 #121

Thanks for fighting. It takes tons of energy and thought. But it is the only way to win! JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #124

She became my hero in 2000 backtoblue Aug 2018 #127

Thanks for the reminder about Gore. JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #129

I just got another vote since talking to ya!!! backtoblue Aug 2018 #135

Great! JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #136

K&R Gothmog Aug 2018 #87

They were BoBs liberal N proud Aug 2018 #90

yep - Bernie bots were a rabid bunch, a lot switched to Jill in spite I think Baclava Aug 2018 #189

It as if they wanted trump to win liberal N proud Aug 2018 #246

I don't care what anyone says, we're not as smart as we think, we're still a trial and error species Baclava Aug 2018 #252

KnR sheshe2 Aug 2018 #92

2016 is over TheRealNorth Aug 2018 #93

Why wouldn't Bernie voters staying home out of spite count in these numbers? mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #171

Time to put it to rest and move on beachbum bob Aug 2018 #96

Of that I have zero doubt. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #98

An ole friend was wild about Bernie voted for Trump and still thinks he did the right thing because JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #105

not by appealing to their sexist conspiracies. they are ok with bigotry JI7 Aug 2018 #111

I would take a Dem vote from a bigot before I want him voting for a Rethug. JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #117

not if you need to become a bigot for their vote JI7 Aug 2018 #143

At this point in history, I don't care what any bigot might "want". As long as they vote for Dems. JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #150

they want democratic bigots so it does matter . they want to get rid of civil rights JI7 Aug 2018 #152

My father-in-law did the same thing... couldn't talk him out of it no matter how hard I tried. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #234

Those voters didn't give a shite about SCOTUS, Cha Aug 2018 #107

Yup, anti-Democrats! R B Garr Aug 2018 #119

They're even further away from the dream of "free stuff". oasis Aug 2018 #126

Good Point, oasis!.. Cha Aug 2018 #154

Attention DUers! Circular Firing Squad this way!! klook Aug 2018 #110

ATTENTION! THIS is About the GE in 2016. Cha Aug 2018 #112

Relative to recent elections, your conclusion is flawed CentralMass Aug 2018 #115

And about a equal percentage of Hillary supporters voted for McCain in 2008. Remember PUMA? Kaleva Aug 2018 #122

Dontchaknow?! No whataboutism allowed!! hahaha... seriously, excellent point! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #229

For the most part I don't blame Sanders. I refuse to take the blame off Comey, where it belongs. StevieM Aug 2018 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author StevieM Aug 2018 #125

Those bastards! egduj Aug 2018 #128

K&R musette_sf Aug 2018 #130

Let's really tackle this.. JHan Aug 2018 #133

.... ehrnst Aug 2018 #196

Many Bernie supporters were not Democrats to begin with. earthshine Aug 2018 #146

past is prologue, idiots vote emotions Demonaut Aug 2018 #151

Here is some on this topic Gothmog Aug 2018 #153

Damn.. and throw in those who got Sucked in by stein's LIES Cha Aug 2018 #157

Agreed Gothmog Aug 2018 #200

Well. I posted the WAPO's article that stated similar figures in post 115.. CentralMass Aug 2018 #164

Cool....study only available to political wire members. Quote from the article.... JCanete Aug 2018 #174

Hes going to try MFM008 Aug 2018 #177

Unfortunate thread Awsi Dooger Aug 2018 #184

Why is Hillary Clinton entitled to some other candidate's voters? TheFarseer Aug 2018 #191

I noted these were interesting stats. WhiteTara Aug 2018 #210

Stay in your hole... hahaha!! (Some good points.) InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #235

I think that is very possible. kentuck Aug 2018 #201

Lets worry about getting some of the 90+ million eligible voters who didn't bother to vote. jalan48 Aug 2018 #206

Ding! Ding! Ding!... We hava winner!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #236

Wow. Why has this never been posted before on DU?!? progressoid Aug 2018 #212

Gettin' old... specially when we need to be united goin' into the 2018 elections and beyond. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #237

See post 164. CentralMass Aug 2018 #253

So what? whopis01 Aug 2018 #245

The point is that many want to blame progressives for the loss ... earthshine Aug 2018 #249

Really, what we want is for this NOT to happen again. WhiteTara Aug 2018 #257

Blaming Bernie is blah, blah, blah. I said no such thing about democracy. earthshine Aug 2018 #258

Indictment: Russians also tried to help Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein presidential campaigns Gothmog Aug 2018 #256