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SammyWinstonJack

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Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:16 AM

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Yeah, but why are WE honoring John McCain? [View all] SpicyBoi Aug 2018 OP

Republicans get extra credit for occasional decency. irresistable Aug 2018 #1

Because we are better than that-simple. Boxerfan Aug 2018 #2

Sorry, I will not self-delete SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #7

"Because we are better than that" - yes! Shemp Howard Aug 2018 #99

Civility? Demit Aug 2018 #113

And you've never done idiotic things in your life? N/T john657 Aug 2018 #126

I've never been a U.S. Senator Demit Aug 2018 #129

You've never ridiculed the looks of anyone? john657 Aug 2018 #133

Again, U.S. Senator. Teenage girl. Who never did anything to him. In public. Demit Aug 2018 #141

We all make mistakes. john657 Aug 2018 #143

Sure, those things were "mistakes." What do you suppose he meant to say Demit Aug 2018 #148

I'll kindly ask you to not put words in my mouth. john657 Aug 2018 #149

So you are saying that you will not speak ill of someone because he was a 'fellow' Vietnam Vet? pangaia Aug 2018 #153

Unless they are/were criminals, john657 Aug 2018 #154

In that case... pangaia Aug 2018 #156

Absolutely!!!! john657 Aug 2018 #160

It's not even about John, really. Well it is in that he was Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #201

Yup, there's that too. john657 Aug 2018 #231

Gosh, enough already. secondwind Aug 2018 #188

Why? Inconvenient facts harshing your buzz? Demit Aug 2018 #193

Hear, hear. +1,000% secondwind Aug 2018 #187

I've been fighting these same feelings, and I have a few different thoughts. LisaM Aug 2018 #3

Don't sell out your own opinions for other people SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #4

Yes (you are wrong IMO). Most of us are generally able to see the complexities of individuals hlthe2b Aug 2018 #5

Did you want to bomb Iran? SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #10

Apparently, you refuse to read my full post, given your question which is hlthe2b Aug 2018 #14

McCain was for every war during his time in senate at140 Aug 2018 #57

You likewise apparently did not read my post as nowhere did I suggest that to be point of agreement hlthe2b Aug 2018 #62

I have bitter memories from wars at140 Aug 2018 #96

The World Trade Center Blds ring a bell? AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #111

Did some country do that? shanny Aug 2018 #138

+10 at140 Aug 2018 #170

You mean all those Saudi people flying planes? at140 Aug 2018 #169

McCain and his fellow warmongers have blood on their hands... plain and simple. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #105

As, usually is the case, I agree with you. pangaia Aug 2018 #158

True. I feel like the trap some here are falling into is the old adage: InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #179

I voted for Hillary in 2008 and in the last general election. Did she ever meet a war she didn't CentralMass Aug 2018 #180

Well said Bradshaw3 Aug 2018 #25

+1 n/t tammywammy Aug 2018 #32

I find very little about the man to be complex. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #39

It is WE who need to be able to hold complex thought processes. Not all is black & white despite hlthe2b Aug 2018 #69

That is how I can to my opinion about McCain. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #73

He also did some good. Ask John Kerry, a long term foe, but one who came to work and respect hlthe2b Aug 2018 #78

My determined foe as well. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #90

To see the measure of a man whose career and service stretched over 60 years, you need to look at hlthe2b Aug 2018 #93

I rarely think of politicians as 'serving.' pangaia Aug 2018 #159

hlthe2bdidn't say anything about the torture he endured at the hands of the NVA, john657 Aug 2018 #162

Are you kidding me? You don't find his military service, imprisonment & torture as POW as SERVICE? hlthe2b Aug 2018 #163

I am 74. pangaia Aug 2018 #167

You really know little of his record, do you? He was the most vocal (& effective)opponent to torture hlthe2b Aug 2018 #166

I know of his opposition to torture. pangaia Aug 2018 #168

Nonsense flotsam Aug 2018 #130

Well said. We need more nuanced thinking like this among progressives. nt LAS14 Aug 2018 #66

This is a very good answer and one I totally agree with. MuseRider Aug 2018 #81

This. (Thank you!) ObamaKerryDem Aug 2018 #82

Your Fitzgerald quote is one I have always come back to. pangaia Aug 2018 #155

Because being for something Trump is against is the highest priority. nt MadDAsHell Aug 2018 #6

It appears that's the case SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #12

+1 leftstreet Aug 2018 #150

pretty much A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2018 #186

It would seem so. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2018 #190

..because as flawed as he was he was the GOP was ever gonna be...now hes gone.. samnsara Aug 2018 #8

Decency. NT mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #9

You think it's "decent" to make someone pretend they respect a guy they dislike? SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #13

You can do what you want. It's a free country. NT mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #18

I think you will find many who share your unrelenting black and white views/disdain for McCain hlthe2b Aug 2018 #21

So how would I know which Republicans to like/dislike SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #23

I educate myself on the full measure of the person, not merely sound byte or single incident hlthe2b Aug 2018 #27

ALL Rethugs are to be despised... alive or dead. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #106

Lincoln ? Eisenhower ? Earl Warren ? Teddy Roosevelt ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #116

I like the dead ones a little more. mobeau69 Aug 2018 #227

Because it's right Watchfoxheadexplodes Aug 2018 #11

Very well stated! Thank you for your wisdom. cornball 24 Aug 2018 #42

Because not all of us are petty mythology Aug 2018 #15

but actions actually have real-world affects. its not simply disagreeing with McCain, its JCanete Aug 2018 #29

You have the rest of your life to disagree with his policies and rhetoric meadowlander Aug 2018 #208

Not Scalia zipplewrath Aug 2018 #16

Re: Not Scalia SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #17

At this point I don't care if he was Lucifer himself. He's pissing Dear Leader off royally from Vinca Aug 2018 #19

At least this opinion makes sense to me SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #20

I report. You decide. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #22

Is Barack Obama an Arab? SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #26

You are the first person to put that spin on it, Spici. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #28

Teen Vogue article SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #30

In a career as long as McCain's, those are slim pickings. John Fante Aug 2018 #52

Ben Affleck made the same point... SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #215

No that's not the first person who's put that spin on it. Though to be fair, it may not have been JCanete Aug 2018 #33

If he would have flat out said he's not an Arab he would have implied there's something... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #37

She said "Arab", but let's face it. What that deranged old kook really meant was "terrorist". BlueStater Aug 2018 #54

Huh. First time I've heard it. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #55

Sounds a lot like some shitty sub at reddit emulatorloo Aug 2018 #83

Yeah. Another place I don't visit. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #89

No, you're smart. It is a cesspool. emulatorloo Aug 2018 #98

It was "spun" that way at the time jberryhill Aug 2018 #87

I doubt John McCain meant to imply being an "Arab" and a "good family man" are mutually exclusive. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #95

he responded to the spirit of her comment - everybody recognizes that and respects the man for DrDan Aug 2018 #53

That's a Highly redacted version of what McCain said....can you admit that? AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #117

is there something wrong with being born in Kenya ? JI7 Aug 2018 #119

You are choosing a tendentious backward interpretation just to be tendentious Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #132

I know. As someone said at a science fiction thing I was at this weekend, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #24

Harlan Ellison? OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #64

No. Harlan was capable of being a truly miserable human being. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #152

Because he stood against torture, despite GOP pressure mainer Aug 2018 #31

I was raised not to speak ill of the dead. Maybe you were raised further to the East. rzemanfl Aug 2018 #34

Disgusting OP ! stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #35

Thanks for providing nothing to the conversation. SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #44

I agree with you. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #36

Thank you SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #40

Apparently you agree with most of the posters who want to point to the good in his life. LAS14 Aug 2018 #70

What does my full sentence say? NCTraveler Aug 2018 #77

I agree completely and I don't get it. shanny Aug 2018 #38

Thank you SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #41

I SO agree. You've cut thru the sentimentality & the treacle to note some simple facts. Demit Aug 2018 #147

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #226

i am glad he was not president, but he was anti torture + not all turd. pansypoo53219 Aug 2018 #43

Anti-torture until he wasn't... babylonsister Aug 2018 #59

sadly moron W got awayw/ it cause 9/11. pansypoo53219 Aug 2018 #137

"He's our hero now" SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #45

He also called Chelsea Clinton ugly when she was in high school oberliner Aug 2018 #47

Also the guy who said this melman Aug 2018 #91

No... un-FUCKIN-real!! It's like Bizarre World!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #183

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #224

And when McCain confronted the woman at a candidate event, guillaumeb Aug 2018 #46

Highly problematic SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #48

Welcome to DU, guillaumeb Aug 2018 #49

I appreciate you reading it and engaging SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #65

It was a valid statement, guillaumeb Aug 2018 #84

no it is not . . . not for the vast majority DrDan Aug 2018 #58

Actually he did...he said no ma'am...no ma'am...43 sec's into the video AncientGeezer Aug 2018 #121

What a shock flotsam Aug 2018 #50

Seriously? SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #60

You must be young flotsam Aug 2018 #72

Maybe not justified, john657 Aug 2018 #131

This, flotsam Hekate Aug 2018 #171

As a Republican, McCain was our adversary, there's no questioning this fact... MrScorpio Aug 2018 #51

Edgy DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #56

Not trying to be edgy SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #61

This purity shit doesn't surprise me. John Fante Aug 2018 #67

The edgyist of edgelords. Did I get confused and log into Reddit rather than DU? emulatorloo Aug 2018 #88

+100000 Texasgal Aug 2018 #172

We are honoring him because he demonstrated how people can seriously.... LAS14 Aug 2018 #63

Whatever words McCain may or may not spoke is dwarf by his service to beachbum bob Aug 2018 #68

Advocating for every major war SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #71

I think we're honoring him because his good qualities... LAS14 Aug 2018 #74

Two words HopeAgain Aug 2018 #76

Because the bar has been set so low these days. HopeAgain Aug 2018 #75

Using a racial slur against the citizens Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #79

I wouldn't piss on a copy of teen vogue Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #80

Relevant SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #86

Because Armymedic88 Aug 2018 #85

Garbage thread says more about the OP than McCain... VOX Aug 2018 #92

Okay SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #97

ANYONE who fights Trump and what he stands for... VOX Aug 2018 #104

And that's what you think this is all about? NanceGreggs Aug 2018 #107

I have read many reasons to respect this man . . . and have yet to read this one DrDan Aug 2018 #112

+1 bronxiteforever Aug 2018 #101

Merci. It's the least I could do. VOX Aug 2018 #127

Thanks for this. Spot on. Tipperary Aug 2018 #109

You got it. There will likely be more of these... VOX Aug 2018 #122

I'm confused. Are we worried about dividing Democrats shanny Aug 2018 #175

and McCain acknowledged those racist comments, and apologized. Doesn't exonerate it, but he did still_one Aug 2018 #94

+1 bronxiteforever Aug 2018 #102

Well stated. VOX Aug 2018 #115

For three specific reasons that dwarf yours grantcart Aug 2018 #100

I'll go ahead and remember him helping spread the justification for the Iraq War SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #103

Several Democrats voted for the war also, john657 Aug 2018 #136

Well, I am. shanny Aug 2018 #176

yes. cvoogt Aug 2018 #182

Huge... and unforgivable. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #184

Glad you posted this. Bet the op is not even aware of it. Tipperary Aug 2018 #110

You've got class, grantcart. Thank you for this thoughtful post. VOX Aug 2018 #118

Well said DesertRat Aug 2018 #174

No one is telling anyone to honor McCain. Sounds like you are trying to tell folks what not to do. Tipperary Aug 2018 #108

Agenda driven thread, perhaps ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #114

Hit the nail on the head. revmclaren Aug 2018 #120

Sowing discord. Dividing us against ourselves. VOX Aug 2018 #125

I'm talking about my dislike for McCain SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #196

YOU have chosen to not honor him. I have the right to do so. Claritie Pixie Aug 2018 #123

Because Sen. John McCain served his country honorably john657 Aug 2018 #124

Oy! Trash thread. onecaliberal Aug 2018 #128

I Do Not Want The Russell Building Renamed For Him erpowers Aug 2018 #134

he said he was wrong about that. meanwhile the building is currently named after a segregationist JI7 Aug 2018 #139

Change It to Someone Else erpowers Aug 2018 #145

not as many good ones as mccain JI7 Aug 2018 #146

Barack Obama? erpowers Aug 2018 #177

obama wasn't senator that long JI7 Aug 2018 #178

I suppose it is preferable to Skidmore Aug 2018 #140

Rename It After Someone Else erpowers Aug 2018 #144

I think this is a GREAT idea - keep his name in trump's view for the rest of his time in office DrDan Aug 2018 #191

Just how did you arrive at that TeenVogue link? What was your search term or did Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #135

I searched "John McCain" and it came up SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #197

Does Obama deserve the Scalia treatment ? does Hillary ? how about Ted Kennedy ? JI7 Aug 2018 #142

Because we fight for democracy, like he did. Nt BootinUp Aug 2018 #151

Are you aware of what he went through doc03 Aug 2018 #157

A couple of reasons. moriah Aug 2018 #161

To not honor him ornotna Aug 2018 #164

wow...I mean....just 'wow" Demonaut Aug 2018 #165

Because someone has to. jmowreader Aug 2018 #173

I thought this was a good pro / con article with the comments included. You may not but the lunasun Aug 2018 #181

Who is us? I don't allow DU to speak for me or hold opinions for me leftofcool Aug 2018 #185

Russian Politician on McCain: The Enemy is Dead !! stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #189

He just died treestar Aug 2018 #192

I expect that no one who dismisses McCain's 5 years of torture and imprisonment in 60s and 70s EffieBlack Aug 2018 #194

. melman Aug 2018 #211

You may celebrate, dance on a grave, ignore it and say nothing, etc. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #195

What absolute nonsense melman Aug 2018 #212

When you are standing with Trumpers condemning McCain, u may want to rethink your position Kaleva Aug 2018 #198

This is the same position that I had against McCain in 2008 SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #200

McCain died in 2008 also ? JI7 Aug 2018 #202

He ran against Obama... SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #203

he is running against Obama right now ? JI7 Aug 2018 #204

Just because you lose to my guy SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #205

Obama is giving him a free pass ? JI7 Aug 2018 #206

He's eulogizing him alongside W. Bush SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #207

You just don't get it do you? john657 Aug 2018 #235

For me, he's a mixed bag of mostly terrible Bettie Aug 2018 #199

It's really sad when "Better than Trump" is a "tongue-bath". moriah Aug 2018 #209

Hey, there was a time when Bettie Aug 2018 #229

McCain was a decent human being. IluvPitties Aug 2018 #210

I've moved on. Hopefully the O P will move on too. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #213

You called me agenda-driven in another post SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #214

Apologize for what ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #216

This post SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #217

What's wrong with it ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #218

Don't be passive aggressive SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #219

There is no such thing as stupid questions. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #220

Irrelevant SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #221

"Mancrush." DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #222

If you don't want to be accused of having a crush on McCain SpicyBoi Aug 2018 #232

Wow dude, john657 Aug 2018 #236

I'm not fawning on him. Just paying the customary respect to the dead. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #238

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #223

You joined just to air your superiority over us ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #225

Again with this. tymorial Aug 2018 #228

Let the guy die in peace. We're not Trump. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #230

Exactly tymorial Aug 2018 #239

In case you missed it, see yesterday's Democracy Now. elleng Aug 2018 #233

To me MFM008 Aug 2018 #234

And don't forget that McCain tried to saddle us with the dreadfully stupid BigDemVoter Aug 2018 #237