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Tom Rinaldo

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213. First off, non voters handed the election to Trump

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:46 AM

Aug 2018

Here's a thread about it. THAT is worth a Yikes!:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211062132

Second, there are always defections between parties between a primary and the General Election. Hillary Clinton primary voters in 2008 defected to the Republican Party twice as much as did Bernie Sanders primary voters in 2016.

And to those who say yeah, but that didn't cost Obama the election, that's like saying no one should be prosecuted for attempted murder if the attempt to murder is made but does not succeed. Those Clinton voters who voted against Obama in November of 2008 tried to elect McCain over Clinton. They didn't learn that they failed until after their votes were tallied.

There are always people who do not support the winner of a primary if their chosen candidate wasn't that winner.

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Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof [View all] WhiteTara Aug 2018 OP

Face it, the Green Party took enough votes in the states that mattered that would have shraby Aug 2018 #1

Hell no JackInGreen Aug 2018 #3

Why are some people still trying to expel Democrats who voted "wrong" in the 2016 primary? lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #222

Yes. Every Democrat running in those critical swing states lost to the incumbent, establishment, still_one Aug 2018 #10

Yikes Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #2

First off, non voters handed the election to Trump Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #213

Two of my nieces are among that 12%. lamp_shade Aug 2018 #4

How do they feel about that? joshcryer Aug 2018 #8

Neither has brought it up since. lamp_shade Aug 2018 #21

Wow, lampshade. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #32

There's so much wrong with them that it's hard to know where to start. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #82

Good, they should not be voting RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #247

I think if people had taken the time to check out both candidates LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #142

Yeah, if you watched one single roundtable she did. joshcryer Aug 2018 #144

I couldn't get over that. I heard so many speeches and discussions. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #214

Let's remember the context. "Grab them by their pussies" grantcart Aug 2018 #178

What they said and did does not make any sense. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #24

See my post #21 lamp_shade Aug 2018 #26

That's some deep brainwashing.. they sucked in Cha Aug 2018 #53

with a garnish of misogyny nt spooky3 Aug 2018 #80

Oh yeah.. the fucking brainwashers went at Hillary Full Bore and Cha Aug 2018 #83

Had dinner w a coworker yesterday who was like that onetexan Aug 2018 #187

Yeah, it's sickening and disheartening. Cha Aug 2018 #190

Yup!! And if bernie doesn't stay away from the 2020 race... the dye may very well be cast Thekaspervote Aug 2018 #165

Totally get your point...but to Julius Caesar Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2018 #254

Do they at least have any regrets?? InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #172

Thanks so much, we REALLY want and need to see more of this, elleng Aug 2018 #5

This has nothing to do with Bernie. Bernie endorsed the Democratic nominee. This has EVERYTHING to still_one Aug 2018 #12

You may be right, but the OP SAYS 'Bernie Sanders Helped Trump Win' elleng Aug 2018 #19

Actually it said "Bernie Sanders' voters", and no doubt that was used to create the typical sparing still_one Aug 2018 #25

DAMN quick! elleng Aug 2018 #28

+1 Agschmid Aug 2018 #61

That's the headline of the Newsweek story cited. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #185

Another view justie18 Aug 2018 #35

This lunamagica Aug 2018 #45

Exactly. How Cha Aug 2018 #57

This sheshe2 Aug 2018 #58

Whoa! Cha Aug 2018 #69

Yup. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #88

That poster who's claiming "false narrative" Cha Aug 2018 #95

Fact, Cha. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #104

Body language is a funny thing.. JHan Aug 2018 #209

False narrative. Agschmid Aug 2018 #62

Actually it's exactly what happened. Cha Aug 2018 #66

No, it's someone adding their own spin on it. Agschmid Aug 2018 #67

I know exactly what the post stated and I agree wholeheartedly. Cha Aug 2018 #79

I have read the entire thread and the articles Gothmog Aug 2018 #155

That means a Lot, Goth.. and You were at the Convention! Cha Aug 2018 #159

The convention was not a fun experience Gothmog Aug 2018 #197

Nothing false about it. It is what happened, in a nutshell lunamagica Aug 2018 #113

+Millions! Cha Aug 2018 #160

I have my personal bias, and was and am a strong Hillary supporter, however since the midterms are still_one Aug 2018 #86

So there's a GOOD time to divide Democrats? lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #223

That isn't what I said, but thank you for distorting and misrepresenting what I said. Democrats still_one Aug 2018 #231

The OP claims that Bernie voters helped Trump. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #238

Yes, and there were some Sander's voters who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee. The still_one Aug 2018 #241

We definitely agree more than disagree. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #243

And has continued to act that way. MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #193

I do believe this is the Moscow line.. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #198

I'd say it has everything to do with some of the voters that Bernie attracted and Hillary couldn't. shanny Aug 2018 #38

I Was One Of Those ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #195

I was too. shanny Aug 2018 #205

I honestly believe Hillary won Colorado mountain grammy Aug 2018 #199

I agree. shanny Aug 2018 #208

Thank you for pointing that out... not that Bernie will EVER get credit for ANYTHING from some here. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #230

This RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #248

More to the point, this is a year-old article, and got thoroughly debated back then... regnaD kciN Aug 2018 #161

I think the point is pretty clear. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #175

When you convince your followers that your opponent is not worthy Kahuna7 Aug 2018 #188

Someone here doesn't like Newsweek, albeit it's an old article. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2018 #6

From Bernie to Dotard? mcar Aug 2018 #7

Of course it had something to do with sexism Rural_Progressive Aug 2018 #40

The voters decided they wanted Hillary as the Democratic candidate, and she won by MILLIONS lunamagica Aug 2018 #47

"The Next Time Someone Tries to Tell You That Hillary.. Cha Aug 2018 #183

That is a great meme Gothmog Aug 2018 #250

I don't think I need point out to you.. JHan Aug 2018 #76

Excellent. dawg day Aug 2018 #134

Beautifully said, JHan! lunamagica Aug 2018 #138

I love you JHan. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #156

Spot on apcalc Aug 2018 #179

Brilliantly stated, JHan! Cha Aug 2018 #182

The 1932 platform is equally interesting lapucelle Aug 2018 #186

Thank you for that.. JHan Aug 2018 #203

"You Erased Her" Me. Aug 2018 #227

The person you're responding to didn't say she didn't deserve it. meadowlander Aug 2018 #233

It was a gender based argument. JHan Aug 2018 #239

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Aug 2018 #251

So We Should Just Nominate White Men Me. Aug 2018 #219

Was it racism when 28% of Clinton supporters voted for McCain? Major Nikon Aug 2018 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2018 #64

part of it, look at harriet christian. JI7 Aug 2018 #108

That rather important bit of context was oddly missing from the OP mythology Aug 2018 #141

Given recent history it's far less Major Nikon Aug 2018 #148

I don't think there's any proof that 28% radical noodle Aug 2018 #162

Neither is there any proof that 12% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump Major Nikon Aug 2018 #192

Perhaps not absolute proof but a good indication radical noodle Aug 2018 #211

There's also a good indication more Clinton supporters voted for McCain Major Nikon Aug 2018 #217

Oh, in many cases I think that was exactly the reason radical noodle Aug 2018 #255

That left a mark Omaha Steve Aug 2018 #244

I know.. that Racist Pervert!?? Cha Aug 2018 #103

My guess NewJeffCT Aug 2018 #220

That's a good theory mcar Aug 2018 #225

There you go. That's a bit tough to stomach, although it's more Hoyt Aug 2018 #9

Russia did interfere in certain ways, but there is no denying that this was a big factor still_one Aug 2018 #15

Yes, but don't believe they hacked votes. Further, anyone that believed Ruskie Hoyt Aug 2018 #16

They hacked into several state election systems, that's proven. I doubt they were... brush Aug 2018 #44

Didn't have to. 12%, or even 2%, discussed in OP accomplished Hoyt Aug 2018 #52

That makes no sense. brush Aug 2018 #72

Maybe you need to reread OP. Hoyt Aug 2018 #73

Maybe you need to explain your reasoning. brush Aug 2018 #89

If 2% of people who voted for Sanders voted for trump Hoyt Aug 2018 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Aug 2018 #77

Do you have evidence of hundreds of people being turned away from polls? Hoyt Aug 2018 #94

Here's the thing about "losing to trump" mountain grammy Aug 2018 #202

We know some Sanders people voted for trump or pouted and didn't vote in general election. We know Hoyt Aug 2018 #204

Yes, she was swiftboated for decades mountain grammy Aug 2018 #215

Well, numerous people here do know Sanders supporters who didn't vote for Clinton. And the OP says Hoyt Aug 2018 #216

and my argument back will always be mountain grammy Aug 2018 #221

There were some similarities between those two. Hard to deny. Hoyt Aug 2018 #226

I was part of a very active Bernie group mountain grammy Aug 2018 #240

Yes, the Russians Hacked the election systems and I don't Cha Aug 2018 #65

There's proof they got int registration systems. Maybe the reason Hoyt Aug 2018 #84

They were certainly up to something and most of it is still classified. See this link. LonePirate Aug 2018 #158

I agree it could have happened, but don't believe it is as easy as people think. Hoyt Aug 2018 #163

I believe they did hack votes Absolutely. apcalc Aug 2018 #180

Heck, I remember photos of stolen ballot boxes in the 1950s. Also remember claims of "I was robbed" Hoyt Aug 2018 #207

Not that unusual unc70 Aug 2018 #11

Bingo Quixote1818 Aug 2018 #13

It didn't cost Obama the election. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #14

Obama had positive approval ratings among registered voters. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #51

It doesn't State how many of the Clinton primary voters did not vote for Obama uponit7771 Aug 2018 #27

Actually it does. 25% Clinton primary voters for MCCain unc70 Aug 2018 #29

Well there's an inconvenient fact. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #43

No kiddin'... but, hey, why let that stop a good Bernie bashing. Awards night comin' up... InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #232

You're right, I read the OP wrong ... yeah ... sounds like a shit kicking post uponit7771 Aug 2018 #48

Exactly ZeroSomeBrains Aug 2018 #34

The author is a complete moron Major Nikon Aug 2018 #39

"25 percent of those who voted for Clinton in the Democratic primary ended up voting for..... George II Aug 2018 #63

Boom! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #81

I've always ignored the Whataboutism about 2008... JHan Aug 2018 #147

Its not whataboutism. Its that there was nothing at all about Sanders impact on this race JCanete Aug 2018 #176

Since this is not the first time your recollection of History is different to what happened... JHan Aug 2018 #194

I don't believe I ignore points you make JHan. I do disagree with your points, but I'm not sure that JCanete Aug 2018 #218

I'm not sure all those 2008 Clinton voters were really Clinton voters. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #97

From BS to the Racist Pervert?! You see the difference. Cha Aug 2018 #100

BS non-story posted by obsessives bitterly clinging to refighting a primary from 2 years ago! Bonheur Aug 2018 #181

"In 2008 25% of Clinton primary voters voted for McCain in the general election." pampango Aug 2018 #17

I bet most of that PUMA stuff was enemy driven as well. NightWatcher Aug 2018 #20

Some like to forget that shit Major Nikon Aug 2018 #41

I sure as hell don't. I vote for the Dem no matter what. Cha Aug 2018 #101

Which is why I despise them even more than I do Trump. They were supposedly smarter than him. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #18

Operative word "suppose" to be. Cha Aug 2018 #169

She makes my skin crawl. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2018 #242

PUMAs? moondust Aug 2018 #22

So Clinton got twice as much as Obama, hmmmmm. More proof Russians might been involved uponit7771 Aug 2018 #23

How many Bernie voters would have voted for Hillary safeinOhio Aug 2018 #30

Why would Hillary have Ever done that? Cha Aug 2018 #56

Gee I don't know because he received a huge sum of primary votes? Agschmid Aug 2018 #71

Hillary knew who she wanted and it wasn't BS. Cha Aug 2018 #74

And she's entitled to make a pick. Agschmid Aug 2018 #78

And, you have to lob a personal insult to try and make your point. Cha Aug 2018 #85

It's not a personal attack, it's a fact. Agschmid Aug 2018 #131

Yeah, keep digging. Cha Aug 2018 #145

i notice that also Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #224

The fact that you need to answer with a personal attack shows you have no argument lunamagica Aug 2018 #120

Actually my argument is that people are being intellectually dishonest. Agschmid Aug 2018 #132

It is not a fact. It is only your opinion. An opinion I strongly disagree with lunamagica Aug 2018 #137

I didn't ever say he would be a good pick, I said saying there were zero reasons to pick him... Agschmid Aug 2018 #139

Having a "following" sheshe2 Aug 2018 #149

Important points on why BS would not have made a Cha Aug 2018 #167

Exactly, Cha. Pick him because he had "a following" (even though most couldn't bother to vote) lunamagica Aug 2018 #170

It would have been a disaster. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #166

Mahalo, she.. Cha Aug 2018 #168

Hillary would have been President had she picked VP Sanders... without a doubt. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #173

Probably not that many more tbh. Agschmid Aug 2018 #70

Can we get beyond this please xxqqqzme Aug 2018 #31

It will never end. A zombie apocalypse wouldn't end it n/t leftstreet Aug 2018 #60

I am not allowed to talk about 2016, therefore, buckle up, gonna happen again Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #102

This happens in every after primary GE vote elmac Aug 2018 #33

THIS... thank you! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #228

the ones booing at the convention voted for Trump JI7 Aug 2018 #36

... Major Nikon Aug 2018 #37

.... Sugar Smack Aug 2018 #68

...... peekaloo Aug 2018 #91

I know a lot of people who did so. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2018 #46

those people are ok with Trump's bigotry JI7 Aug 2018 #49

Indifferent to it at the very least. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2018 #140

Yet another red-herring article to deflect from the fact that the election was STOLEN diva77 Aug 2018 #50

says more about them than us... samnsara Aug 2018 #54

These were interesting statistics a year ago. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #55

Most Bernie supporters voted for Hillary. wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #59

So how do we get Bernie/or third party voters on our side? backtoblue Aug 2018 #75

Agreed n/t JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #106

Thanks Joe backtoblue Aug 2018 #109

Failure in Nov is not an option. We need every vote we can JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #114

Amen! backtoblue Aug 2018 #116

Here we go: JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #118

Fight! Speak! Love! backtoblue Aug 2018 #121

Thanks for fighting. It takes tons of energy and thought. But it is the only way to win! JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #124

She became my hero in 2000 backtoblue Aug 2018 #127

Thanks for the reminder about Gore. JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #129

I just got another vote since talking to ya!!! backtoblue Aug 2018 #135

Great! JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #136

K&R Gothmog Aug 2018 #87

They were BoBs liberal N proud Aug 2018 #90

yep - Bernie bots were a rabid bunch, a lot switched to Jill in spite I think Baclava Aug 2018 #189

It as if they wanted trump to win liberal N proud Aug 2018 #246

I don't care what anyone says, we're not as smart as we think, we're still a trial and error species Baclava Aug 2018 #252

KnR sheshe2 Aug 2018 #92

2016 is over TheRealNorth Aug 2018 #93

Why wouldn't Bernie voters staying home out of spite count in these numbers? mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #171

Time to put it to rest and move on beachbum bob Aug 2018 #96

Of that I have zero doubt. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #98

An ole friend was wild about Bernie voted for Trump and still thinks he did the right thing because JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #105

not by appealing to their sexist conspiracies. they are ok with bigotry JI7 Aug 2018 #111

I would take a Dem vote from a bigot before I want him voting for a Rethug. JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #117

not if you need to become a bigot for their vote JI7 Aug 2018 #143

At this point in history, I don't care what any bigot might "want". As long as they vote for Dems. JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #150

they want democratic bigots so it does matter . they want to get rid of civil rights JI7 Aug 2018 #152

My father-in-law did the same thing... couldn't talk him out of it no matter how hard I tried. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #234

Those voters didn't give a shite about SCOTUS, Cha Aug 2018 #107

Yup, anti-Democrats! R B Garr Aug 2018 #119

They're even further away from the dream of "free stuff". oasis Aug 2018 #126

Good Point, oasis!.. Cha Aug 2018 #154

Attention DUers! Circular Firing Squad this way!! klook Aug 2018 #110

ATTENTION! THIS is About the GE in 2016. Cha Aug 2018 #112

Relative to recent elections, your conclusion is flawed CentralMass Aug 2018 #115

And about a equal percentage of Hillary supporters voted for McCain in 2008. Remember PUMA? Kaleva Aug 2018 #122

Dontchaknow?! No whataboutism allowed!! hahaha... seriously, excellent point! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #229

For the most part I don't blame Sanders. I refuse to take the blame off Comey, where it belongs. StevieM Aug 2018 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author StevieM Aug 2018 #125

Those bastards! egduj Aug 2018 #128

K&R musette_sf Aug 2018 #130

Let's really tackle this.. JHan Aug 2018 #133

.... ehrnst Aug 2018 #196

Many Bernie supporters were not Democrats to begin with. earthshine Aug 2018 #146

past is prologue, idiots vote emotions Demonaut Aug 2018 #151

Here is some on this topic Gothmog Aug 2018 #153

Damn.. and throw in those who got Sucked in by stein's LIES Cha Aug 2018 #157

Agreed Gothmog Aug 2018 #200

Well. I posted the WAPO's article that stated similar figures in post 115.. CentralMass Aug 2018 #164

Cool....study only available to political wire members. Quote from the article.... JCanete Aug 2018 #174

Hes going to try MFM008 Aug 2018 #177

Unfortunate thread Awsi Dooger Aug 2018 #184

Why is Hillary Clinton entitled to some other candidate's voters? TheFarseer Aug 2018 #191

I noted these were interesting stats. WhiteTara Aug 2018 #210

Stay in your hole... hahaha!! (Some good points.) InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #235

I think that is very possible. kentuck Aug 2018 #201

Lets worry about getting some of the 90+ million eligible voters who didn't bother to vote. jalan48 Aug 2018 #206

Ding! Ding! Ding!... We hava winner!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #236

Wow. Why has this never been posted before on DU?!? progressoid Aug 2018 #212

Gettin' old... specially when we need to be united goin' into the 2018 elections and beyond. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #237

See post 164. CentralMass Aug 2018 #253

So what? whopis01 Aug 2018 #245

The point is that many want to blame progressives for the loss ... earthshine Aug 2018 #249

Really, what we want is for this NOT to happen again. WhiteTara Aug 2018 #257

Blaming Bernie is blah, blah, blah. I said no such thing about democracy. earthshine Aug 2018 #258

Indictment: Russians also tried to help Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein presidential campaigns Gothmog Aug 2018 #256