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In reply to the discussion: They didn't go after the Jehovah's Witnesses or Amish - but ---- [View all]Ms. Toad
(38,824 posts)24. You might want to do some legal research.
They actually do go after Amish, Jehovah's Witnesses, Menonites, etc. for
following their faith when faith conflicts with nationalism.
Just a few examples:
Minersville_School_District_v._Gobitis - Supreme court ruling that Jehovah's Witnesses could be compelled to recite the pledge of allegiance in school, overuled by West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette.
Thousands of Jehovah's witnesses were arrested during World War II for seeking conscientious objector status. https://books.google.com/books?id=MG2KMqrlMOUC&pg=PA186#v=onepage&q&f=false
About half of the 70,000 men who applied for CO status got it, many of them Quakers, Brethren and Mennonites. Because Jehovah's Witnesses opposed WW2 but not all wars, draft boards routinely denied their requests. Of 16,000 men convicted of draft resistance during the war (and sentenced to a maximum of five years), 6,000 were rejected CO's, and 3/4 of those were Jehovah's Witnesses.
25,000 CO's were assigned to non-combat military duty, of which the most famous were medics. At first, frequently reviled in boot camp as cowards and shirkers, "Conchie" medics' status rose rapidly on the battlefield, when GIs realized their lives often depended on the unarmed medic, and his bravery under fire.
Nearly 12,000 CO's were assigned to "alternative service," especially Public Service Camps that had been funded with $7,000,000 from Pacifist churches and organizations. Working fifty unpaid hours a week on conservation, forestry and public health projects, some CO's found these camps to be virtual prisons, where military discipline prevailed. (The last of the CO's was released from the camps in 1947.) About 500 CO's volunteered for medical experiments, testing, among other things, cures for typhus and malaria.
25,000 CO's were assigned to non-combat military duty, of which the most famous were medics. At first, frequently reviled in boot camp as cowards and shirkers, "Conchie" medics' status rose rapidly on the battlefield, when GIs realized their lives often depended on the unarmed medic, and his bravery under fire.
Nearly 12,000 CO's were assigned to "alternative service," especially Public Service Camps that had been funded with $7,000,000 from Pacifist churches and organizations. Working fifty unpaid hours a week on conservation, forestry and public health projects, some CO's found these camps to be virtual prisons, where military discipline prevailed. (The last of the CO's was released from the camps in 1947.) About 500 CO's volunteered for medical experiments, testing, among other things, cures for typhus and malaria.
https://www.pbs.org/perilousfight/social/objectors/
Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District - white Quakers suspended from school for wearing black armbands.
The response is not the same, but it is disingenuous to suggest that members of the historial peace churches(and others who hold similar views on nationalism) have not been persecuted for exercising their first amendment rights.
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And ... Citizen Vain still doesn't know the words. Or how to color the flag. Or respect POWs. . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Aug 2018
#4
I was on a train when we got word that Kennedy had been shot. We were halted near a Amish community
olegramps
Aug 2018
#28
No. But I sure enjoy reading them. Wonderful companions. Never a murmur of rejection or censure.
olegramps
Aug 2018
#51
Yes, it was the early evening when we arrived at station and it was begining to snowing heavily.
olegramps
Aug 2018
#52
I believe the difference is largely the audience and money involved in football
Ms. Toad
Aug 2018
#37
This is how you honor the National Anthem? Wander about while it is playing?
keithbvadu2
Aug 2018
#30
I don't do the Pledge to a country that is perfectly willing to let my children
Stargazer99
Aug 2018
#49