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JCanete

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39. That clarification of how most of these supers got their power, that they were once elected to
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:38 PM
Aug 2018

office, is not in question. I'm not okay with a vote cast before my lifetime affecting whether or not my vote counts in the next election. I don't ever want my vote, along with 10,000 others, invalidated by one person's disagreement with the will of the democratic voters.

I have not once suggested that the 2016 election was decided by superdelegates and 2016 is not the reason I want this change.

Votes change their mind but they get to cast one vote. Unless we're going to have a second vote where voters reenter that process and then by virtue of their will allow superdelegates to vote differently than the will of democratic voters, then Superdelegates should not get to "change the mind" of the party.

I have no idea what you mean by they "can't flip it." Yes, they can theoretically flip the popular vote.

What does "their candidate doesn't do well" mean? At what point is that decided? Who decides it? The supers apparently?

There should simply be a condition in which if the leading candidate drops out the runner-up get the nomination. Then you dont' need supers to step in for that. I see no likelihood of a democratic Presidential candidate suddenly going crazy. I've seen the argument that supers are used for candidates like Edwards who become disgraced, but again, that should simply be a function of that candidate removing himself from the ticket and the replacement runner-up automatically being chosen.




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Is this a maguffin? nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #1
I'm a Hitchcock fan, yes. themaguffin Aug 2018 #8
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #2
My reasoning for opposing the change is we will have more boston bean Aug 2018 #3
Chardonnay? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #4
No, I wish. iPhone typing. boston bean Aug 2018 #5
Some people are confused by what party nomination processes are. Adrahil Aug 2018 #6
That's what I think, but it's been a losing argument for 50 years marylandblue Aug 2018 #7
Some people are confused about who the Party is or at least should be. JCanete Aug 2018 #12
Personally, I think it is democratic. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #35
what are you talking about? what case are you making? What is it about superdelegates you think JCanete Aug 2018 #9
The Congressional Black Caucus wants to keep them as a way to preserve pnwmom Aug 2018 #18
It ensures that they are given a voice just as they have in Congress LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #37
You are mistaken. Republicans do have superdelegates. Just not the same as we do it. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #36
That clarification of how most of these supers got their power, that they were once elected to JCanete Aug 2018 #39
And how would superdelegates have changed that? mythology Aug 2018 #10
Really? themaguffin Aug 2018 #11
It was a good question. Do you ahve an answer? JCanete Aug 2018 #13
Do you understand the purpose of the SDs? I really think that you should read about the context of themaguffin Aug 2018 #14
What is the context? Why don't you explain it. If you think that the supers should have JCanete Aug 2018 #15
I'm sorry, but I can't get any more basic. You are too dug in and not rational. Also it was Mondale themaguffin Aug 2018 #16
And you know who's going to lose 49 to 1 before it happens? And you know if JCanete Aug 2018 #20
I noted that it was because of TWO such losses in 12 years that resulted in the themaguffin Aug 2018 #22
Their solution was a nonsense though Kentonio Aug 2018 #27
You don't know if they will overrule the will of the primary voters. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #38
So if they're not going to try and interfere with the public vote Kentonio Aug 2018 #42
I misread your post -- it sounded like you were arguing against superdelegates. pnwmom Aug 2018 #17
Correct, in response to recent years, they made those changes themaguffin Aug 2018 #23
I've been told repeatedly that they've never made a difference in a primary... TCJ70 Aug 2018 #19
They were created in response to what happened in the 70s and the Reagan losses themaguffin Aug 2018 #24
Maybe I missed it. theaocp Aug 2018 #25
I'm fully aware of their origin TCJ70 Aug 2018 #32
I think that there is potential and additionally, I think that themaguffin Aug 2018 #34
It opens up more spots for party activists that otherwise would be taken LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #40
Hear Hear!! Cha Aug 2018 #21
The purpose is to avoid electing people like Trump Evergreen Emerald Aug 2018 #26
Good luck winning an election after telling the voters they can't have the candidate they voted for. Kentonio Aug 2018 #28
Or did they? Evergreen Emerald Aug 2018 #29
I don't understand your question. Kentonio Aug 2018 #30
I'm glad to see superdelegates' roles minimized. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #31
super delegates helped pick Mondale fishwax Aug 2018 #33
There's a lot of ignorance. JHan Aug 2018 #41
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