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LiberalFighter

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40. It opens up more spots for party activists that otherwise would be taken
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:41 PM
Aug 2018

by those now superdelegates.

It allows superdelegates to still be part of the process.

It serves as a safety measure if an event occurs requiring their vote. They are also the mediators if a situation needs to be resolved.



Democratic Party leaders say new rules adopted for this year's convention have fulfilled their purpose and created a more stable and predictable nominating process that favors mainstream candidates and policies.

This judgment was reinforced by a New York Times poll of the convention delegates that found that the new rules produced a group of ''superdelegates'' who were older, more experienced, more moderate and more loyal to the party than the delegates chosen by primaries and caucuses. (NYT, 7/15/84)


would restore to the convention flexibility and an ability to respond to changed circumstances. (CPN committee report, via NYT 3/27/82)


Party officials insisted that most members of Congress would not want to be delegates if they had to run for the job, and that the only way to bring them back into the process of nominating a candidate and writing a party platform was to reserve delegate seats for them. That was done in 1982 by a special commission headed by Gov. James Hunt of North Carolina. (NYT, 12/22/83)


"We're about the business of winning again,'' he said, in describing the objective of the commission, which is to present recommendations for action by the national committee early next year. (NYT, 9/25/81)


So, rather than to override the will of the electorate, superdelegates were created in some sense to enforce it in elections whose results were skewed by odd delegate allocations or weak multi-way fields that would allow a fringe candidate to win a plurality.



Gov. James B. Hunt Jr. of North Carolina, chairman of the commission formed last July to draw up the proposals that were adopted today, insisted that despite the changes the Democrats would remain ''the only major political party in the nation that is truly open.'' He said the changes were necessary if the Democrats were to be controlled by the interests of their party as a whole and not its factions. (NYT, 3/27/82)


There is not any sense that superdelegates have a mandate to express what is essentially their own personal preference for President; rather their duty is to look out for the best interests of the Party.





During the numerous discussions that have taken place on the subject of super delegates, the notion that super delegates can vote for whoever they wish is continually raised. Let me make the best counter-point to this argument as simple as possible:

DNC rules do not obligate super delegates to thwart the popular will of Democratic primary voters and caucus goers. Just as DNC rules allow for super delegates to thwart the popular will of Democratic primary voters and caucus goers, those same rules allow for super delegates to ratify the popular will of Democratic primary voters and caucus goers. Both are well within the rules. The decision is up to the super delegates.

The difference is that if super delegates decide to ratify the popular will of Democratic primary voters and caucus goers, then super delegates are upholding both the rules of the DNC and the principle of democracy. In other words, voting to thwart the popular will upholds our rules, but not our values, while voting to ratify the popular will upholds both our rules and our values.


Super delegates should uphold both our rules and our values by ratifying the popular will. That is as simple as I can make it. Source: Chris Bowers


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Is this a maguffin? nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #1
I'm a Hitchcock fan, yes. themaguffin Aug 2018 #8
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #2
My reasoning for opposing the change is we will have more boston bean Aug 2018 #3
Chardonnay? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #4
No, I wish. iPhone typing. boston bean Aug 2018 #5
Some people are confused by what party nomination processes are. Adrahil Aug 2018 #6
That's what I think, but it's been a losing argument for 50 years marylandblue Aug 2018 #7
Some people are confused about who the Party is or at least should be. JCanete Aug 2018 #12
Personally, I think it is democratic. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #35
what are you talking about? what case are you making? What is it about superdelegates you think JCanete Aug 2018 #9
The Congressional Black Caucus wants to keep them as a way to preserve pnwmom Aug 2018 #18
It ensures that they are given a voice just as they have in Congress LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #37
You are mistaken. Republicans do have superdelegates. Just not the same as we do it. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #36
That clarification of how most of these supers got their power, that they were once elected to JCanete Aug 2018 #39
And how would superdelegates have changed that? mythology Aug 2018 #10
Really? themaguffin Aug 2018 #11
It was a good question. Do you ahve an answer? JCanete Aug 2018 #13
Do you understand the purpose of the SDs? I really think that you should read about the context of themaguffin Aug 2018 #14
What is the context? Why don't you explain it. If you think that the supers should have JCanete Aug 2018 #15
I'm sorry, but I can't get any more basic. You are too dug in and not rational. Also it was Mondale themaguffin Aug 2018 #16
And you know who's going to lose 49 to 1 before it happens? And you know if JCanete Aug 2018 #20
I noted that it was because of TWO such losses in 12 years that resulted in the themaguffin Aug 2018 #22
Their solution was a nonsense though Kentonio Aug 2018 #27
You don't know if they will overrule the will of the primary voters. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #38
So if they're not going to try and interfere with the public vote Kentonio Aug 2018 #42
I misread your post -- it sounded like you were arguing against superdelegates. pnwmom Aug 2018 #17
Correct, in response to recent years, they made those changes themaguffin Aug 2018 #23
I've been told repeatedly that they've never made a difference in a primary... TCJ70 Aug 2018 #19
They were created in response to what happened in the 70s and the Reagan losses themaguffin Aug 2018 #24
Maybe I missed it. theaocp Aug 2018 #25
I'm fully aware of their origin TCJ70 Aug 2018 #32
I think that there is potential and additionally, I think that themaguffin Aug 2018 #34
It opens up more spots for party activists that otherwise would be taken LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #40
Hear Hear!! Cha Aug 2018 #21
The purpose is to avoid electing people like Trump Evergreen Emerald Aug 2018 #26
Good luck winning an election after telling the voters they can't have the candidate they voted for. Kentonio Aug 2018 #28
Or did they? Evergreen Emerald Aug 2018 #29
I don't understand your question. Kentonio Aug 2018 #30
I'm glad to see superdelegates' roles minimized. aikoaiko Aug 2018 #31
super delegates helped pick Mondale fishwax Aug 2018 #33
There's a lot of ignorance. JHan Aug 2018 #41
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