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H2O Man

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34. That's sad,
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 09:46 AM
Aug 2018

but not uncommon. The article provides some information that should give us all pause, yet it doesn't answer several important questions.

It is important to keep in mind that people suffering from mental illness are more likely to be the victims of violence, than to commit it. Indeed, only one serious and persistent mental illness has a noted comorbidity with violence, that being paranoid schizophrenia. Though the article provides some clues as to the young man's illness, it does not include what diagnoses he carried. Hence, one can only speculate, although it may be a semi-informed speculation.

More, laws differ from state to state on issues involving hospitalization and long-term institutionalization. Being from NYS, I can really only comment on the rules and regulations here. However, in no state is mental illness a crime; hence, what law enforcement and/or the courts can do is limited -- unless the person has committed a crime. It is limited to if that person poses an immediate risk of doing harm to him/herself or others. If so, that situation can be addressed by an involuntary hospitalization -- usually up to three days, but longer if that risk persists.

Once this fellow reached the age of 21, even if he remained financially dependent upon one or both parents, his status becomes that of any adult. Thus, the parents cannot command treatment, unless there is that immediate risk to self or others. Knowing that a person likely poses a long-term risk, as in this case, is not enough to result in hospitalization or institutionalization.

The truth is that there are people similar to this guy living in the towns and cities across our country. Most paranoid schizophrenics will not kill others. But they will often view those who attempt to lead them to treatment as part of the conspiracy against them. This brings us to the fact that this fellow appears to have been above normal intelligence (though disorganized per education). It makes it that much harder.

The solution would seem obvious: he should never have had access to a gun. Without that gun, this would never have happened.

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That poor family! redwitch Aug 2018 #1
+1 Anon-C Aug 2018 #27
They did everything except the one thing they should have Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #2
It's same old, same old. LisaL Aug 2018 #3
Because nobody used the tools in place Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #8
The same old story is blaming the parents. McCamy Taylor Aug 2018 #4
This is a shitty take. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2018 #5
I agree... the poster is reading a lot into the situation. demmiblue Aug 2018 #7
The police probably did Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #9
If GUNS weren't legal, the whole thing would not have happened. Stinky The Clown Aug 2018 #6
No, it would have happened. Maybe just differently Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #10
I don't think anyone is arguing the guy would be peaceful. kcr Aug 2018 #13
Your arguments, intended as serious, are weak Stinky The Clown Aug 2018 #15
Yeah, I know. I talk about viable solutions, you live in fantasy land Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #16
I like to point out the destructive selfishness of gun owners Stinky The Clown Aug 2018 #17
Ok, have fun never winning anything Calculating Aug 2018 #21
Who said he would be peaceful if guns were illegal? NCTraveler Aug 2018 #20
No one said that. Mariana Aug 2018 #35
It's so GREAT how you have "parenting" all figured out lostnfound Aug 2018 #31
That fucking simple n/t malaise Aug 2018 #14
You then believe one, and only one option was available to the parents? LanternWaste Aug 2018 #11
No, there were many options that were not mutually exclusive Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #12
My brother could have been that kid ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #18
There are few hospitals for anyone these days... Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #23
There was nothing that made this harder to check that was done Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #26
No, it's the guns. hunter Aug 2018 #25
Shouldn't the law enforcement and judicial system exboyfil Aug 2018 #28
It's harder for LE if the parents don't want it done Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #29
I wonder if they tried the new red flag laws to take away guns temporarily aikoaiko Aug 2018 #19
I had a dear friend in the same situation. If you think family money is the answer, think again... Hekate Aug 2018 #22
Remember the wealthy state Virginia Senator who's son stabbed or shot him forget which Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #24
Almost happened to Katherine Ross and Sam Elliot. bettyellen Aug 2018 #30
That is right...I forgot that. Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #32
Creigh Deeds mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #33
That's sad, H2O Man Aug 2018 #34
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