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ancianita

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80. Are you saying he's lying? That Dems don't vote for corporate interests? Don't take 1%'s money?

Wed Aug 29, 2018, 04:11 PM

Aug 2018

Do you have a facts and links for this?

Should I be insulted that you present no facts or links to back up this one-off "he-said" about an Independent who caucuses with the Party?

Do you think taking insult over a fact-based statement is appropriate?

Are you trying to start an in-house, conflict driven wedge using Bernie?

Do you speak for only the purist Democrats, yourself, or all of DU when you use the word "insult"?

How about the idea that any mostly true statement that you don't like about the establishment Democratic Party is more the truism of money in politics. If you take insult, are you insisting that the party can't help BUT take money from the 1%? That the party should take money from the 1%?

Or are you only saying it's an insult when it comes from Bernie.

Hear me.
I support those who support Democrats, whom I support 100%.
So does Bernie.

"Support" for anyone doesn't mean one has to agree with all that they say or do.

I support your inclination to take insult. That doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

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Interesting tweet from Ragnarok Lobster ‏(I think most of us here know who he is): [View all] George II Aug 2018 OP

Bernie stealing thunder? Cracklin Charlie Aug 2018 #1

Not at all. Nope. Bernie, who votes with Dems more than registered Dems do, supports our party ancianita Aug 2018 #20

Exactly! mountain grammy Aug 2018 #28

Are you suggesting that Gwen Graham didn't support our "party values"? brooklynite Aug 2018 #31

Are you suggesting that I'm suggesting that? What do you think. Be honest. ancianita Aug 2018 #32

You're applying "Party Values" as a motive for Sanders involving himself in a Party Primary... brooklynite Aug 2018 #33

Bernie says he caucuses with the Democrats, remember? That's campaign support. ancianita Aug 2018 #43

crickets..... mountain grammy Aug 2018 #60

Andrew Gillum gave credit to the Barack Obama Wing, The Hillary Clinton Wing and Cha Aug 2018 #72

Nobody here hinted that he is. He did well. Let's agree on the obvious. ancianita Aug 2018 #85

Good. Because AG is a Uniter Not a Divider. Cha Aug 2018 #90

He's not, and for people to divide here on the worth of someone like Bernie, who AG supports and ancianita Aug 2018 #94

Nah.. we're just putting the facts out there that AG Cha Aug 2018 #100

NAH? Who's "we," then. "Uniters" who wait for any pretext to jump on Bernie, eh? Don't drag "bro" ancianita Aug 2018 #110

I sure like Bernie better than Lieberman erlewyne Aug 2018 #34

Neither is a Democrat. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #61

+1000 LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #53

If BS votes so much with Dems.. why did he throw an insult Cha Aug 2018 #65

Are you saying he's lying? That Dems don't vote for corporate interests? Don't take 1%'s money? ancianita Aug 2018 #80

BS is WRONG.. The Democratic Party is NOT the Party of 1% and Cha Aug 2018 #83

So talk to Bernie, tell him not to overlook union support. One statement does not an enemy make. ancianita Aug 2018 #86

No, there was plenty of Pushback on Twitter over that wrongheaded Cha Aug 2018 #89

So why drag that over here. You serve no good purpose by doing so. ancianita Aug 2018 #96

BS needs to be held accountable for his Words. Words matter. Cha Aug 2018 #102

Nah. You need to be accountable for your words. Bernie may misstate, but he don't lie. ancianita Aug 2018 #107

No politician, especially a longtime career politician, is innocent of lying. ehrnst Aug 2018 #121

"Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference" emulatorloo Aug 2018 #140

If the 1% is doling out money, I'd prefer it go to Democrats. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #99

Reread. Cha does, not me. Dems take money from both workers and the 1%. Bernie & I know this. ancianita Aug 2018 #106

Sanders' biggest campaign contribution came from Alphabet, Inc. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #111

Re. Read. People here use a pretext for jumping on Bernie, even when a winning Dem uses him ancianita Aug 2018 #112

The "insult" isn't moot at all. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #113

We're cool then. ancianita Aug 2018 #118

Excellent description of the "insult", Oilem. Cha Aug 2018 #129

Pointing out facts is not "casting shade." ehrnst Aug 2018 #123

Are you implying, or saying outright, that Sanders doesn't take money from 1%-ers? George II Aug 2018 #146

You certainly don't sound like you support the Democratic party. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #122

Interesting, your first twelve sentences are questions (the 9th and 12th are sans "?" ) George II Aug 2018 #145

At his current income/net worth level, he's in the 1% himself. George II Aug 2018 #114

Oh, BS is in the "1%"? Funny he never mentions that when he's Cha Aug 2018 #125

The number changes from year to year. Two years ago it was high $200K, some estimates... George II Aug 2018 #130

Yep MyNameGoesHere Aug 2018 #68

A superb response. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #101

Well said. CentralMass Aug 2018 #154

He saw the wave coming so he hopped on. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #134

Bazinga! George II Aug 2018 #147

Do you have an example of him taking credit? Or just things other people not named... TCJ70 Aug 2018 #158

I love this tweet also Gothmog Aug 2018 #2

Exactly. Didn't Sanders lose FL? How much influence could he have there? And since when do lunamagica Aug 2018 #3

I know plenty, starting with the Killer Mike fans. ancianita Aug 2018 #44

That is an extremely strange response. nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #63

Seriously? To the statement, "since when do black voters care what Sanders say?" ? ancianita Aug 2018 #116

Killer Mike is not "the black vote," nor is he representative of "the black vote." ehrnst Aug 2018 #124

I didn't make either claim. I answered Lunamagica's question with a fact. You called it "strange." ancianita Aug 2018 #128

First, you are confusing posts from different people ehrnst Aug 2018 #138

First, you're probably right on the confusion. Last, I never claimed Gillum went to Bernie. ancianita Aug 2018 #168

Well, I see Bernie is trying some outreach with the fundraiser. ehrnst Aug 2018 #149

Maybe you should read this article LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #57

Well said! mountain grammy Aug 2018 #58

Sanders lost FL and lost the black vote. That is a fact lunamagica Aug 2018 #73

My response to you: mountain grammy Aug 2018 #76

That doesn't dispute what lunamagica said at all. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #126

I don't go by articles or polls. The only thing that matters are votes. Black voters lunamagica Aug 2018 #69

Between 2012 and 2016, black voter turnout fell 4.7 percent. progressoid Aug 2018 #136

The Voting Rights Act was "revised" (gutted) in 2013. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #155

No one has called it "A win for Sanders" LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #148

Black Voters came out in Full Force to vote for Andrew Gillum.. Cha Aug 2018 #67

On Twitter Not so much. Cha Aug 2018 #92

Bernie who? Blue_Adept Aug 2018 #4

Gillum won because he ran a great grassroots campaign mcar Aug 2018 #5

Exactly. He ran a fabulous campaign and worked very, very hard for this win. Native Aug 2018 #24

Great interview! mcar Aug 2018 #40

I never heard of him before today exboyfil Aug 2018 #27

Awesome tweet from Ragnarok Lobster. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #6

Not according to Gillum himself mountain grammy Aug 2018 #59

Of course Andrew thanked BS.. AG is a Uniter Not a Divider.. he also Cha Aug 2018 #71

What could he possibly know? QC Aug 2018 #87

... Maven Aug 2018 #7

Yeah workinclasszero Aug 2018 #11

Don't kid yourself. He very well knows Gillum supports Hillary.Your shade isn't what Bernie's about. ancianita Aug 2018 #19

Retweeted and LIKED!!! Mahalo, Maven! Cha Aug 2018 #74

Nice to see you Cha! Maven Aug 2018 #79

..... Maven Aug 2018 #8

Another tweet from Ragnarok Lobster Gothmog Aug 2018 #9

Boom. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #120

Confused ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #10

It's not confusing. Gillum is an inclusive politician who also acknowledged R B Garr Aug 2018 #12

Didn't Say Otherwise ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #25

Gillum most certainly didn't say that he did it ONLY because of him. George II Aug 2018 #15

Never Said He Did ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #23

And Lobster Ragnarok also said "SOME" (capitalization mine), not ALL. George II Aug 2018 #29

If you believe the one denies the other, that would explain your confusion. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #17

I Believe It Is You That Is Confused ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #22

Andrew is a smart politician who campaigned for Hillary and served as her delegate pnwmom Aug 2018 #135

It looks like Mr. Gillum... tonedevil Aug 2018 #13

No he's not. Please read his tweet again. George II Aug 2018 #14

Do you think I didn't read it? tonedevil Aug 2018 #16

Mayor Gillum didn't say that he won ONLY because of Sanders' support. I'm sure Mayor Gillum.... George II Aug 2018 #21

"Mayor Gillum didn't say that he won ONLY because of Sanders' support" melman Aug 2018 #49

Gillum was just being polite. progressoid Aug 2018 #26

Being trapped in the past can do bizarre things to people. n/t QC Aug 2018 #133

Thank you.. and thank you Andrew Gillum and Bernie Sanders mountain grammy Aug 2018 #36

Amen, sista. ancianita Aug 2018 #50

I retweeted this one because Gillum understands his role as leader is to keep us underthematrix Aug 2018 #54

I bet GOP released that tidbit thinking Hillary fans wouldn't vote for him. flying_wahini Aug 2018 #18

where do we see that African American voters in Florida didn't know Sanders endorsed him? fishwax Aug 2018 #30

Pretty sure I read that Gillum HIMSELF didn't know Sansers supported him. BamaRefugee Aug 2018 #35

you read that on DU? fishwax Aug 2018 #39

Hahaha progressoid Aug 2018 #48

...... mountain grammy Aug 2018 #62

FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS! LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #64

GODDAMMIT THAT'S PHOTOSHOPPED!!!!! QC Aug 2018 #119

Hahaha progressoid Aug 2018 #137

Anything to cause trouble and sow division.. right here on DU. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #37

it's a weird parade to rain on, for sure fishwax Aug 2018 #38

I know, right? mountain grammy Aug 2018 #42

Well said granny, watoos Aug 2018 #45

I get so sick of shade casting bullshit here. ancianita Aug 2018 #51

The Democrats I know in FL are all very well informed, Autumn Aug 2018 #127

Your first reference - a question: salin Aug 2018 #41

He's a very popular, outspoken progressive. Click on the tweet and you can read his feed. George II Aug 2018 #46

Thanks for the tip. salin Aug 2018 #47

lol melman Aug 2018 #52

One word: sarcasm. You have to get to know the guy. George II Aug 2018 #66

No it's not melman Aug 2018 #70

Whatevs George II Aug 2018 #77

No not whatevs. Those are vile tweets. melman Aug 2018 #78

Hey! It's you! ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #82

Yeah it's me melman Aug 2018 #84

Put them In context and I'll tell you. ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #88

Really melman Aug 2018 #91

I know. ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #93

Lame melman Aug 2018 #95

You asked for my opinion. I told you what to do to get it. ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #98

No melman Aug 2018 #104

Do you want my opinion or not? If you don't don't ask for it. ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #108

Not really melman Aug 2018 #132

Sure you are. ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #141

Oh, melman. betsuni Aug 2018 #151

So then you find those tweets acceptable? melman Aug 2018 #166

I've been asked the significance of the first gif in my signature. Any questions? George II Aug 2018 #105

Heh! ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #109

Wow. That's ugly Autumn Aug 2018 #139

And do YOU care about context? ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #142

I fail to see how those words should be acceptable to any woman Autumn Aug 2018 #144

I have been following this poster for a while Gothmog Aug 2018 #56

That sounds like a winning strategy: enough Bernie to make the bros happy Recursion Aug 2018 #55

Yup. ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #75

Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum rode a late surge of African-American voters to an upset victory in Cha Aug 2018 #81

From Joan Walsh Gothmog Aug 2018 #97

Mahalo, Goth! Love the way Joan puts this.. Cha Aug 2018 #103

I hope people will donate DIRECTLY to Gillum, and avoid... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #150

Yes, if people want to donate to Andrew Gillum Cha Aug 2018 #152

When you get a "middleman" involved, a large portion of the original donation NEVER arrives... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #153

It's disgusting as usual Cha Aug 2018 #156

There are many ways to profit from someone ELSE'S achievements... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #161

Who would do that? TexasTowelie Aug 2018 #160

Vultures. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #163

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #115

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?comview_post&forum1014&pid2146230 George II Aug 2018 #117

Independents are now about 43% of the voters. panader0 Aug 2018 #131

Some independents lean Republican. Some lean Democratic. emulatorloo Aug 2018 #143

Interesting time to stir up negativity. redgreenandblue Aug 2018 #157

Let's all get along MaryMagdaline Aug 2018 #159

From Lawrence O'Donnel Gothmog Aug 2018 #162

+1 George II Aug 2018 #164

That's a very uninformative tweet. Who are the "some"? Anyone we know? Who'd be knowledgable? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2018 #165

What would we know Ragnarok Lobster from? aikoaiko Aug 2018 #167