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In reply to the discussion: The H1B issue: Yes, American workers, YOU DO QUALIFY FOR THAT JOB. [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)45. Could you at least be consistent when trying to justify destroying my profession?
In all my years of work, I have yet to come across one visa petition that I either completed and/or signed that did not comply with the immigration laws in force, including prevailing wage attestations for H-1Bs.
Because as a paralegal, you are an expert in the job duties of software developers.
Also, employers never, ever lie about job duties. That's why they never have to add "and other duties as assigned" to every single job description.
Most are gobbled up by IT, but not all are. (...) In other words, engineers are not the great majority of H-1B recipients.
Pick one. Either most are gobbled up by IT, or engineers are not the majority. Or are you gonna claim that "great majority" requires something like 90%?
Moreover, using a source such as CounterPunch, which provides no back-up to its assertion that H-1B workers lower the wages for everyone else, is not beneficial.
Well, it should be trivial for you to demonstrate H1Bs haven't lowered wages. Just show how wages have gone up despite H1B workers. Oh wait....
Since there are 58,000 H-1Bs available per given year as opposed to millions of workers
BLS says 913,100
Wikipedia claims 1,350,505 with a much broader definition.
So 4-6% H-1B workers, if we use 58k H-1Bs for convenience.. Let's see...is our current 8% unemployment having an effect on wages that's different than the 2% unemployment during the Clinton boom? Yes. Well then maybe 4-6% of software developers can have an effect on wages.
it is actually rather expensive for employers to hire anyone in any visa category (H, L, E, O, etc.)
So employers bother with this much more expensive process instead of hiring or training a US person and don't receive any cost savings. Are you also selling bridges?
Training is quite cheap, especially with the tax benefits and the "you must keep working for us for X years" contracts when you can underpay the now-trained worker. So how strange that these companies are blowing large sums of money paying for visas......or maybe those of us in the industry might have a clue about what effects they're having on our industry.
If anything, the great majority of fraud comes from the L-1B visa
Sure, if you want to avoid having us look at H-1Bs. Since L1s require the the company already be an international company, and the worker must have worked with the foreign part of the company for a year before applying for the L1, and the L1 can only be used for 3 years instead of 6 years for an H-1B. But I'm sure those relevant details just slipped your mind.
The J visa is not an employment-based visa
Well then it's a good thing you decided to discuss it when trying to convince us H-1Bs don't affect employment.
(6) any resume received must be screened and if the applicant appears to meet the minimum qualifications for the job
Here's how the trick for this part works, since it's currently flooding my inbox.
The HR people go on sites like Monster.com, and offer the job to people who are looking for work in other areas. As in, you're looking for work in Los Angeles, and you get an email offering a job in New York. When you turn it down because you aren't interesting in moving across the country, you are used as proof that the employer can't find qualified US employees.
I get about 3-6 of these emails a week.
Lastly, as a legal immigrant myself, I'd like to point out that some posters say jobs should be for U.S. citizens only.
Yes, no one ever uses shorthand on discussion boards. They always make full and complete statements describing in exact legal detail what they believe.
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The video at the end is the end all to the H1 argument, these companies are taught NOT TO HIRE
uponit7771
Aug 2012
#3
There could be a number of factors for this including the Obama admin catching on to H1B visa issues
uponit7771
Aug 2012
#17
It has, and always will be about procuring cheap labor, laws are meant to be sidelined by the new
mother earth
Aug 2012
#6
There is NO shortage of qualified americans, only a corporate desire to pay less than market rates
on point
Aug 2012
#7
Prevailing wage is the one published by the DOL and freely available online
WilmywoodNCparalegal
Aug 2012
#25
Except that's not what's happening. Did you read the links in the OP and in the thread, btw?
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#36
Post #34 is further proof that H1Bs are underpaid. Do you have any counter-evidence?
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#54
Lots of inaccuracies about H-1Bs and a general misunderstanding of how the legal immigration process
WilmywoodNCparalegal
Aug 2012
#24
Could you at least be consistent when trying to justify destroying my profession?
jeff47
Aug 2012
#45
I would bet that master's or phd degrees in engineering are not needed for many of those "jobs".
L0oniX
Aug 2012
#30
The underpayment of H-1Bs is well-established fact, not rumor, anecdote or ideology.
antigop
Aug 2012
#34
Enough with the anti-American worker bigotry. Those jobs belong to us. Period. Dot. Stop.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#68
I'm pro-immigrant and therefore think that they should *be* American citizens.
joshcryer
Aug 2012
#72
They're being used as pools of cheap labor. You keep denying this. Why is that?
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#74
I want the American citizen Engineers who are out of work to get those jobs first. Period.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#78
As I said, ultranationalism. I want whoever is experienced to get whatever...
joshcryer
Aug 2012
#79
You lie once again. The problem is not incompetency, though you'd like to accuse Americans of that.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#85
It has everything to do with cheap labor. You are still wrong in accusing Americans of incompetence.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#91
Still no facts, just your hateful and ultra-biased opinions. Your argument is 100% FAIL.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#117
Right wing talking point? 91% of Democrats are on my side, not yours. Have a nice day!
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#73
We already have a GLUT of American engineers with ADVANCED DEGREES looking for work.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#77
Oooh, and now you're being racist, too. "Obama dance a jig"? Where did that BS come from?
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#86
No, it has nothing to do with "failure to educate our citizens". Zero. Zip. Nada.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#93
I repeated myself because your "facts" are in error. Your "evidence" is as clear as mud.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#96
Yup, I sure am saying their "facts" are half-truths. And they are half-truths.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#101
Zalatix, this thread is a monument to why labor is screwed in this country ....
SteveSmithCharlotte
Aug 2012
#123
I totally agree we need to talk more about the illegal immigration problem.
agent zero
Aug 2012
#130