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bitterross

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12. That would be a slightly better option. But not much.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:39 PM
Sep 2018

It is impossible to read the AA "Big Book" chapter to the agnostic and not conclude the program means the Christian God when it says "Higher Power." This is the program from which all others have been founded. The chapter is entitled "We Agnostics" but is probably only titled that instead of "We Atheists" because of society at the time. It was 1939 and Prohibition had only been recently repealed. Church was still a very, very ingrained part of everyday life. Claiming full-on atheism was really not acceptable.

In my experience, which entails years of attending meetings trying to find one that fits, many of the Twelve-Step meetings are overtly religious. There were many I attended that really turned me off because of their constant Jesus is my higher power and Jesus is what keeps me clean. No, your common sense decision to not mess up your life keeps you clean. That, along with having a meaningful life and prospects for a future. I can go on a lot about addiction and recovery. Twelve-step meetings have their place but they are not the be-all, end-all solution. See the Ted talks and books by Gabor Mate and read the books by Marc Lewis if you are interested.

Dahl must have gotten a better lawyer or his lawyer is taking this more seriously due to all the coverage. In the first article they seemed to double-down on it. Then I read an article where they explained the meetings were actually "activities" at a homeless shelter. While this sounds better, I know of almost no homeless shelter that isn't run by a religious organization. The only ones I know of require people to attend prayer meetings or engage in some sort of religious activity. So they're still forcing religious activity on employees. I have serious doubts these "activities" at the shelter are ones in which people can choose to be free from a specific religion.

This case is particularly interesting to me because we have a very strong recovery community in Oregon. There are Native American programs (NARA) that accept people like Coleman, who is of Native American ancestry. Their recovery programs are far, far different than the typical Twelve-Step based programs. He has every right not want to engage in the "White Man's" God. If I were Native American I'd be pretty damned opposed to the white man's religion even more so than I am as an atheist. Especially given our European conquering of this continent.

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Pay me overtime. Throck Sep 2018 #1
Was it in the employee handbook? oberliner Sep 2018 #2
No, he didn't. Also, you cannot make a contract for something illegal bitterross Sep 2018 #4
It wouldn't be illegal oberliner Sep 2018 #9
PROBLEM: "why they are a necessary aspect of the position." bitterross Sep 2018 #13
You are probably right oberliner Sep 2018 #15
Right wing talking points. Kingofalldems Sep 2018 #20
hw should sue for MILLIONS ..... BANKRUPT THE COMPANY trueblue2007 Sep 2018 #3
I get your ire about this. There are other considerations though. bitterross Sep 2018 #6
So instead of having bible study, why not have a 12 Step meeting, where people smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #10
That would be a slightly better option. But not much. bitterross Sep 2018 #12
I have some experience with this and I would agree with you. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #14
Fuck that jesus light shit. AA is as much a religion to some as church on sunday. X_Digger Sep 2018 #16
Sorry, I agree with you. I have left the program because of it. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #17
LOL - I see you've attended some of the same AA meetings I have. bitterross Sep 2018 #18
Not personally, but I've seen friends & family fall into it. X_Digger Sep 2018 #19
He may not be Pence, but he's ultimately directed by the Pences of the world kcr Sep 2018 #23
These Twelve-Step Christians are some of the most annoying. bitterross Sep 2018 #5
Jesus is just another drug. Horse with no Name Sep 2018 #7
Yep. I guess I did go on a lot but that's the point. bitterross Sep 2018 #8
That's what we say about a cousin dflprincess Sep 2018 #22
I don't think Dahl can hide behind the Colorado bakery decision here DFW Sep 2018 #11
Trying to think how a radical Supreme Court would decide this.. mountain grammy Sep 2018 #21
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