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lark

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3. What happened is what Russia planned.

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Mon Sep 3, 2018, 02:57 PM

Sep 2018

They used the electoral college against us and hacked the vote just enough to win in 3 states they weren't supposed to.

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Can we please stop with the "polls were wrong in 2016" narritive [View all] louis c Sep 2018 OP

The polls weren't the wrong thing in 2016... TCJ70 Sep 2018 #1

What happened is what Russia planned. lark Sep 2018 #3

Exactly. iluvtennis Sep 2018 #24

Nope. There is still absolutely zero evidence of any votes being changed mythology Sep 2018 #25

Usual Red Herring via strawman of "votes being changed" uponit7771 Sep 2018 #37

Ahem. garybeck Sep 2018 #48

There was some voter suppression and voter turnout plunged. CentralMass Sep 2018 #52

The MI vote counting got shut down. lark Sep 2018 #53

Thank you. Nt raccoon Sep 2018 #68

We need to get rid of that thing yuiyoshida Sep 2018 #19

Agreed. N/t TCJ70 Sep 2018 #35

Especially Since It Isn't Working As Intended ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #60

Correct. Pollster have to go with some assumptions underpants Sep 2018 #2

Maybe he 'won'. triron Sep 2018 #5

Baiman is a moron using a long ago discredited conspiracy theory that shouldn't be taken seriously mythology Sep 2018 #22

Thank you. paleotn Sep 2018 #61

Unavoidable biases in samples Amemenhab Sep 2018 #64

Close victories are the most suspect garybeck Sep 2018 #49

I believe the polls were correct and where there was some huge unexplained deviation and swing in # Pachamama Sep 2018 #4

Polls are only as good as people answering polls at140 Sep 2018 #6

As someone who has a very good understanding about polls and observed them being taken, I call BS on Pachamama Sep 2018 #33

I was never a pollster, but I watch cable news at140 Sep 2018 #43

"I was never a pollster, but I watch cable news" NCTraveler Sep 2018 #57

Not Buying That Point erpowers Sep 2018 #42

Preventing voters and exit polling are separate issues. at140 Sep 2018 #44

The polls were correct in 2016 grantcart Sep 2018 #7

I agree louis c Sep 2018 #8

Don't polls pretty much ignore people who have cell phones but no landline? tblue37 Sep 2018 #9

no. they are actually calling cells louis c Sep 2018 #11

I've been polled on my mobile number. Codeine Sep 2018 #47

She won election but antiquated Electoral College was stolen by R dirty tricks & T-Rus'n collusion. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #10

You're conflating election polls with favorability ratings brooklynite Sep 2018 #12

Polls are polls and louis c Sep 2018 #17

Didn't she get about 2.5 million more votes, but won California by about 3 million more? braddy Sep 2018 #13

HRC's popular vote margin: Nationally: 2.87 million more. California: 4.27 million more progree Sep 2018 #16

California has a different population than those states due to immigration replacement. braddy Sep 2018 #27

The margin of error should also be included in the discussion Bradshaw3 Sep 2018 #14

The other thing is all their nefarious effort and mischief could be focused on one person... deurbano Sep 2018 #15

Comey was manipulated by the NYFO bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #21

And I'm waiting for THAT investigation. deurbano Sep 2018 #26

The polls were correct. Hillary won. bitterross Sep 2018 #18

"older, first time voters without voting history" bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #20

I don't know about your local, businessman's election, but louis c Sep 2018 #29

Active Measures AlexSFCA Sep 2018 #23

I believe the polls were correct and the election was stolen. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2018 #28

So do I. k8conant Sep 2018 #30

+100000000 Pachamama Sep 2018 #34

Yes... Mike Nelson Sep 2018 #31

Too many people cherish state polls and ignore national polls Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #32

I agree with you. But I think a reverse dynamic is a play in 2018 louis c Sep 2018 #36

Reluctant Bush responders. Older first time voters, next it will be purple unicorns... lostnfound Sep 2018 #38

*** ALL STATES HRC LOST BY MOE WERE VOTER SUPPRESSION RED STATES*** uponit7771 Sep 2018 #39

Again I cite Dr. Ron Baiman's affadavit on 2016 exit polls. triron Sep 2018 #45

Favorability polls are far different than candidate polls. former9thward Sep 2018 #40

Again, let's go through this step by step louis c Sep 2018 #41

Can we stop talking about the 2016 election and focus on the one happening this year? Initech Sep 2018 #46

"Those who do not learn from History are doomed to repeat it" (NT) louis c Sep 2018 #50

the polls all came in within the margin of error in almost all the states beachbum bob Sep 2018 #51

Nordstrom may be a swell place to buy shoes, but the governor of Virginia is mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2018 #54

I believe the polls were correct, and his squeaked-out victory was due to the Bradley Effect Tarc Sep 2018 #55

No. Never in our history have 12 out of 13 polls been wrong. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #56

The polls didn't figure in the hacks RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #58

It's funny how we complain about the polls when we lose, but not when we win. progressoid Sep 2018 #59

A significant part of my job.... paleotn Sep 2018 #62

Yup. Advance polls and actual election are two different beasts. Amemenhab Sep 2018 #63

welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2018 #65

It was mostly Targeted Vote Suppression populistdriven Sep 2018 #66

Well, it's true the polls did not account for... Trueblue Texan Sep 2018 #67