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Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
48. That's a false dichotomy
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 07:38 AM
Sep 2018

You are framing it as if the only possible choices are to not address issue at all, or to do it only in this way.

That’s a dishonest argument intended to shut up anyone with an opposing view by claiming they must care more about the comfort of some privledged people more than addressing the issues. And presenting it as if those are the only two options.

The reality is, of course, much more complicated and has a wealth of other options

There are many ways to protest, and not all are effective. If you end up turning more people off to your message than you do gaining allies then your protests are not effective and, in fact, do more harm than good.

And, of course, we have your assumptions that everyone flying is “privileged” that is far, far from reality also. And your assumption that everyone affected by a shutdown are only the people flying, and not a whole host of other people as well. I imagine had they succeeded in shutting it down a lot of people working there like skycaps, wait staff, taxi drivers, etc who either work for tips or who get paid based on business volume would also be affected. I’m sure a Holdiay weekend like Labor Day is big for them as far as income, they choose to work over the holiday hoping for a good payday and it gets ruined by things like this.

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Glad I flew back yesterday. Freethinker65 Sep 2018 #1
It does get attention oberliner Sep 2018 #2
The plan is not to "shut down the airport." They want to shut down part of the Kennedy Expressway WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2018 #3
The leader of the protest literally says: "We will shut down O'Hare International Airport" oberliner Sep 2018 #4
*Drinks coffee* WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2018 #7
I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to communicate oberliner Sep 2018 #10
It's early morning. I drank my coffee and reread the entire piece, as well as the USA Today piece it WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2018 #12
Gotcha oberliner Sep 2018 #13
I will anticipate that this will fail ... jimlup Sep 2018 #5
It's already done more good oberliner Sep 2018 #6
More likely talking about what a poor idea it is. SharonClark Sep 2018 #9
What would have been more effective? Edit to add: I see I already asked you this question upthread oberliner Sep 2018 #44
We can hope jimlup Sep 2018 #35
How to make friends and influence people - NOT SharonClark Sep 2018 #8
What would be a more effective way to draw attention to these problems? oberliner Sep 2018 #11
You protest, but you don't do things that can potentially hurt other people, who need still_one Sep 2018 #30
Sort of like 'taking a knee" on an NFL field... bad idea, eh.. pangaia Sep 2018 #21
But, it's not really like that. Captain Stern Sep 2018 #29
Yes, let's piss off a lot of people. tavernier Sep 2018 #14
That's sort of the idea behind strikes and protests oberliner Sep 2018 #15
I'm surprised at the opposing views expressed here, but..... pangaia Sep 2018 #22
Perhaps it is because the action would not appear to be effective towards the goals they have stated MichMan Sep 2018 #24
You may very well be right.. but...maybe if you are right, that is one of the problems... pangaia Sep 2018 #26
What action should a family returning home to Los Angeles take with the Mayor of Chicago? brooklynite Sep 2018 #37
Especially if they were visiting family in Milwaukee and have no connection to Chicago whatsoever Pope George Ringo II Sep 2018 #39
Fight for the same causes in Los Angeles oberliner Sep 2018 #43
Does Los Anegels have a violence problem? brooklynite Sep 2018 #46
Anyone who says these protests do more harm than good are actually saying that inconvenience and WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2018 #16
Only privileged people fly? How do you define "privilege"? rainin Sep 2018 #18
That's a false dichotomy Lee-Lee Sep 2018 #48
How about service men and women trying to get back to their posts or bases? rainin Sep 2018 #17
I support this action The Liberal Lion Sep 2018 #19
You must have been giddy in 2008 MichMan Sep 2018 #23
This is in no way the same The Liberal Lion Sep 2018 #25
I do get surly when I am a handful of years from retiring..... MichMan Sep 2018 #27
Well, you've made your choice The Liberal Lion Sep 2018 #28
Who the hell is this going to affect on Labor Day? Working people traveling on a long weekend. tonyt53 Sep 2018 #20
Rahm Emanuel? Isn't he a Democrat? jalan48 Sep 2018 #31
Every mayor of Chicago has been a Democrat since 1931 oberliner Sep 2018 #32
So it's OK to call for the resignation of some Democrats? jalan48 Sep 2018 #33
If they are not happy with what he is doing, they have a right to protest oberliner Sep 2018 #34
Stupid strategy... brooklynite Sep 2018 #36
Who are the people determining the policy? oberliner Sep 2018 #42
You then have zero idea? LanternWaste Sep 2018 #49
As a frequent flier, I've got to label this one as counterproductive. Pope George Ringo II Sep 2018 #38
Well, THAT was exciting... brooklynite Sep 2018 #40
What was the lesson? oberliner Sep 2018 #41
If you're going to plan a demonstration don't make it a stupid one? Vinca Sep 2018 #47
I think O'hare got shut down by bad storms today. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2018 #45
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