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Hortensis

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136. Put that way: That would be Hillary for all good reasons.

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 08:07 AM

Sep 2018

Complete and total rejection of all that Trump stands for.

As for America not being ready for a female president, we did elect one in spite of massive new and old means of voter manipulation and election theft + Russia.

As for a woman and as for Hillary herself, people forget, but her approval ratings were very high as a U.S. senator and as secretary of state. That's in good part because other women came before her, and the usual hatemongering failed.

Well, in 2016 in a tragically real sense Americans did elect our first woman president. Our next female president will be the second one we elect and the first to take office.

I'd be very happy if that were Hillary. Age would be the big issue for me, not gender. She'd be very tough to match, and that election left us with unfinished business that we can address, not just move on from.

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The next Democratic nominee for president needs to be a woman. [View all] RDANGELO Sep 2018 OP

The last one was leftstreet Sep 2018 #1

Pretty much everything. thucythucy Sep 2018 #59

You sound sincere. Guess you don't remember what they did to Hillary. SharonClark Sep 2018 #2

I thnk a lot of people took a chance on Trump RDANGELO Sep 2018 #6

they attacked Hillary for 30 years Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #12

+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #106

They had attacked Hillary since the late 70's, unjustly, but they did. Blue_true Sep 2018 #75

Eliz Warren looks like shes up for it. Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #107

Yeah, if she wants to run, I would put her past Harris. Blue_true Sep 2018 #122

I stand with Elizabeth!! She's awesome!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #126

Michelle Obama? Maybe?.....nt global1 Sep 2018 #3

She's made it very clear on a number of occasions that she's not interested. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #5

Wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be amazing if she filed on the last possible day ecstatic Sep 2018 #124

As we have seen, POTUS is not an entry-level job for a politician. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #139

Why? FBaggins Sep 2018 #146

The next nominee needs to be someone who can win and be a good president. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #4

I agree that they should be a good candidate and someone who would make a good president, RDANGELO Sep 2018 #7

I'm not so sure any more. Not after the way Hillary was treated. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #9

needs to be tough as Hil Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #14

I agree with you 100% Velveteen Ocelot. Ohiogal Sep 2018 #29

I heard that same lame-ass crappy excuse, word-for-word, from my best friend. calimary Sep 2018 #55

+1000 Freethinker65 Sep 2018 #104

Myself, I think President Clinton should get what she won. The Presidency. Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #108

i hope History books have an asterisk by her name.. samnsara Sep 2018 #117

I still have her yard sign and I want to put it out so bad. Sometimes I cram it in the window Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #119

I agree. Unfortunately, I think that misogyny is in full force in this country these days. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #18

Thank you. You have just confirmed my suspicions that it was characterized wrong still_one Sep 2018 #20

Agreed. So true. democratisphere Sep 2018 #28

That's how I feel about it. Now is not the time to be pulling out the wish list. Chemisse Sep 2018 #44

Bingo! workinclasszero Sep 2018 #140

You are 100% right, Ocelot! IluvPitties Sep 2018 #142

Were you out of the country in 2016? oberliner Sep 2018 #8

The next nominee needs to be a PROGRESSIVE who can win MurrayDelph Sep 2018 #10

Well said. n/t. Scruffy1 Sep 2018 #11

No one said that being female was sufficient reason. The OP was saying pnwmom Sep 2018 #21

The OP in fact didn't mention any other factors, merely that the next candidate needed to be a woman mythology Sep 2018 #43

But obviously s/he was speaking in the context of the pool of spooky3 Sep 2018 #52

You are implying that there aren't any women just as qualified as the men. pnwmom Sep 2018 #68

Remember, Ms. Toad Sep 2018 #70

Excellent point MurrayDelph Sep 2018 #85

We really should be using gender identity or sex instead of gender. Garrett78 Sep 2018 #90

Fair enough. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #128

Thanks. elleng Sep 2018 #102

Yep, that's it! TomSlick Sep 2018 #113

I agree GOP/RWers will do things to the 2020 D nominee which make Franken look like child's play RockRaven Sep 2018 #13

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2018 #15

No theres no magic bullet. The gop is set to make everybodies life hell so what does it matter? Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #110

I'm really surprised by the replies in this thread. JHan Sep 2018 #16

Those dismissive of that reality ought to read the following articles: Garrett78 Sep 2018 #19

I love those links...and particularly this bit: JHan Sep 2018 #31

"What sort of person would get the interest of women in the surburbs, POC, and..." Garrett78 Sep 2018 #71

+++++++++ JHan Sep 2018 #87

Great observation, JHan. brer cat Sep 2018 #98

Put that way: That would be Hillary for all good reasons. Hortensis Sep 2018 #136

excellent points as always :) JHan Sep 2018 #137

If the best person is a woman, great, otherwise no. It is too OnDoutside Sep 2018 #17

I think the next Democratic nominee should be SkyDancer Sep 2018 #22

Exactly. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #23

Sounds like Bernie Sanders fits the bill oberliner Sep 2018 #39

Ro Khana SkyDancer Sep 2018 #46

Is he planning a presidential run? oberliner Sep 2018 #82

So Corporate donations are okay now? JHan Sep 2018 #88

Nope they aren't ok SkyDancer Sep 2018 #92

"no they aren't okay" . Interesting so... JHan Sep 2018 #132

Corporations aren't people SkyDancer Sep 2018 #134

Lol lol okay Skydancer you do you. JHan Sep 2018 #135

I will. Why do think.... SkyDancer Sep 2018 #143

..... JHan Sep 2018 #144

.... SkyDancer Sep 2018 #145

feel free to heed your own advice anytime.. JHan Sep 2018 #147

.... ehrnst Sep 2018 #149

Dark money - you mean like ehrnst Sep 2018 #138

complain about citizens united.. JHan Sep 2018 #148

Crickets...on OR taking dark money. ehrnst Sep 2018 #150

Harris, Klobuschar, Duckworth. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #76

Harris would be my top choice oberliner Sep 2018 #84

Not Kirsten Gillibrand? OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #100

She'd be a close second oberliner Sep 2018 #105

He sure does... run, Bernie, run!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #127

And if they don't support your entire wish list? dansolo Sep 2018 #50

And THAT my friend, will be the question that we will face in 2020. Blue_true Sep 2018 #79

Yes, and that question scares me. George II Sep 2018 #89

The real question is SkyDancer Sep 2018 #93

progressive plank (don't forget facing up to full implications of climate crisis) AND WIN! cloudythescribbler Sep 2018 #118

AND who voted AGAINST the Iraq War. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #129

I would vote with much enthusiasm for that ticket workinclasszero Sep 2018 #141

Not neccessarily. Captain Stern Sep 2018 #24

Agreed dem4decades Sep 2018 #35

That would be an excellent ticket. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #80

I can't make that kind of assessment JustAnotherGen Sep 2018 #25

This Cerulean Southpaw Sep 2018 #72

A Republican challenger running as an independent would guarantee a Dem POTUS. Garrett78 Sep 2018 #74

Agreed. A 2 Woman Ticket. rec, nt Mc Mike Sep 2018 #26

I don't think a woman could win. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2018 #27

I don't agree. Blue_true Sep 2018 #83

No longer voting for old white men.... apcalc Sep 2018 #30

What about Biden or Sanders? oberliner Sep 2018 #40

Here is what the odds makers say Kilgore Sep 2018 #32

Where's Avenatti? oberliner Sep 2018 #41

Stirring up shit, just what we need against the Orange menace. dem4decades Sep 2018 #96

I'd think he'd get better odds than Will Smith oberliner Sep 2018 #99

What's the definition for this number ? drray23 Sep 2018 #58

Lower number, better the chance of the outcome Kilgore Sep 2018 #69

No. former9thward Sep 2018 #97

Whats a decimal point between friends? Kilgore Sep 2018 #125

Focus on 2018 The River Sep 2018 #33

TAMMY DUCKWORTH! Squinch Sep 2018 #34

They are not ready treestar Sep 2018 #36

Exactly. The dislike was strongly rooted in sexism. Chemisse Sep 2018 #45

Yes, she was the first career woman FLOTUS treestar Sep 2018 #77

"Most of the voters" thucythucy Sep 2018 #57

But would Comey have done that to a male candidate? treestar Sep 2018 #73

Did the GOP find something on John Kerry? thucythucy Sep 2018 #94

I wonder that they didn't do anything to Obama treestar Sep 2018 #95

I prefer the best candidate regardless of gender ... left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #37

i would like at least a VP consideration... samnsara Sep 2018 #38

Is there a woman with tons of experience who you hope will toss her hat into the ring? oberliner Sep 2018 #42

I think a female VP would be a great way to ease into having the first woman president. Chemisse Sep 2018 #47

The last female VP candidate had a lot of misogyny thrown her way crazycatlady Sep 2018 #112

exactly.. we have to sneak a woman in..like veggies to kids.. samnsara Sep 2018 #115

LOL! We don't have to; it would just be easier. n/t Chemisse Sep 2018 #116

I agree mainstreetonce Sep 2018 #61

For giggles why not the best candidate? dembotoz Sep 2018 #48

Hillary, our last Democratic nominee for president was a woman. Autumn Sep 2018 #49

Excellent point! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #131

or not SoCalDem Sep 2018 #51

Harris-Kennedy sellitman Sep 2018 #53

The next Democratic presidential nominee needs to be able democratisphere Sep 2018 #54

No, we don't need a gender litmus test. It's not a coronation. We need a FIGHTER. LBM20 Sep 2018 #56

The next Democratic nominee needs to be a DEMOCRAT!! maxrandb Sep 2018 #60

The next Democratic nominee for president needs to be a Democrat...nt SidDithers Sep 2018 #62

OH NO! The Republicans will say things!?!? TCJ70 Sep 2018 #63

The next Democratic nominee for president needs to be... Wounded Bear Sep 2018 #64

No. Nominate the best PERSON. No purity/litmus tests. Very bad idea. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #65

Disagree totally. Whether if it's a woman or a man as long as we can beachbum bob Sep 2018 #66

It "needs" to be someone that can save our democracy. kentuck Sep 2018 #67

Need to survive midterms first.... Heartstrings Sep 2018 #78

I don't know about that. lark Sep 2018 #81

It doesn't matter who is nominated, as long as Russia keeps interfering lunamagica Sep 2018 #86

the next nominee needs to be intelligent, witty, on top of facts, and unabashedly liberal PERIOD Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #91

I think it would be a mistake Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #101

I get it that people need to be qualified, but, after don trum...the right wing has ZERO Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #111

The next nominee needs to be the best candidate, whether male or female. highplainsdem Sep 2018 #103

We need a progressive candidate that can beat Trump ..what ever gender. YOHABLO Sep 2018 #109

Don't care Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #114

The next democratic nominee for president madaboutharry Sep 2018 #120

The next Democratic nominee needs to be a Democrat tirebiter Sep 2018 #121

As a fan of Kamala Harris I disagree with the post lovemydogs Sep 2018 #123

Yes, republicans never make up scandals if it's a woman Renew Deal Sep 2018 #130

NO, it needs to be the best PERSON Raine Sep 2018 #133

The next Democratic nominee for president needs to be PDittie Sep 2018 #151