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In reply to the discussion: Can we please stop with the "polls were wrong in 2016" narritive [View all]CentralMass
(16,985 posts)52. There was some voter suppression and voter turnout plunged.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/10/why-did-trump-win-in-part-because-voter-turnout-plunged/?utm_term=.b1a982733f34
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While Trump managed to gain an electoral college victory, not only did he get fewer votes than Hillary Clinton a fact that, remarkably, seems to merit nothing more than a footnote in almost every discussion of the election he got fewer votes than Mitt Romney in 2012, fewer votes than John McCain in 2008, and fewer votes than George W. Bush in 2004. In total, fewer than 26 percent of eligible American voters cast their ballots for the man who will occupy the Oval Office come January."
"Whats also important here is how poorly Hillary Clinton did. She got 6 million fewer votes than Barack Obama did in 2012, and nearly 10 million fewer than he did in 2008:"
"Third, this was the first presidential election since conservatives on the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, which allowed Republican-controlled states to pass a series of measures meant to suppress the votes of those who were likely to vote Democratic, particularly African Americans, Latinos and college students. In some of those states on which Trump built his victories, Republican-designed voter suppression laws, including ID mandates, limits on early voting and a reduction in polling locations, seem to have had their intended effect. As Ari Berman noted:
27,000 votes currently separate Trump and Clinton in Wisconsin, where 300,000 registered voters, according to a federal court, lacked strict forms of voter ID. Voter turnout in Wisconsin was at its lowest levels in 20 years and decreased 13 percent in Milwaukee, where 70 percent of the states African-American population lives.:"
If Iremember from another article the final numbers show voter turnout in WI was down 19% (17% in Milwaukie).
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While Trump managed to gain an electoral college victory, not only did he get fewer votes than Hillary Clinton a fact that, remarkably, seems to merit nothing more than a footnote in almost every discussion of the election he got fewer votes than Mitt Romney in 2012, fewer votes than John McCain in 2008, and fewer votes than George W. Bush in 2004. In total, fewer than 26 percent of eligible American voters cast their ballots for the man who will occupy the Oval Office come January."
"Whats also important here is how poorly Hillary Clinton did. She got 6 million fewer votes than Barack Obama did in 2012, and nearly 10 million fewer than he did in 2008:"
"Third, this was the first presidential election since conservatives on the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, which allowed Republican-controlled states to pass a series of measures meant to suppress the votes of those who were likely to vote Democratic, particularly African Americans, Latinos and college students. In some of those states on which Trump built his victories, Republican-designed voter suppression laws, including ID mandates, limits on early voting and a reduction in polling locations, seem to have had their intended effect. As Ari Berman noted:
27,000 votes currently separate Trump and Clinton in Wisconsin, where 300,000 registered voters, according to a federal court, lacked strict forms of voter ID. Voter turnout in Wisconsin was at its lowest levels in 20 years and decreased 13 percent in Milwaukee, where 70 percent of the states African-American population lives.:"
If Iremember from another article the final numbers show voter turnout in WI was down 19% (17% in Milwaukie).
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Baiman is a moron using a long ago discredited conspiracy theory that shouldn't be taken seriously
mythology
Sep 2018
#22
I believe the polls were correct and where there was some huge unexplained deviation and swing in #
Pachamama
Sep 2018
#4
As someone who has a very good understanding about polls and observed them being taken, I call BS on
Pachamama
Sep 2018
#33
She won election but antiquated Electoral College was stolen by R dirty tricks & T-Rus'n collusion.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2018
#10
Didn't she get about 2.5 million more votes, but won California by about 3 million more?
braddy
Sep 2018
#13
HRC's popular vote margin: Nationally: 2.87 million more. California: 4.27 million more
progree
Sep 2018
#16
California has a different population than those states due to immigration replacement.
braddy
Sep 2018
#27
The other thing is all their nefarious effort and mischief could be focused on one person...
deurbano
Sep 2018
#15
Reluctant Bush responders. Older first time voters, next it will be purple unicorns...
lostnfound
Sep 2018
#38
Can we stop talking about the 2016 election and focus on the one happening this year?
Initech
Sep 2018
#46
Nordstrom may be a swell place to buy shoes, but the governor of Virginia is
mahatmakanejeeves
Sep 2018
#54
I believe the polls were correct, and his squeaked-out victory was due to the Bradley Effect
Tarc
Sep 2018
#55
It's funny how we complain about the polls when we lose, but not when we win.
progressoid
Sep 2018
#59