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Proud Liberal Dem

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83. Organizing caucus voters to vote "uncommitted" on Obama

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:05 PM

Jan 2012

particularly since the things that they claim to want are not going to happen without an act of Congress, is, frankly, unproductive, particularly when they could be instead, oh, I don't know, registering new Democratic voters, finding progressive candidates to run for office, etc, lobbying office-holders. They have the freedom to express their disapproval of President Obama, sure, but, in the end, what's that going to DO for their causes? Even if he were to swear an oath to do what they want him to do as a result, it won't matter without an able and willing Congress to help enact such things, so, in the end, what will actually be accomplished? If Obama is ignoring progressives as some here (and elsewhere) like to claim, it's going to be whole lot harder for him to ignore if there's a lot more of them in Congress, right?

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Progressives Plan To Challenge Obama In Iowa - RawStory [View all] WillyT Jan 2012 OP

Don Quixote understands this 'strategy' Cirque du So-What Jan 2012 #1

+1 HuckleB Jan 2012 #111

If they want those things Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #2

+1000 -- Getting Progressives elected to Congress is Job 1 for 2012 LongTomH Jan 2012 #7

I agree Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #17

Exactly. nt cstanleytech Jan 2012 #49

Yes Yes Yes YES! jonthebru Jan 2012 #59

+1000 deacon Jan 2012 #72

So IYO Liberals are incapable of both criticizing Obama and voting for Progressive Candidates Bandit Jan 2012 #81

Organizing caucus voters to vote "uncommitted" on Obama Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #83

Did I miss it when the president "promised single payer"? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #87

If you missed it Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #99

"Of course, as we know, conservatives are just big fat liars (hypocrites)." Agreed. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #104

I agree Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #110

Oh... He Didn't Promise... He "Advocated"... WillyT Jan 2012 #100

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jan 2012 #3

k & r girl gone mad Jan 2012 #4

What is 'progressive' about threatening to knee cap the Democratic Party/President?? Siwsan Jan 2012 #5

Nothing at all IMHO Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #8

If we had a 'progressive' Democratic Party/President. RC Jan 2012 #36

"There's Not a dime's Worth Of Difference Between..." pnorman Jan 2012 #41

You are not taking back control of anything without electing progressive legislators. ncteechur Jan 2012 #98

And Presidents. RC Jan 2012 #108

Stop me ProSense Jan 2012 #6

Oh, just some ignorant dumbass. DevonRex Jan 2012 #9

Check post number 64 for your ignorant dumbass. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #65

Was that supposed to prove your point? "Senate" Candidate Obama agreed with the premise... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #88

Did you read post number 64? You only need to read the header. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #90

You need to re-read the o.p. which clearly states that Pres. Obama "promised single payer". Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #96

I don't know how to make this any plainer, the first five words in my header are below. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #101

You directed DevonRex to post #64. WTF was the point of that? You didn't answer the..... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #103

Let's try again one more time. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #109

Ah, I see. You don't lie, you just mislead. "Flip-Flop"? Nice try, but no cigar. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #112

Not trying to imply he broke a promise. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #114

Yeah, I sure would like a link to where Obama promised single payer MH1 Jan 2012 #32

He DID promise the public option before he backed away from it. RC Jan 2012 #37

Any president can make promises though RC cstanleytech Jan 2012 #51

President Obama didn't promise it, but senate candidate Obama said he was a proponent for it. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #64

Massive difference between promising something and advocating something. joshcryer Jan 2012 #75

Some might say he was for it before he was against it. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #91

I'd say he was against it. joshcryer Jan 2012 #92

the only way this will do something positive RainDog Jan 2012 #10

Right Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #13

I love the prescription for Obama's ails are the same as dealing with Bush or Reagan or Nixon. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #28

What's your prescription then? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #45

Blowing smoke is a heckuvalot easier MH1 Jan 2012 #33

How sad that theaocp Jan 2012 #11

Obama's advice to "hold his feet to the fire" does NOT mean lying about his positions and jenmito Jan 2012 #38

Uncommitted means just that, so please stop with the hyperbole. theaocp Jan 2012 #42

No hyperbole: jenmito Jan 2012 #52

I read that as saying not voting for him in the caucus. theaocp Jan 2012 #57

They're separate things. They said they're not voting for Obama and they're also not telling jenmito Jan 2012 #67

I got my calendars mixed, so TOMORROW is the General Election? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #70

Nope, he campaigned on tax cuts. joshcryer Jan 2012 #76

All of the things listed as reasons they're not voting for Obama he either didn't run on or did jenmito Jan 2012 #12

How is 16 or even 18 months almost exactly three years? Seems more like exactly double (or more TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #15

He said he'd have all COMBAT troops out in 16 or 18 months, and he did. n/t jenmito Jan 2012 #22

Hm, you think he read SOFA? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #48

Hm, what's your point? jenmito Jan 2012 #54

The occupation ended because Iraq in the end forced a withdrawal. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #73

You don't think Obama knew that when he made that campaign pledge? joshcryer Jan 2012 #77

Yes I do. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #80

Yes, he was "being responsible." Trying to put training on SOFA. It was scrubbed. joshcryer Jan 2012 #89

Isn't it interesting ProSense Jan 2012 #18

Yup... jenmito Jan 2012 #25

He ran on change zipplewrath Jan 2012 #43

Why, that's not change Charlemagne Jan 2012 #69

It is what it is zipplewrath Jan 2012 #71

No, they were the ones that stayed home in 2010. "They're ALL the same!" Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #56

Actually, it took him 16 months longer than what he promised and in the end... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #53

Take it up with PolitiFact which rated it, "Promise Kept": jenmito Jan 2012 #58

Would this be the same source you are referring to? ejbr Jan 2012 #93

elect a democratic congress or you are pissing in the wind. spanone Jan 2012 #14

Exactly! Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #19

You are pissing in the wind in any event but it is a fair harm mitigation tactic, for now. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #20

if i vote for the President....it COUNTS. spanone Jan 2012 #35

I'm glad your state isn't controlled by Republicorp unverifiable robovoting. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #79

+100000 woo me with science Jan 2012 #78

Exactly n/t Spazito Jan 2012 #21

+1 AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #40

+10000 Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #97

I'm angry at Obama for not doing things that he didn't promise!!!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #16

Obama bad Obama bad Obama bad treestar Jan 2012 #29

I wonder if they'll buy NOBAMA bumper stickers like my Tea Party JoePhilly Jan 2012 #34

Try making CONGRESS more Progressive, geniuses. CakeGrrl Jan 2012 #23

When did Obama promise single payer? maximusveritas Jan 2012 #24

How dare they "work within the system" as the moderates claim they want them to? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #26

That's winning strategery, for sure!... SidDithers Jan 2012 #27

Depends on their goal, it could be as simple as not wishing and unrepentent rubberstamp TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #39

I see this has gotten the expected reactions nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #30

Yeah, I have to wonder why it keeps working, though? boppers Jan 2012 #61

Yup, some humans are nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #66

Good for them - Obama needs a primary challenger slay Jan 2012 #31

Purist hogwash. Find the planet. This is LeftwingTeaParty talk. RBInMaine Jan 2012 #63

Then alert on it slay Jan 2012 #85

Nice start! Go Democratic primary process! Go progressive! K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #44

The president should be complete uncompromising! killbotfactory Jan 2012 #46

A vote for Obama is a vote for Geithner and Bernanke Marnie Jan 2012 #47

Good Lawd - he didn't campaign on single payer, he got the troops out of Iraq (not fast enough? That Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #50

Absurd nt TNProfessor Jan 2012 #55

Kick !!! WillyT Jan 2012 #60

More purist nonsense. Single payer COULD NOT PASS. Just what brain disease do these fools have? RBInMaine Jan 2012 #62

It's The Disease Known As Being/And Believing, What It Means To Be An American.. WillyT Jan 2012 #68

Do you know how to say anything other than "purist nonsense" - and why do you never respond slay Jan 2012 #86

SMH(shaking my head) 1stlady Jan 2012 #74

Wtf? HappyMe Jan 2012 #82

The Dems need to be challenged as vigorously as the GOPers -- Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #84

k & r !! n/t ejbr Jan 2012 #94

they are simply making a statement G_j Jan 2012 #95

hahahaha I like how they have to say "he took to long on Iraq" now MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #102

Well Not Quite... Because Of Bradley Manning's Leaks... WillyT Jan 2012 #105

Manning also made the sun come up this morning. Robb Jan 2012 #107

The only thing Manning's leaks did is get him put in prison. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #113

K&R n/t unionworks Jan 2012 #106