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74. That still doesn't mean he/she can take control

Thu Sep 6, 2018, 08:10 PM

Sep 2018

Under the rule of law, this should not be possible. It does seem like there are people who argue both our positions.

What a crazy week.

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someone on cnbc saying "the resistance" is unconstitutional. [View all] unblock Sep 2018 OP

Would Need One Of Our Lawyers To Chime In, But. . . ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #1

agreed, this is why i hedged on that part. but "unconstitutional" is just plain wrong. unblock Sep 2018 #2

It at least plunges us into a Constitutional crisis djg21 Sep 2018 #39

it's not the actions of the staff that are the constitutional issue unblock Sep 2018 #42

Our constitution addresses the situation where a president is "unable" to discharge the duties onenote Sep 2018 #44

I think it's more complicated than this caraher Sep 2018 #77

In context they mean the same thing. djg21 Sep 2018 #79

As usual the answer is the same treestar Sep 2018 #67

Since when is acting to prevent a illegal and unConstitutional act ... marble falls Sep 2018 #3

Consider Gary Cohn swiping the letter on cancelling South Korea trade agreement... brooklynite Sep 2018 #56

Actually, running a shadow government might be unConstitutional still_one Sep 2018 #4

So the Deep State is real and is alive in WH ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #5

I am just repeating what the author of the OP-ED essentially admitted to still_one Sep 2018 #7

Not repeating, interpreting and then paraphrasing. LanternWaste Sep 2018 #28

No, because these are his own appointees marylandblue Sep 2018 #11

We don't actually know who they are. Here is an interesting take on our speculations still_one Sep 2018 #32

Usually a "Sr. Administration Official" usually means cabinet-level appointee marylandblue Sep 2018 #40

Sure, but we still really don't know still_one Sep 2018 #41

Yes but we know from Woodward's book that Mattis and Cohn did the same thing marylandblue Sep 2018 #46

That is true, and because of Woodward's book it leads credibility to the OP ED still_one Sep 2018 #52

could be his family scarytomcat Sep 2018 #53

I'll state that more clearly ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #45

No doubt Trump and the deplorables already think that marylandblue Sep 2018 #47

But it is of his own making. That's the big difference ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #60

It Might Even Be Considered A Coup Me. Sep 2018 #6

or close to it. still_one Sep 2018 #10

... Me. Sep 2018 #12

it's not a coup. it's just people not doing what the president wants. unblock Sep 2018 #15

If the "president " wasn't so lazy central scrutinizer Sep 2018 #21

If He Doesn't Know He Is Being Blocked Or Who The People Are? Me. Sep 2018 #54

a good manager has a staff and organization that makes such things incredibly difficult unblock Sep 2018 #57

Who Says He Has A Good Manager? Me. Sep 2018 #62

of course he's obviously an incompetent manager. unblock Sep 2018 #66

Agreed Me. Sep 2018 #68

Once the mutiny has occurred Generic Other Sep 2018 #16

poor alexander haig, so misunderstood. unblock Sep 2018 #30

I wonder how many remember that. still_one Sep 2018 #34

It's like the eunuchs in the Empress of China's palace Generic Other Sep 2018 #49

I Don't Think We're Talking Power Grab Me. Sep 2018 #58

without definining exactly what is meant by "shadow government", i can't say much. unblock Sep 2018 #9

As I understand it the author of the OP-ED is saying they are "modererating, modifying, and blocking still_one Sep 2018 #18

without hearing specifics, this seems perfectly legal. unblock Sep 2018 #20

No disobeying an order is not a crime for a civilian employee marylandblue Sep 2018 #8

At least according accounts it seems a little more than disobeying an order still_one Sep 2018 #19

I tend to agree it is unconstitutional genxlib Sep 2018 #13

no they are operating as a staff. unblock Sep 2018 #17

I see your point genxlib Sep 2018 #26

i agree it's something different, but if doesn't rise to the level of coup or mutiny or whatever. unblock Sep 2018 #33

Here is a thought experiment genxlib Sep 2018 #51

the key difference there is the secrecy unblock Sep 2018 #55

I've seen such things happen all the time marylandblue Sep 2018 #38

Imagining worst case scenarios Generic Other Sep 2018 #22

Which clause of the constitution is violated? Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #29

If they believe he's incapacitated Generic Other Sep 2018 #50

There is no constitutional requirement to invoke the 25th Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #61

Isn't that what Anonymous told us? Generic Other Sep 2018 #64

It doesn't set anything in motion constitutionally. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #65

So we ignore a clear danger? Generic Other Sep 2018 #72

That's a different issue. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #73

That still doesn't mean he/she can take control Generic Other Sep 2018 #74

Somebody needs to review the Nuremberg trials Cirque du So-What Sep 2018 #14

Sedition could be argued. nt B2G Sep 2018 #23

Sedition is against a country not a person. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #27

All Banana Republics have shadow governments who pull the strings on their puppets. procon Sep 2018 #24

Some are saying that right here. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #25

UCMJ kurtcagle Sep 2018 #31

agreed, and following orders isn't legally required in the white house the way it is in the military unblock Sep 2018 #36

For the trump base Turbineguy Sep 2018 #35

and the "rule of law" is just something to impose on democrats/people of color.... unblock Sep 2018 #37

I posited that bigtree Sep 2018 #43

Where in the constitution does it say everyone must immediately, unhesitantly and without Farmer-Rick Sep 2018 #48

nowhere. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #63

In a Fascist World, Perhaps dlk Sep 2018 #59

Sounds like a reason to not watch cnbc standingtall Sep 2018 #69

unfortunately, it's on all day at my job. unblock Sep 2018 #70

The President is not a king. Adrahil Sep 2018 #71

Actually they are not in the military either for the mos part. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #78

This whole thing is unconstitutional. ck4829 Sep 2018 #75

Maybe if they simply bellowed "you lie" they would warm the hearts of these fascists. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2018 #76